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Again, God asked no one to "kill" anyone or anything. And God would not ask me to do anything of such. We no longer are to sacrifice anything to please God, what are you talking about? Jesus done made the most gloriuos sacrifice that could possibly be given, the most pure sacrifice. Cowboy...if God asked Abraham to kill his child...then who are you to dictate what God wouldn't ask you...besides you already stated that you would "Absolutely" kill your child if God asked .... you once tried to argue that it's ok for Christians to go to the doctor instead of waiting for God to heal them ....so here's the question THE QUESTION if you heard a voice you believe was God that asked you to kill your child 1....would you go to the doctor 2....would you kill your child Ah, but God didn't ask Abraham to kill anyone. Killing is taking of one's life. You know not if his child died, death only occurs when one doesn't receive the gift of eternal life. Cowboy...you already stated that you would kill if asked ...so we are beyond that... the question was if you heard a voice that you believed was God that asked you to kill your chilld would you go to the doctor would you kill the child Again, nobody asked anyone to kill anyone. Cowboy...denial is a river in Eqypt ... but anyway I've conjured up another question that believers are forbidden to answer ...probably have to start a thread Not, denying anything. A judgement is not "killing". And God wasn't truly asking Abraham to kill his child, was only testing his obedience. God didn't truly want him to sacrifice the child, if he would have wanted that, he wouldn't have stopped it. Again,What Loving God would put His Children through something like that? Abraham did NOT know it was a Test! To him it was as real as anything! |
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God tested Abraham and told him to "sacrifice" his son, but he did not tell him to "kill" his son. Two totally different things. Cowboy...enough of the word games...especially since you've already admitted that you would "Absolutely" kill murder sacrifice your child if asked by God my point is that you make yourself sound like a child murderer that used religion to mask the true horrors floating around in your mind FOR EXAMPLE: you admitted to disobeying God many times...but yet when it comes to killing your child you posted that you would "absolutely" kill your child ...wow "absolutely" kill ?...without question? I once posted that going to the doctor is a lack of faith because believers should have faith that God will heal them...but yet you posted that it's ok for believers to go to the doctor but yet when it comes to hearing voices that you believe to be God commanding you to kill your child....you would "absolutely" kill the child instead of going to the doctor take a lesson from Creflo...if you can't control yourself then beat your child with a shoe....if your blood lust run deeper then a shoe then opt to use a steel toed combat boot ... but to claim that you would "absolutely" kill your child....is an indication of some other mental issues that need to be addressed |
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msharmony
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Sat 06/16/12 09:11 AM
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I have never been beaten, time outs also didnt work for me or my siblings because we actually had quite the imagination and time to ourself was never a deterrent to much of anything grounding worked for my brothers, who were very active in sports and hated to miss it did not work for me, because I wasnt into sports, and preferred using my brain and having peace and quiet to anything material ,,so, like I said, discipline works in BALANCE, and differently for every child for MILLIONS of children, spanking works, for others, time outs, or being 'grounded' so why are you advocating beating a child if you nor any of your siblings were beaten .....so what kind of child need to be beaten and at what age. ...newborn that cry to much....the terrible twos ...... I have had my BEHIND BEATEN, beating behinds I condone,,, proudly,,,, but not the typical imagery that is alluded to with the word 'beating' I had my behind BEATEN when I was old enough to know and understand english and instructions and warnings I can count on one hand how many I had, and deserved every one for the importance of the lesson needed,,,,my first was at four, and was no more than five to ten whacks on my butt if that but the notion of a one size fits all world with raising children is part of the problem,,,there is no 'set age',, each child is different, their intelligence, their understanding, their relation to their parents all factor in to when it is 'appropriate' discipline so if you had intelligence...then why couldn't you comprehend to act intelligently and mind your parents HAAAA well, I suppose thats why how many spankings I recieved can be counted on one hand I learn quickly,, always have  now looking back...could there have been anything your parents could have said to you instead of inflicting pain .... nope, nothing that would have worked as effectively FOR ME as I Said, being alone in my room or in a corner would never have deterred me during those younger years, because I enjoy myself and have a vivid imagination to keep me fulfilled,,, and nothing else would have highlighted the EXTREME significance of those few lessons I learned,, about CHOICES and about being TRUSTWORTHY,,, |
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So Msharmony, is it fair to say that you spank your kids because your parents spanked you?
