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And again, I asked you if you have the ability and right to go into where you work and conduct a personal protest... do you?. Because I don't and I do not think anyone on this site does as well.
The " game" is their place of employment.. is it not? That is where they work. They don't own the stadium,so they don't have a right to use it as their personal soap box. And they do not have a right to use what is not theirs without the consent of the people who own it, which for the most part is the team owners. So again, every person has the right to protest.. nobody is denying that.. nobody. Protest all you want. on your own time and dime. And nobody has right to force you to watch their protest when they do not want to. I don't know about you, but if I was having a Bar B Que with a bunch of people.. just relaxing and having a good time and one decided to whip out a banner about saving the whales.. I would say to him: A) who the hell do you think you are disrupting my Bar B Que B) get out of my yard C) do it in your own yard. |
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There are 32 teams in the NFL. Yes, Cleveland and Detroit do still count, even if they are the only 2 teams to go perfect.  Ray Rice was a Running Back, not a Linebacker. The Linebacker was Ray Lewis. |
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And again, I asked you if you have the ability and right to go into where you work and conduct a personal protest. I gave a satisfactory answer to this question. It's a complicated issue with legal opinions on both sides. |
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And again, I asked you if you have the ability and right to go into where you work and conduct a personal protest. I gave a satisfactory answer to this question. It's a complicated issue with legal opinions on both sides. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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And again, I asked you if you have the ability and right to go into where you work and conduct a personal protest... do you?. Because I don't and I do not think anyone on this site does as well. The " game" is their place of employment.. is it not? That is where they work. They don't own the stadium,so they don't have a right to use it as their personal soap box. And they do not have a right to use what is not theirs without the consent of the people who own it, which for the most part is the team owners. So again, every person has the right to protest.. nobody is denying that.. nobody. Protest all you want. on your own time and dime. And nobody has right to force you to watch their protest when they do not want to. I don't know about you, but if I was having a Bar B Que with a bunch of people.. just relaxing and having a good time and one decided to whip out a banner about saving the whales.. I would say to him: A) who the hell do you think you are disrupting my Bar B Que B) get out of my yard C) do it in your own yard. no work I have ever had was able to mandate that I stand for a show of patriotism before my day starts ... why should anyone have the right to 'force you' to do that? what has that to do with playing sports or any other job? Its a commercial that employees are forced to participate in. it doesnt truly belong as a mandatory activity. if fans want to do it, let them. if players want to, let them. But it should NEVER be mandatory. Patriotism is not truly patriotism when it becomes mandated how one must show it. |
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And again, I asked you if you have the ability and right to go into where you work and conduct a personal protest... do you?. Because I don't and I do not think anyone on this site does as well. The " game" is their place of employment.. is it not? That is where they work. They don't own the stadium,so they don't have a right to use it as their personal soap box. And they do not have a right to use what is not theirs without the consent of the people who own it, which for the most part is the team owners. So again, every person has the right to protest.. nobody is denying that.. nobody. Protest all you want. on your own time and dime. And nobody has right to force you to watch their protest when they do not want to. I don't know about you, but if I was having a Bar B Que with a bunch of people.. just relaxing and having a good time and one decided to whip out a banner about saving the whales.. I would say to him: A) who the hell do you think you are disrupting my Bar B Que B) get out of my yard C) do it in your own yard. no work I have ever had was able to mandate that I stand for a show of patriotism before my day starts ... why should anyone have the right to 'force you' to do that? what has that to do with playing sports or any other job? Its a commercial that employees are forced to participate in. it doesnt truly belong as a mandatory activity. if fans want to do it, let them. if players want to, let them. But it should NEVER be mandatory. Patriotism is not truly patriotism when it becomes mandated how one must show it. Yet you were a military wife for a number of years. Tell me did you or your husband take a knee or protest then? