Topic: Check your sources
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Mon 10/10/22 11:07 AM
Edited by Mark on Mon 10/10/22 11:16 AM
I often mention Plato's allegory, for good reason.

Always use critical thinking regarding the source of your knowledge.

I frequent numerous economic and political blogs online to gauge the heartbeat of stock markets and the economy.

(Usually as contrarian indicators, bloggers often have an interest in influencing for pay, talking up or down a certain sector, bitcoin, penny stock pumping...etc)

There are a handful of sites that have consistently provoked political divides within America for a decade, or use ridiculous conspiracy theories to invoke public outcry.

On one site, back in 2012 or so, I was lambasted for speaking against Russia's invasion of Georgia by posters claiming to be American, the opinions were overwhelmingly pro-Russian.

At the time, I concluded this site had to have ties to Russia - the "Americans" there were far too pro-Russian.

Finally, this year, this site was labelled a potential Russian propaganda site by the U.S. government.

I'm posting this today because that site and others are currently ablaze with "Americans" saying that the schools, churches and hospitals in Ukraine were bombed for "hiding weapons", or Zelenskyy was placed by the CIA, or that "the west has done far worse, therefore it's ok for Putin to bomb Ukraine".

Foreign governments have the ability to capitalize on our 1rst amendment, they can hire 3rd parties to swamp us in disinformation that eventually leads to turmoil and counterproductive actions.

These sites are using our legitimate gripes against our government, then using that anger to invoke outrage and public opinion to their benefit.

All I can tell you is "consider the source", if you don't personally know the source is a real American, be open to the possibility they have an agenda against the U.S.

That does not mean your opinions are wrong, only that these sites will try to align you by appealing to your opinion, and feed rage with disinformation.

Russia's intelligence is working overtime right now to disinform, what they lack in military strength, they're trying to make up for elsewhere.





Mr Good Guy's photo
Mon 10/10/22 11:33 AM

I often mention Plato's allegory, for good reason.

Always use critical thinking regarding the source of your knowledge.

I frequent numerous economic and political blogs online to gauge the heartbeat of stock markets and the economy.

(Usually as contrarian indicators, bloggers often have an interest in influencing for pay, talking up or down a certain sector, bitcoin, penny stock pumping...etc)

There are a handful of sites that have consistently provoked political divides within America for a decade, or use ridiculous conspiracy theories to invoke public outcry.

On one site, back in 2012 or so, I was lambasted for speaking against Russia's invasion of Georgia by posters claiming to be American, the opinions were overwhelmingly pro-Russian.

At the time, I concluded this site had to have ties to Russia - the "Americans" there were far too pro-Russian.

Finally, this year, this site was labelled a potential Russian propaganda site by the U.S. government.

I'm posting this today because that site and others are currently ablaze with "Americans" saying that the schools, churches and hospitals in Ukraine were bombed for "hiding weapons", or Zelenskyy was placed by the CIA, or that "the west has done far worse, therefore it's ok for Putin to bomb Ukraine".

Foreign governments have the ability to capitalize on our 1rst amendment, they can hire 3rd parties to swamp us in disinformation that eventually leads to turmoil and counterproductive actions.

These sites are using our legitimate gripes against our government, then using that anger to invoke outrage and public opinion to their benefit.

All I can tell you is "consider the source", if you don't personally know the source is a real American, be open to the possibility they have an agenda against the U.S.

That does not mean your opinions are wrong, only that these sites will try to align you by appealing to your opinion, and feed rage with disinformation.

Russia's intelligence is working overtime right now to disinform, what they lack in military strength, they're trying to make up for elsewhere.



So after all that, what sources do YOU find credible?


Mark's photo
Mon 10/10/22 11:42 AM
Edited by Mark on Mon 10/10/22 11:44 AM



So after all that, what sources do YOU find credible?



I parse American sources, while CNN, NBC, ABC, Reuters, AP, and Fox may have their own spin, they're not going to promote propaganda, or lie.

Each has been, and occasionally does get forced to retract inaccurate stories, this proves, at least enough to me, that they cannot lie.

This, I believe is why Russian intelligence has been pummeling U.S. social media with the premise of "fakes news" or "deep state", to get us to distrust our own media and listen to Russian state media instead.

I DO NOT blindly trust my government, but I'm not going to let that distrust become a tool for a foreign adversary to turn me against America.




Bart's photo
Mon 10/10/22 12:06 PM

I often mention Plato's allegory, for good reason.

Always use critical thinking regarding the source of your knowledge.