They say that children copy their parents. |
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So Msharmony, is it fair to say that you spank your kids because your parents spanked you? They say that children copy their parents. not really, my parents also threw social gatherings, but I have no interest in that activity it would be safer to say I spank because I have seen that it WORKS,,,and I do what WORKS for me (and my family) |
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The scriptures on "discipline" are taken quite literally in the Baptist circle...
Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes diligently." Prov 19:18: "Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying." Prov 22:15: "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him." Prov 23:13: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die." Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame." |
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I been known to give women the rod and spank them
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I been known to give women the rod and spank them spankings arent a bad thing,,,lol, |
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God tested Abraham and told him to "sacrifice" his son, but he did not tell him to "kill" his son. Two totally different things. Cowboy...enough of the word games...especially since you've already admitted that you would "Absolutely" kill murder sacrifice your child if asked by God my point is that you make yourself sound like a child murderer that used religion to mask the true horrors floating around in your mind FOR EXAMPLE: you admitted to disobeying God many times...but yet when it comes to killing your child you posted that you would "absolutely" kill your child ...wow "absolutely" kill ?...without question? I once posted that going to the doctor is a lack of faith because believers should have faith that God will heal them...but yet you posted that it's ok for believers to go to the doctor but yet when it comes to hearing voices that you believe to be God commanding you to kill your child....you would "absolutely" kill the child instead of going to the doctor take a lesson from Creflo...if you can't control yourself then beat your child with a shoe....if your blood lust run deeper then a shoe then opt to use a steel toed combat boot ... but to claim that you would "absolutely" kill your child....is an indication of some other mental issues that need to be addressed Cowboy...enough of the word games...especially since you've already admitted that you would "Absolutely" kill murder sacrifice your child if asked by God No word games going on. Kill and murder are two different things. Murder is unlawfully taking someone's life. You can kill an animal and it not be murder. You can not kill a person and it not be murder, for it's against God's law and man's law at that. you admitted to disobeying God many times...but yet when it comes to killing your child you posted that you would "absolutely" kill your child ...wow "absolutely" kill ?...without question? The sins I have committed were "accidents and or mistakes". And again, nobody is killing anyone or anything. A sacrifice is not "killing" something, it would be giving it up to God. And again, God didn't truly want him to sacrifice his child. He was only testing Abraham. I can say I would sacrifice my child for God all I want, but it would never happen. 1. God wouldn't have you sacrifice a person, 2. We no longer have to sacrifice things in that nature to please God. I once posted that going to the doctor is a lack of faith because believers should have faith that God will heal them...but yet you posted that it's ok for believers to go to the doctor Going to the doctor isn't a lack of faith though. It's actually a display of faith. If you had a lack of faith in that area, you would just sit on your rump and not do anything about because you figured nothing could be done about it. God works through people Funches. He doesn't just show his face and do whatever it is that's being done. He gives people the ability to do those things, in this case would be a doctor. |
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I have never been beaten, time outs also didnt work for me or my siblings because we actually had quite the imagination and time to ourself was never a deterrent to much of anything grounding worked for my brothers, who were very active in sports and hated to miss it did not work for me, because I wasnt into sports, and preferred using my brain and having peace and quiet to anything material ,,so, like I said, discipline works in BALANCE, and differently for every child for MILLIONS of children, spanking works, for others, time outs, or being 'grounded' so why are you advocating beating a child if you nor any of your siblings were beaten .....so what kind of child need to be beaten and at what age. ...newborn that cry to much....the terrible twos ...... I have had my BEHIND BEATEN, beating behinds I condone,,, proudly,,,, but not the typical imagery that is alluded to with the word 'beating' I had my behind BEATEN when I was old enough to know and understand english and instructions and warnings I can count on one hand how many I had, and deserved every one for the importance of the lesson needed,,,,my first was at four, and was no more than five to ten whacks on my butt if that but the notion of a one size fits all world with raising children is part of the problem,,,there is no 'set age',, each child