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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And again, I asked you if you have the ability and right to go into where you work and conduct a personal protest... do you?. Because I don't and I do not think anyone on this site does as well. The " game" is their place of employment.. is it not? That is where they work. They don't own the stadium,so they don't have a right to use it as their personal soap box. And they do not have a right to use what is not theirs without the consent of the people who own it, which for the most part is the team owners. So again, every person has the right to protest.. nobody is denying that.. nobody. Protest all you want. on your own time and dime. And nobody has right to force you to watch their protest when they do not want to. I don't know about you, but if I was having a Bar B Que with a bunch of people.. just relaxing and having a good time and one decided to whip out a banner about saving the whales.. I would say to him: A) who the hell do you think you are disrupting my Bar B Que B) get out of my yard C) do it in your own yard. no work I have ever had was able to mandate that I stand for a show of patriotism before my day starts ... why should anyone have the right to 'force you' to do that? what has that to do with playing sports or any other job? Its a commercial that employees are forced to participate in. it doesnt truly belong as a mandatory activity. if fans want to do it, let them. if players want to, let them. But it should NEVER be mandatory. Patriotism is not truly patriotism when it becomes mandated how one must show it. Yet you were a military wife for a number of years. Tell me did you or your husband take a knee or protest then? my husband was A) in the military B) paid by the military Athletes and other employees are not. the day the military signs the check for athletes, I will feel differently. If they signed it for me, I would too. although I still feel forced shows of patriotism are counter intuitive and missing the point. |
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And again, I asked you if you have the ability and right to go into where you work and conduct a personal protest. I gave a satisfactory answer to this question. It's a complicated issue with legal opinions on both sides. No, I don't think it was. I saw it as a non answer to a point blank question But I am curious.. you walk into work and start a personal protest on company time. You live I Pa. right?.. a right to work state. So, what exactly are your legal rights to do conduct personal protests at work. I mean if a pro or con abortion protester were to take that cause to the workplace would that be acceptable.. Would that person have a legal right to do that at work? |
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what job, besides manual labor, do you not have the right to sit quietly, regardless of the reason?
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what job, besides manual labor, do you not have the right to sit quietly, regardless of the reason? So now he just sat quietly?.. just for the hell of it?.. just sat in a manner not to bring attention to.. himself?... or did he kneel... in protest.. to bring attention.. to himself which one is it. I would love to see you go to where you work and take a knee during a company sponsored event.. to protest.. anything. You know what... you wouldn't.. you talk it.. but would never do it... cuase that paycheck is nice.. isn't it. |
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Edited by
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Well you want to piss off your boss. Disrupt business ..you get let go. Others in the industry ( and it is a industry) see what you did and they don't want you doing it while they are paying you. So you don't get hired Nothing new with that..business 101 My advice to him: Buy a Popeye's franchise before all your money is gone..which will be soon ..because either you owe one or in a year or so you will be working the drive thru window at one He'd done..out of the game too long and tainted..by his own doing Hope your personal protest was worth the unemployment, Colin You da man !! Lol not buying it. This man was not the only one to 'disrupt business'. how many of the others were cut out? I dont think the NFL any longer deserves Colin. I just want him to win the suit to send the message that certain types of retaliation against people's livelihoods for exercising free expression wont be tolerated. nothing worthwhile is ever achieved without sacrifice!!! and,SOMETIMES,SOME people are willing to place their values above their own personal gain! THOSE are the people who you know actually believe that what they are fighting for is the right thing,because they are willing to SACRIFICE something of value to try to make it happen. that is A LOT different than all of these people who CLAIM that they believe in something,but aren't willing to try to do anything that might cost them something to try to make it happen,except spout off a few cheap,and empty words. but,the people of integrity who are willing to SACRIFICE are the ones who actually change the world!!  but,it was for a cause that HE truly believes is worth it,because HE isn't small minded,and one dimensional,like SOME people are,who cant see past their own small world that they have imprisoned themselves in! [PLUS,he doesn't NEED a job to survive,since he was paid over $12 MILLION DOLLARS,JUST in 2016,not to mention over $50 MILLION DOLLARS MORE that HE WAS PAID off of the contract he signed in 2014,and has GIVEN AWAY MILLIONS of dollars out of his own pocket to charity,so..do you REALLY think that HE is the 'jobless loser' you are trying to pretend that he is??] [I wish I was a 'jobless loser' like him!!!] |