I frequent numerous economic and political blogs online to gauge the heartbeat of stock markets and the economy.

(Usually as contrarian indicators, bloggers often have an interest in influencing for pay, talking up or down a certain sector, bitcoin, penny stock pumping...etc)

There are a handful of sites that have consistently provoked political divides within America for a decade, or use ridiculous conspiracy theories to invoke public outcry.

On one site, back in 2012 or so, I was lambasted for speaking against Russia's invasion of Georgia by posters claiming to be American, the opinions were overwhelmingly pro-Russian.

At the time, I concluded this site had to have ties to Russia - the "Americans" there were far too pro-Russian.

Finally, this year, this site was labelled a potential Russian propaganda site by the U.S. government.

I'm posting this today because that site and others are currently ablaze with "Americans" saying that the schools, churches and hospitals in Ukraine were bombed for "hiding weapons", or Zelenskyy was placed by the CIA, or that "the west has done far worse, therefore it's ok for Putin to bomb Ukraine".

Foreign governments have the ability to capitalize on our 1rst amendment, they can hire 3rd parties to swamp us in disinformation that eventually leads to turmoil and counterproductive actions.

These sites are using our legitimate gripes against our government, then using that anger to invoke outrage and public opinion to their benefit.

All I can tell you is "consider the source", if you don't personally know the source is a real American, be open to the possibility they have an agenda against the U.S.

That does not mean your opinions are wrong, only that these sites will try to align you by appealing to your opinion, and feed rage with disinformation.

Russia's intelligence is working overtime right now to disinform, what they lack in military strength, they're trying to make up for elsewhere.






You are right that Russia tries to pry in our elections and politics with all sorts of fake info to confuse the media and private citizens. This is nothing new and certainly not contained to Russia only. The U.S is guilty of interfering in others elections for the same reasons. It seems that some automatically believe that it’s got to be Russian disinformation if something negative arises and diminishes their argument or goes against their beliefs. Remember the 2 plus years the dems the media and the FBI used the false narrative of Russian disinformation to spy on the President. So I put no faith in any entity that tries to persuade me into believing something I don’t find feasible…. And I challenge anybody to dispute my posts as Russian disinformation!
I may get some details wrong but I don’t post anything I no to be false or disinformation. The democrats did that for 4 years of Trump and they still do to this day.

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Mon 10/10/22 12:16 PM
People tend to believe what they want to believe. And they look for "sources" that confirm their beliefs. They also tend to label "sources" that go against what they already believe as false.

Mark's photo
Mon 10/10/22 12:26 PM

You are right that Russia tries to pry in our elections and politics with all sorts of fake info to confuse the media and private citizens. This is nothing new and certainly not contained to Russia only. The U.S is guilty of interfering in others elections for the same reasons. It seems that some automatically believe that it’s got to be Russian disinformation if something negative arises and diminishes their argument or goes against their beliefs. Remember the 2 plus years the dems the media and the FBI used the false narrative of Russian disinformation to spy on the President. So I put no faith in any entity that tries to persuade me into believing something I don’t find feasible…. And I challenge anybody to dispute my posts as Russian disinformation!
I may get some details wrong but I don’t post anything I no to be false or disinformation. The democrats did that for 4 years of Trump and they still do to this day.


America has a long history of shadow governance, like Pinochet in Chile, or The Shah in Iran.

Our "WMD" scandal under Bush in Iraq was devastating to our global credibility as well.

But, that doesn't mean we're required to sit back as Russia tries doing it to us.

Yes, politicians and political parties use "Oppo" research to dig up dirt.

This is why Biden's son may face charges, and that's a good thing.

This is why the DOJ should continue and finish it's investigation of Trump, for the same reason they were allowed to investigate Hunter Biden.

That said, I'm just happy you at least know Russia is currently working public opinion via social sites on Ukraine.

I also think "Qanon", "Pizzagate" and Jan 6th were at least partially instigated by Russia.

I may not like the Clintons, but geez, cannibalistic pedophiles?...Seriously?


Mark's photo
Mon 10/10/22 12:31 PM

People tend to believe what they want to believe. And they look for "sources" that confirm their beliefs. They also tend to label "sources" that go against what they already believe as false.


True, that's Plato's allegory, it specifically states that once a person is shown his sources, "shadows", aren't accurate, he revolts in angry disbelief and will want to return to the "cave" and continuing ingesting disinformation.