is different, their intelligence, their understanding, their relation to their parents all factor in to when it is 'appropriate' discipline so if you had intelligence...then why couldn't you comprehend to act intelligently and mind your parents HAAAA well, I suppose thats why how many spankings I recieved can be counted on one hand I learn quickly,, always have now looking back...could there have been anything your parents could have said to you instead of inflicting pain .... nope, nothing that would have worked as effectively FOR ME as I Said, being alone in my room or in a corner would never have deterred me during those younger years, because I enjoy myself and have a vivid imagination to keep me fulfilled,,, and nothing else would have highlighted the EXTREME significance of those few lessons I learned,, about CHOICES and about being TRUSTWORTHY,,, MsHarmony...you sound like the perfect child... perhaps your parents was spanking you for reasons related to them ....clearly there are children that get spanked due to no fault of their own if the religious believe that spanking is a good thing that makes you ponder if Mary also spanked Jesus Jesus didn't I tell you to stop turning water into wine, now I must pass judgement on you, so go break a switch off of that burning bush so that I can flog thee with ....no not that one...get the one that shaped like a cross forgive her Father for she knows not what she do ou ou ouchhhhhhhhhh father why have you forsaken me...ou ou ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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No word games going on. Kill and murder are two different things. Murder is unlawfully taking someone's life. You can kill an animal and it not be murder. You can not kill a person and it not be murder, for it's against God's law and man's law at that. right ...so if you heard a voice that you believe was God that asked you to murder your child ..you would murder your child instead of going to the doctor to make sure the voice was of God ... also if that animal you killed could talk like they did in the Garden of Eden...they probably scream that you have murdered them it's impossible to intentionally kill without murdering |
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I have never been beaten, time outs also didnt work for me or my siblings because we actually had quite the imagination and time to ourself was never a deterrent to much of anything grounding worked for my brothers, who were very active in sports and hated to miss it did not work for me, because I wasnt into sports, and preferred using my brain and having peace and quiet to anything material ,,so, like I said, discipline works in BALANCE, and differently for every child for MILLIONS of children, spanking works, for others, time outs, or being 'grounded' so why are you advocating beating a child if you nor any of your siblings were beaten .....so what kind of child need to be beaten and at what age. ...newborn that cry to much....the terrible twos ...... I have had my BEHIND BEATEN, beating behinds I condone,,, proudly,,,, but not the typical imagery that is alluded to with the word 'beating' I had my behind BEATEN when I was old enough to know and understand english and instructions and warnings I can count on one hand how many I had, and deserved every one for the importance of the lesson needed,,,,my first was at four, and was no more than five to ten whacks on my butt if that but the notion of a one size fits all world with raising children is part of the problem,,,there is no 'set age',, each child is different, their intelligence, their understanding, their relation to their parents all factor in to when it is 'appropriate' discipline so if you had intelligence...then why couldn't you comprehend to act intelligently and mind your parents HAAAA well, I suppose thats why how many spankings I recieved can be counted on one hand I learn quickly,, always have now looking back...could there have been anything your parents could have said to you instead of inflicting pain .... nope, nothing that would have worked as effectively FOR ME as I Said, being alone in my room or in a corner would never have deterred me during those younger years, because I enjoy myself and have a vivid imagination to keep me fulfilled,,, and nothing else would have highlighted the EXTREME significance of those few lessons I learned,, about CHOICES and about being TRUSTWORTHY,,, MsHarmony...you sound like the perfect child... perhaps your parents was spanking you for reasons related to them ....clearly there are children that get spanked due to no fault of their own if the religious believe that spanking is a good thing that makes you ponder if Mary also spanked Jesus Jesus didn't I tell you to stop turning water into wine, now I must pass judgement on you, so go break a switch off of that burning bush so that I can flog thee with ....no not that one...get the one that shaped like a cross forgive her Father for she knows not what she do ou ou ouchhhhhhhhhh father why have you forsaken me...ou ou ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhh perhaps she did , perhaps something else was effective for Jesus, perhaps Jesus didnt need it raising children is not the one size fits all process so many (usually childless) people think it is,,,, |
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Ok, enough of you guys hiding your feelings with this religious discussion. Just get into the good spanking talk now. You know you want to.