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And again, I asked you if you have the ability and right to go into where you work and conduct a personal protest... do you?. Because I don't and I do not think anyone on this site does as well. The " game" is their place of employment.. is it not? That is where they work. They don't own the stadium,so they don't have a right to use it as their personal soap box. And they do not have a right to use what is not theirs without the consent of the people who own it, which for the most part is the team owners. So again, every person has the right to protest.. nobody is denying that.. nobody. Protest all you want. on your own time and dime. And nobody has right to force you to watch their protest when they do not want to. I don't know about you, but if I was having a Bar B Que with a bunch of people.. just relaxing and having a good time and one decided to whip out a banner about saving the whales.. I would say to him: A) who the hell do you think you are disrupting my Bar B Que B) get out of my yard C) do it in your own yard. no work I have ever had was able to mandate that I stand for a show of patriotism before my day starts ... why should anyone have the right to 'force you' to do that? what has that to do with playing sports or any other job? Its a commercial that employees are forced to participate in. it doesnt truly belong as a mandatory activity. if fans want to do it, let them. if players want to, let them. But it should NEVER be mandatory. Patriotism is not truly patriotism when it becomes mandated how one must show it. Yet you were a military wife for a number of years. Tell me did you or your husband take a knee or protest then? my husband was A) in the military B) paid by the military Athletes and other employees are not. the day the military signs the check for athletes, I will feel differently. If they signed it for me, I would too. although I still feel forced shows of patriotism are counter intuitive and missing the point. Well, your husband was paid to be in the military... you were not. You were not a military employee.. just married to one. But you did attend many functions in that life where our national anthem was played did you protest then?.. take a knee or some other physical way.. like sit when everyone else stood?... Hmmm.. nah.. no you didn't.. not going to bite the hand that feeds you.. right? |
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Well you want to piss off your boss. Disrupt business ..you get let go. Others in the industry ( and it is a industry) see what you did and they don't want you doing it while they are paying you. So you don't get hired Nothing new with that..business 101 My advice to him: Buy a Popeye's franchise before all your money is gone..which will be soon ..because either you owe one or in a year or so you will be working the drive thru window at one He'd done..out of the game too long and tainted..by his own doing Hope your personal protest was worth the unemployment, Colin You da man !! Lol not buying it. This man was not the only one to 'disrupt business'. how many of the others were cut out? I dont think the NFL any longer deserves Colin. I just want him to win the suit to send the message that certain types of retaliation against people's livelihoods for exercising free expression wont be tolerated. nothing worthwhile is ever achieved without sacrifice!!! and,SOMETIMES,SOME people are willing to place their values above their own personal gain! THOSE are the people who you know actually believe that what they are fighting for is the right thing,because they are willing to SACRIFICE something of value to try to make it happen. that is A LOT different than all of these people who CLAIM that they believe in something,but aren't willing to try to do anything that might cost them something to try to make it happen,except spout off a few cheap,and empty words. but,the people of integrity who are willing to SACRIFICE are the ones who actually change the world!! but,it was for a cause that HE truly believes is worth it,because HE isn't small minded,and one dimensional,like SOME people are,who cant see past their own small world that they have imprisoned themselves in! [PLUS,he doesn't NEED a job to survive,since he was paid over $12 MILLION DOLLARS,JUST in 2016,not to mention over $50 MILLION DOLLARS MORE that HE WAS PAID off of the contract he signed in 2014,and has GIVEN AWAY MILLIONS of dollars out of his own pocket to charity,so..do you REALLY think that HE is the 'jobless loser' you are trying to pretend that he is??] [I wish I was a 'jobless loser' like him!!!] Colin Kaepernick recently bought a brand new Lamborghini luxury car for $450,000 _____________________________________________________________________ yes, yes, disrespect the country that allowed for you to have the opportunities you do. the voice of the downtrodden.... the hero of the less fortunate..... Lol. |