Bart's photo
Mon 10/10/22 12:57 PM
Edited by Bart on Mon 10/10/22 01:00 PM


You are right that Russia tries to pry in our elections and politics with all sorts of fake info to confuse the media and private citizens. This is nothing new and certainly not contained to Russia only. The U.S is guilty of interfering in others elections for the same reasons. It seems that some automatically believe that it’s got to be Russian disinformation if something negative arises and diminishes their argument or goes against their beliefs. Remember the 2 plus years the dems the media and the FBI used the false narrative of Russian disinformation to spy on the President. So I put no faith in any entity that tries to persuade me into believing something I don’t find feasible…. And I challenge anybody to dispute my posts as Russian disinformation!
I may get some details wrong but I don’t post anything I no to be false or disinformation. The democrats did that for 4 years of Trump and they still do to this day.


America has a long history of shadow governance, like Pinochet in Chile, or The Shah in Iran.

Our "WMD" scandal under Bush in Iraq was devastating to our global credibility as well.

But, that doesn't mean we're required to sit back as Russia tries doing it to us.

Yes, politicians and political parties use "Oppo" research to dig up dirt.

This is why Biden's son may face charges, and that's a good thing.

This is why the DOJ should continue and finish it's investigation of Trump, for the same reason they were allowed to investigate Hunter Biden.

That said, I'm just happy you at least know Russia is currently working public opinion via social sites on . .

I may not like the Clintons, but geez, cannibalistic pedophiles?...Seriously?


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I never believed that pizzagate crap to begin with , although the plane flights by bill and that p.o.s. child molester seem to have some truth to it….And I hope they don’t stop short on the hunter Biden investigation , and follow it to the end no matter who is implicated. There seems to be plenty more than lying on a gun application and not reporting income on taxes…I don’t agree that the WMD situation was a scandal, Saddam had those weapons at one time , wether he hid them or moved them to Syria or somewhere else but no matter what he had , with the massive numbers of his own people he killed that in its self was a WMD and we were right to invade.

Mark's photo
Mon 10/10/22 01:08 PM
Edited by Mark on Mon 10/10/22 01:12 PM

I never believed that pizzagate crap to begin with , although the plane flights by bill and that p.o.s. child molester seem to have some truth to it. And I hope they don’t stop short on the hunter Biden investigation , and follow it to the end no matter who is implicated. There seems to be plenty more than lying on a gun application and not reporting income on taxes. I don’t agree that the WMD situation was a scandal, Saddam had those weapons at one time , wether he hid them or moved them to Syria or somewhere else but no matter what he had with the massive numbers of his own people he killed that in its self was a WMD and we were right to invade.


On Saddam, he got what he deserved, no debate.

Though I don't think we should have invaded, we'll never agree on that, which is fine, end result is Saddam gone.

The problem now is that Russian influencers & trolls are trying to use our invasion of Iraq to sway consensus in America.

America has done wrong, no question, but there is no possible way a foreign dictator will convince me that rationalizes their doing the same to us.

Also, Eastern Ukraine is a major producer of grain, oil and economics in general, this is a play on control of the global economy for Putin, who's country's economy is diminishing.

Just take a glance at a ten+ year chart of the RSX to see what a kleptocratic oligarchy has done to their market.

He displayed this control back in 2020 when he flooded the oil market to suppress prices in an attempt to bankrupt American refiners.

Putin's smart, he's playing a good chess game despite not having all the pieces his opponents have.

Attempting to manipulate American voters' opinions is a brilliant move, and if it works he gains huge leverage over global energy and grain prices.






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Mon 10/10/22 02:14 PM


I never believed that pizzagate crap to begin with , although the plane flights by bill and that p.o.s. child molester seem to have some truth to it. And I hope they don’t stop short on the hunter Biden investigation , and follow it to the end no matter who is implicated. There seems to be plenty more than lying on a gun application and not reporting income on taxes. I don’t agree that the WMD situation was a scandal, Saddam had those weapons at one time , wether he hid them or moved them to Syria or somewhere else but no matter what he had with the massive numbers of his own people he killed that in its self was a WMD and we were right to invade.


On Saddam, he got what he deserved, no debate.

Though I don't think we should have invaded, we'll never agree on that, which is fine, end result is Saddam gone.

The problem now is that Russian influencers & trolls are trying to use our invasion of Iraq to sway consensus in America.

America has done wrong, no question, but there is no possible way a foreign dictator will convince me that rationalizes their doing the same to us.

Also, Eastern Ukraine is a major producer of grain, oil and economics in general, this is a play on control of the global economy for Putin, who's country's economy is diminishing.

Just take a glance at a ten+ year chart of the RSX to see what a kleptocratic oligarchy has done to their market.