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Ok, enough of you guys hiding your feelings with this religious discussion. Just get into the good spanking talk now. You know you want to. lol I had some good ones,,lol,,,,,they have been effective teaching tools (accompanied by alot of explanation and positive encouragement as well) for my particular culture for generations,,, they are not for 'everyone' because not everyone has the same balance of other tools in their lives or their homes,,,and many respond to other forms of discipline better,,, |
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perhaps she did , perhaps something else was effective for Jesus, perhaps Jesus didnt need it raising children is not the one size fits all process so many (usually childless) people think it is,,,, that's the same as saying that those that have never been married don't understand why a husband should beat his wife or vise versa why would spanking children be any different than spousal abuse |
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perhaps she did , perhaps something else was effective for Jesus, perhaps Jesus didnt need it raising children is not the one size fits all process so many (usually childless) people think it is,,,, that's the same as saying that those that have never been married don't understand why a husband should beat his wife or vise versa why would spanking children be any different than spousal abuse because a hug is different than a squeeze because grounding is different than kidnapping because CONTEXT has alot to do with the relevance of our actions and inactions,,, |
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perhaps she did , perhaps something else was effective for Jesus, perhaps Jesus didnt need it raising children is not the one size fits all process so many (usually childless) people think it is,,,, that's the same as saying that those that have never been married don't understand why a husband should beat his wife or vise versa why would spanking children be any different than spousal abuse Apples and oranges again. It is a parents responsibility to raise that child and "teach" it right from wrong. Some people use spanking, some use others. But nevertheless it is to teach the child. It is not a husband's job to teach/raise his wife, so the two again have absolutely nothin to do with one another. |
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perhaps she did , perhaps something else was effective for Jesus, perhaps Jesus didnt need it raising children is not the one size fits all process so many (usually childless) people think it is,,,, that's the same as saying that those that have never been married don't understand why a husband should beat his wife or vise versa why would spanking children be any different than spousal abuse because a hug is different than a squeeze because grounding is different than kidnapping because CONTEXT has alot to do with the relevance of our actions and inactions,,, so MsHarmony...do you believe that it's ok to inflict pain on your spouse to teach them |
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perhaps she did , perhaps something else was effective for Jesus, perhaps Jesus didnt need it raising children is not the one size fits all process so many (usually childless) people think it is,,,, that's the same as saying that those that have never been married don't understand why a husband should beat his wife or vise versa why would spanking children be any different than spousal abuse because a hug is different than a squeeze because grounding is different than kidnapping because CONTEXT has alot to do with the relevance of our actions and inactions,,, so MsHarmony...do you believe that it's ok to inflict pain on your spouse to teach them I know this was said to MsHarmony, but just wanted to say one thing. It is not the spouses job to teach the other spouse anything. They are grown people making their own decisions. So again, you're still comparing apples and oranges. |
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Apples and oranges again. It is a parents responsibility to raise that child and "teach" it right from wrong. Some people use spanking, some use others. But nevertheless it is to teach the child. It is not a husband's job to teach/raise his wife, so the two again have absolutely nothin to do with one another. do unto others as you want them to do unto you..."The Golden Rule" therefore if you beat a child as to teach him...you want the same to be inflicted upon you by your spouse to teach you or can we say "Hypocrite"? |
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