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Well you want to piss off your boss. Disrupt business ..you get let go. Others in the industry ( and it is a industry) see what you did and they don't want you doing it while they are paying you. So you don't get hired Nothing new with that..business 101 My advice to him: Buy a Popeye's franchise before all your money is gone..which will be soon ..because either you owe one or in a year or so you will be working the drive thru window at one He'd done..out of the game too long and tainted..by his own doing Hope your personal protest was worth the unemployment, Colin You da man !! Lol not buying it. This man was not the only one to 'disrupt business'. how many of the others were cut out? I dont think the NFL any longer deserves Colin. I just want him to win the suit to send the message that certain types of retaliation against people's livelihoods for exercising free expression wont be tolerated. nothing worthwhile is ever achieved without sacrifice!!! and,SOMETIMES,SOME people are willing to place their values above their own personal gain! THOSE are the people who you know actually believe that what they are fighting for is the right thing,because they are willing to SACRIFICE something of value to try to make it happen. that is A LOT different than all of these people who CLAIM that they believe in something,but aren't willing to try to do anything that might cost them something to try to make it happen,except spout off a few cheap,and empty words. but,the people of integrity who are willing to SACRIFICE are the ones who actually change the world!! but,it was for a cause that HE truly believes is worth it,because HE isn't small minded,and one dimensional,like SOME people are,who cant see past their own small world that they have imprisoned themselves in! [PLUS,he doesn't NEED a job to survive,since he was paid over $12 MILLION DOLLARS,JUST in 2016,not to mention over $50 MILLION DOLLARS MORE that HE WAS PAID off of the contract he signed in 2014,and has GIVEN AWAY MILLIONS of dollars out of his own pocket to charity,so..do you REALLY think that HE is the 'jobless loser' you are trying to pretend that he is??] [I wish I was a 'jobless loser' like him!!!] |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 09/01/18 12:05 PM
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Well you want to piss off your boss. Disrupt business ..you get let go. Others in the industry ( and it is a industry) see what you did and they don't want you doing it while they are paying you. So you don't get hired Nothing new with that..business 101 My advice to him: Buy a Popeye's franchise before all your money is gone..which will be soon ..because either you owe one or in a year or so you will be working the drive thru window at one He'd done..out of the game too long and tainted..by his own doing Hope your personal protest was worth the unemployment, Colin You da man !! Lol not buying it. This man was not the only one to 'disrupt business'. how many of the others were cut out? I dont think the NFL any longer deserves Colin. I just want him to win the suit to send the message that certain types of retaliation against people's livelihoods for exercising free expression wont be tolerated. nothing worthwhile is ever achieved without sacrifice!!! and,SOMETIMES,SOME people are willing to place their values above their own personal gain! THOSE are the people who you know actually believe that what they are fighting for is the right thing,because they are willing to SACRIFICE something of value to try to make it happen. that is A LOT different than all of these people who CLAIM that they believe in something,but aren't willing to try to do anything that might cost them something to try to make it happen,except spout off a few cheap,and empty words. but,the people of integrity who are willing to SACRIFICE are the ones who actually change the world!! but,it was for a cause that HE truly believes is worth it,because HE isn't small minded,and one dimensional,like SOME people are,who cant see past their own small world that they have imprisoned themselves in! [PLUS,he doesn't NEED a job to survive,since he was paid over $12 MILLION DOLLARS,JUST in 2016,not to mention over $50 MILLION DOLLARS MORE that HE WAS PAID off of the contract he signed in 2014,and has GIVEN AWAY MILLIONS of dollars out of his own pocket to charity,so..do you REALLY think that HE is the 'jobless loser' you are trying to pretend that he is??] [I wish I was a 'jobless loser' like him!!!] Colin Kaepernick recently bought a brand new Lamborghini luxury car for $450,000 _____________________________________________________________________ yes, yes, disrespect the country that allowed for you to have the opportunities you do. the voice of the downtrodden.... the hero of the less fortunate..... Lol. so all that matters is what the country 'allows' you to do, in spite of what it may do to others? interesting. is it 'disrespect' then when certain people at the top feel they should get tax breaks instead of investing in the country that 'allowed' them their wealth? |