He displayed this control back in 2020 when he flooded the oil market to suppress prices in an attempt to bankrupt American refiners.

Putin's smart, he's playing a good chess game despite not having all the pieces his opponents have.

Attempting to manipulate American voters' opinions is a brilliant move, and if it works he gains huge leverage over global energy and grain prices.







I know you won’t like my next statement. But because of what you describe is why we need someone like Trump to deal with Putin. I believe Putin was afraid to push Trump , not having a clue what may be the response. I don’t think Biden has what it takes to instill fear and doubt in Putin . All that said I think it’s just a matter of time before Russian citizens get tired of the tyranny that rules their lives and overthrow Putin.

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Mon 10/10/22 02:36 PM
Edited by Mark on Mon 10/10/22 02:40 PM
Trump in 2024 almost guarantees a Biden win, while he has the appearance of strength, he also ostracized too many moderates and women by catering to one sect of Conservatives.

He also expressed a lot of ambiguity towards Putin in his "President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," statement, as well as a perceived attempt to coerce Zelensky in favor of Russia.

Biden does appear weak, old, but to be honest, his Ukraine response has been a big surprise, he hasn't budged, and he's been unafraid to ignore Putin's saber rattling/nuclear threats.

I have serious concerns for the "Putin puppet" accusations with Trump, including what he's done with the Mar A Lago docs.

To moderates, Trump appeared inexperienced and over confident, while at the same time too stubborn to listen to experienced advisors, many whom were fired as a result.

That same approach has him a long history of bankrupt businesses and investors.

If you truly want a GOP president, Romney's the ace up the GOP sleeve, he was, afterall, the one to warn us about Russia in 2012.

I will not vote for Trump, there were too many mishaps under his discretion, too many instances of uncouth open speech in situations that required diplomacy.

He makes his own rules, which is fine for private business, not for leader of the free world.





Bart's photo
Mon 10/10/22 02:57 PM
Edited by Bart on Mon 10/10/22 03:03 PM

Trump in 2024 almost guarantees a Biden win, while he has the appearance of strength, he also ostracized too many moderates and women by catering to one sect of Conservatives.

He also expressed a lot of ambiguity towards Putin in his "President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," statement, as well as a perceived attempt to coerce Zelensky in favor of Russia.

I have serious concerns for the "puppet" accusations, including what he's done with the Mar A Lago docs.

To moderates, Trump appeared inexperienced and over confident, while at the same time too stubborn to listen to experienced advisors, many whom were fired as a result.

That same approach has him a long history of bankrupt businesses and investors.

If you truly want a GOP president, Romney's the ace up the GOP sleeve, he was, afterall, the one to warn us about Russia in 2012.

I will not vote for Trump, there were too many mishaps under his discretion, too many instances of uncouth open speech in situations that required diplomacy.

He makes his own rules, which is fine for private business, not for leader of the free world.






Not Romney , he’s another RINO . DeSantis would be my choice as of now if he decides to run… while Trump may have been new to politics , he wasn’t new to business and I think because of those two things was why he was able to create the success our economy had, record low unemployment among all demographics and races. Low gas prices with energy independence while exporting to our Allie’s. Keeping them from depending on Russian oil. Peace accords in the Middle East. What was not to like. Than came the pandemic and all went to hell… now we seem to have a hard time coming back to the pre pandemic years. Despite all the moderates he pissed off, and he did that unnecessarily, most folks ( in all financial classes) had it much better than they had in years ,

Mark's photo
Mon 10/10/22 03:43 PM
Edited by Mark on Mon 10/10/22 04:15 PM
Very little of what a president controls has any bearing on the economy.

It's usually the Fed, by design the Fed doesn't answer to government for that reason.

Russians are using energy prices to say "Trump wouldn't have let this happen", which is true, but then, Ukraine would now be a part of Russia, maybe they'd be into Poland, Finland or Germany by now.

Oil & gas prices have been plummeting in recent months as capitalist Darwinism works its magic and we find alternative sources in spite of OPEC.

For America, LNG exports have increased 1000%, tenfold, as a result, we're supplying the EU now instead of Russia, a huge gain for our economy.

America now produces 2/3 of it's oil consumption, and that ratio is rapidly improving, which is why Biden's considering a stall to oil exports.

The good news is that we're evolving more to Nat gas and we have the world's largest reserves of natural gas.

Oil is becoming the new coal, OPEC and Russia know this, OPEC is pinching supply to counter, Putin is trying to go the Genghis Khan route to conquer territories with more natural resources.

I'm actually worried about Kazakhstan for this reason.