thanks hickerchik and indnprncs, That means a lot

ya, wonder how many times you thought it had killed you? The betrayal was so hurtin that you felt dead inside, isolated, alone, and defeated.
After all if you give all you got, and the best you got in every way, and still it sucks your value is pretty much elliminated by the statement it makes for awhile.

agree hon, I'd say trust your instincts 100% Your heart or your mind will always try to play gamnes on you if it's something you want to be good.

agree with u babe, what that means to me is to let the relationship grow or not before I make any deep committments or move in together. Let the rope do its testing first, then if it's all good go deeper. What do you mean "it worked for me" Have you found a happy relationship?

you know what worried me for a long time indianprincess? I had heard all my life that if I picked a nightmare the first time I'd continue to pick the same type of person. That means that the betrayal was so bad that it caused me to not even trust myself...how bad is that?

what kind of classes? Is that what triggered him?

Exterior beauty is only skin deep. Real beauty that comes from the inside and defines the person as a beautiful is the real thing. As long as a woman isn't to hard to look at I am more concerned about who she is on the inside and I don't get that close till I am at least fairly sure.

ok, so why would a freak beat someone he thinks is beautiful? Jealousy????? I thought we were talking about abuse not beauty, beautiful women are abused continually and always make excuses for the freaks that beat them.

unfortunately they seem to be the ones who always get the hot chicks.....go figure a? Maybe you can help me understand waht draws so many beautiful women to these freaks? Drugs, parties, living on the edge? A friend of mines litle sister is hooked up with a piece of sh-t that makes her go sell her body on the street so he can buy drugs. She is a gorgeous young lady. Whats the payoff?

"What about the person you trust to love you and be with you not beat you, then they do.. Then they swear they'll never do it again, so you give them another chance and what do they do but beat you again and worse the next time"
Far as I am concerned if any man strikes a woman for any reason he is a pint of piss. A real man can get that mad at a woman at times but will walk away. Scum that hit women (or children) are less than men.

I know hon, I hear you loud and clear. I suppose I just want to believe there are some out there yet that cherish love and all that comes with it. Until I find her I'll mbe alone. I did 9yr's knowing my ex was screwing around everytime I left as she continually accused me of doing it. When our kids were gone so was I and stayed there till now.
I nguess I was actually responding to the lesser betrayals and differences in a growing relationship. Far as I'm concerned there is never and acceptable excuse to screw around especially if you have a partner who is committed and true. Yes! I agree emphatically that is the worste type of betrayal!!!!!!!! And yes, it does hurt so far down that I didn't know feelings were that encompassing! Guess that's why I've been single since 1984 except for one special, wonderful woman who left me because of cancer way to soon. After the first nightmare she taught me to love and cherish beyond anything I ever knew before.

ya, got you hickerchik, that's the fun of life a? Nothing is forever until forever from now you can look back and see that is was all good. In the meantime the signs are there although sometimes awful ambiguous.

IndnPrncs, I do believe that love is a condition that requuires sacrifice on both parts. Actually if it real love I can't imagine what anyone would be doing screwing around? If I lose interest in my partner, or the pleasure in our relationship becomes commatose I am gone. There is nothing saying anyone has to stay in an unfulfilling relationship so why would anyone screw around.....just go and find something new that is fulfilling if it's that dead. Why be completley selfish and just hurt soemone?

betrayal is expected in lust, lust is lust. Been there done that, didn't keep any partners.

ya, do, and have. Sometimes 4 to long. But in love it's not all me. If she will acknowledge the betrayal, show some degree of sorry, love can restore trust with time and experience. There's an old saying, "fu-- me once shame on you, fu-- me twice shame on me, fu-- me thrice you are gone forever.......LOL

Love is free and unconditional, trust is earned and comes with time. Once trust is severed why can't it be restored if love is unconditional? Only problem is that love takes two.

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be glad to come with you tina, but you’re so dam far away! It can't stretch that far........LOL

superfalicious.........the sweet smile on a contented womans face.

Well ellgee, people can say what they want and I think this whole spiel comes off a little suck a--.
All I want to know is why the hottest looking women are always with the a--holes that treat them like crap?
I've seen it all my life. Do women think that somehow being rude, unbathed, and obnoxious, is manly or something?