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Well you want to piss off your boss. Disrupt business ..you get let go. Others in the industry ( and it is a industry) see what you did and they don't want you doing it while they are paying you. So you don't get hired Nothing new with that..business 101 My advice to him: Buy a Popeye's franchise before all your money is gone..which will be soon ..because either you owe one or in a year or so you will be working the drive thru window at one He'd done..out of the game too long and tainted..by his own doing Hope your personal protest was worth the unemployment, Colin You da man !! Lol not buying it. This man was not the only one to 'disrupt business'. how many of the others were cut out? I dont think the NFL any longer deserves Colin. I just want him to win the suit to send the message that certain types of retaliation against people's livelihoods for exercising free expression wont be tolerated. nothing worthwhile is ever achieved without sacrifice!!! and,SOMETIMES,SOME people are willing to place their values above their own personal gain! THOSE are the people who you know actually believe that what they are fighting for is the right thing,because they are willing to SACRIFICE something of value to try to make it happen. that is A LOT different than all of these people who CLAIM that they believe in something,but aren't willing to try to do anything that might cost them something to try to make it happen,except spout off a few cheap,and empty words. but,the people of integrity who are willing to SACRIFICE are the ones who actually change the world!! but,it was for a cause that HE truly believes is worth it,because HE isn't small minded,and one dimensional,like SOME people are,who cant see past their own small world that they have imprisoned themselves in! [PLUS,he doesn't NEED a job to survive,since he was paid over $12 MILLION DOLLARS,JUST in 2016,not to mention over $50 MILLION DOLLARS MORE that HE WAS PAID off of the contract he signed in 2014,and has GIVEN AWAY MILLIONS of dollars out of his own pocket to charity,so..do you REALLY think that HE is the 'jobless loser' you are trying to pretend that he is??] [I wish I was a 'jobless loser' like him!!!] Well,WHO decided what the 'proper' 'time and place' was for him to make a stand for what he believed in??? seems like the ONLY person who can make that decision for Colin Kaepernick IS Colin Kaepernick,since HE is the one who made it,and was willing to sacrifice his career for it,because HE believed it was the right thing to do! SOME people might not agree with him,but it is not THEIR call to make,since it was HIS career! |
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What I find tricky and confusing about the issue of collusion, is the fact that the NFL is a private club, not a publicly held company, and not a government operation. The rules and laws regulating what private clubs can do, are different from the ones for companies and for government functions.
It's obvious to me, that the NFL owners "collude" with each other almost constantly, in one way and another. They get together as a group, and set up the rules for how the game is played, what players can do on the field, they even set standards of personal behavior for the players (though not for each other, amusingly enough). They are said to be discussing, and may have already decided to make it a formal rule, that everyone has to pretend to be happy to stand and honor the singing of the National Anthem before every game. I personally disapprove of that, because I think it is an insult to the anthem and to patriotism, to turn it into a showmanship routine like that. Personally, I don't think there is any indication that his being "black" has anything to do with his being ignored by almost every team, and not being offered a starting job with any of them. And last I heard, he and his lawyers are not making such a claim. I'll be interested in the out come of the trial. The NFL has a long history of playing legal games with fans, players, and with it's own claimed status as part of an entertainment industry. Holding players to a certain standard when it comes to just-for-show patriotism is just one of the squirrely things about them. |
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The NFL wouldn't be going through this if kaep was white. Do you deny it? A white man can be fired when his work performance isn't up to standard but blacks play the race card. We will know when it happens. Kaepernick was ranked 29 out of the top 100 quarterbacks. Which of the 70 qbs ranking below Kaepernick in 2016 were let go after ? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/passing.htm 32, and each has 2 to 4 quarterbacks http://www.nfl.com/teams |
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Edited by
msharmony
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What I find tricky and confusing about the issue of collusion, is the fact that the NFL is a private club, not a publicly held company, and not a government operation. The rules and laws regulating what private clubs can do, are different from the ones for companies and for government functions. It's obvious to me, that the NFL owners "collude" with each other almost constantly, in one way and another. They get together as a group, and set up the rules for how the game is played, what players can do on the field, they even set standards of personal behavior for the players (though not for each other, amusingly enough). They are said to be discussing, and may have already decided to make it a formal rule, that everyone has to pretend to be happy to stand and honor the singing of the National Anthem before every game. I personally disapprove of that, because I think it is an insult to the anthem and to patriotism, to turn it into a showmanship routine like that. Personally, I don't think there is any indication that his being "black" has anything to do with his being ignored by almost every team, and not being offered a starting job with any of them. And last I heard, he and his lawyers are not making such a claim. I'll be interested in the out come of the trial. The NFL has a long history of playing legal games with fans, players, and with it's own claimed status as part of an entertainment industry. Holding players to a certain standard when it comes to just-for-show patriotism is just one of the squirrely things about them. While I agree with what you say. I would add an opinion to it. The NFL is mostly a business, and being such, they do operate on 'pleasing the fans' so to speak. I feel Trumps interjection into the matter blew it up more than need be and put pressure on them to act where they may not have otherwise. I also feel peoples selective disapproval of his actions was more about what he protested than THAT he protested. I dont feel the same result would have come if he had said he knelt quietly to protest the treatment of vets in this country. He probably would have gotten an award, in fact, and people would scream how patriotic he was. and even if he had ever served, people would not question him about why he should protest considering how well HE had done in life. I really think that the issue of whether he protested is a smokescreen to cloud the disapproval of WHY he protested ... IMHO. |
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Well you want to piss off your boss. Disrupt business ..you get let go. Others in the industry ( and it is a industry) see what you did and they don't want you doing it while they are paying you. So you don't get hired Nothing new with that..business 101 My advice to him: Buy a Popeye's franchise before all your money is gone..which will be soon ..because either you owe one or in a year or so you will be working the drive thru window at one He'd done..out of the game too long and tainted..by his own doing Hope your personal protest was worth the unemployment, Colin You da man !! Lol not buying it. This man was not the only one to 'disrupt business'. how many of the others were cut out? I dont think the NFL any longer deserves Colin. I just want him to win the suit to send the message that certain types of retaliation against people's livelihoods for exercising free expression wont be tolerated. nothing worthwhile is ever achieved without sacrifice!!! and,SOMETIMES,SOME people are willing to place their values above their own personal gain! THOSE are the people who you know actually believe that what they are fighting for is the right thing,because they are willing to SACRIFICE something of value to try to make it happen. that is A LOT different than all of these people who CLAIM that they believe in something,but aren't willing to try to do anything that might cost them something to try to make it happen,except spout off a few cheap,and empty words. but,the people of integrity who are willing to SACRIFICE are the ones who actually change the world!! but,it was for a cause that HE truly believes is worth it,because HE isn't small minded,and one dimensional,like SOME people are,who cant see past their own small world that they have imprisoned themselves in! [PLUS,he doesn't NEED a job to survive,since he was paid over $12 MILLION DOLLARS,JUST in 2016,not to mention over $50 MILLION DOLLARS MORE that HE WAS PAID off of the contract he signed in 2014,and has GIVEN AWAY MILLIONS of dollars out of his own pocket to charity,so..do you REALLY think that HE is the 'jobless loser' you are trying to pretend that he is??] [I wish I was a 'jobless loser' like him!!!] Well,WHO decided what the 'proper' 'time and place' was for him to make a stand for what he believed in??? seems like the ONLY person who can make that decision for Colin Kaepernick IS Colin Kaepernick,since HE is the one who made it,and was willing to sacrifice his career for it,because HE believed it was the right thing to do! SOME people might not agree with him,but it is not THEIR call to make,since it was HIS career! |
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