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Health Care Bill Passes
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Look, human lives should NOT be something where people profit, and it should not be something where some can pick and choose whom they deem fit to live!! then apply it to doctors and hospitals as well. they're the only ones that profit off of healthcare. which is the point i don't get... it's the insurance companies' fault that the healthcare industry does not support everyone... wtf? |
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Health Care Bill Passes
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"Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history. In a further slap, the industry would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price gouging, bid rigging and market allocation." so basically, it's no longer insurance. that is going to bankrupt the companies and all that will be left is the public opti... oh wait, nevermind. i get it now. |
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Health Care Bill Passes
Edited by
AndrewAV
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Sat 11/07/09 08:21 PM
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Obamacare passes by 2 votes. What else will Gov. screw us out of. ****. got a link? |
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Forgetting the Kids
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i agree. let's start by stopping this giving everyone everything and teach real worth ethic.
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The health care reform will soon be revealed and whatever needs to be changed can be done at a later time. Lawmakers and politicians constantly amend prior decisions. But at least SOMETHING will have been done. once something like this is given, you cannot take it back. especially when so many benefit that pay so little for it. it's hard to take away something that's free. |
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This country has gone to hell in a matter of decades. It's not turning out how it was suppose to turn out. Greed and money dictates how this country is. The fed needs to be stopped and big government needs to take a step back. The way things are leading with the two major parties, I only see it getting worse. Something needs to give, people need to stop all the hate and stop fighting against each other and start fighting against big government. Things could be good if the hate went away. "This country has gone to hell in a matter of decades. It's not turning out how it was suppose to turn out. Greed and money dictates how this country is."  Yes, unregulated and uncontrolled capitalism has that effect
when did we ever have this unregulated capitalism you speak of? was i asleep or something? |
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Over 10% unemployment
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Where I work, just about everyone had to take 10% cut in pay and wear more than one hat. We're told business is off 30-40%, yet half the workforce got cut. Do the math. Yet, our healthcare insurance keeps going up, as do most of the things we buy.
study an accounting class for the answer to this one. there are fixed costs in addition to the variable (such as hourly/commission labor) if a product is 40% direct, 20% fixed, and 40% profit (to oversimplify) you still pay the fixed costs even if sales drop to zero. you have to take proportionality in to account and in fact, labor is the easiest cost to cut as workers can work harder. those that want the job will work harder or be replaced by someone who will. |
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Over 10% unemployment
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I think it should be pointed out that in the past when a persons uemployment benefits ran out he/she was no longer counted as unemployed. Obamas and Bush's (ouch that hurt) compassion in extending benefits is keeping people counted longer than in the past. This is probably one of the first times the unemployment figure reflects an accurate number. Had benefits not been extended to millions the figure would be lower but the reality differant. Fail. unemployment includes all those actively seeking work and those on unemployment (as many of them do not look for work). The only ones not included are the discouraged workers and those that work in "non-workplace" jobs (for lack of a better term) such as maintaining the home. So no, it's not accurate because there are many, many people who have given up looking. Either way, increased benefits have nothing to do with the number other than it pays some people for longer to sit on their ***. from http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm "Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed." I repeat...Fail. Thanks for playing. the article still says the bulk of the information comes from filings. The rest by surveying seems supplemental. what is your answer Andrew? deregulate wallstreet and the banks? maybe cut taxes on the wealthy? 
First move would be to remove every single law from the books that protects labor unions. i'd abolish them altogether, but workers do have a right to band together to ask for more. However, it is wrong that the government intervene and do things like require a worker to join a union if it exists. That would take care of most unemployment issues within a year... or however long it takes all those overseas manufacturers to move those jobs back to america. tax breaks for the wealthy (and below) to make them more fair and smaller government would be next. |
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Over 10% unemployment
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Should have voted for Ron Paul. I supported him for the nomination, but a third party candidate has no chance at the presidency. i simply voted the (slightly) lesser of two evils. i think that is the largest fatal flaw (next to the fed) that our government has. we need to eliminate the party system and simply take the top 10 or something. maybe play NCAA style and work our way down from 16 I like the idea of removing the party system but the big problem is money. The sad thing is who ever has more money has a better chance of wining but how is that different from now? at least then, there are more to receive the money so there will be less for each candidate to piss away. |
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Wow, and YOU are a "libertarian"? Could have fooled me! 
and that has what to do with the conversation at hand? let me get this straight, you deserve health care, at my and many others' expense, because you don't have any? I'm sorry, but healthcare is not a need to exist. Humans require three things (as a generality): air, food, and water. We can survive with nothing else. Even then, you do not deserve anything because you exist. You are already paying for illegal immigrants to have babies, and women on welfare to keep popping babies out. Really, whats the difference? This time, maybe it would make you feel better in knowing you helped a child with cancer, or a young man with MS? What's wrong with helping someone that really needs it? I am fine without, as I have free healthcare thanks to local doctors who donate their time to help those of us who can't afford it. : ) I generously donate to the health clinic when I can! um, two wrongs =! a right. sorry. and no, it does not make me feel any better when I have to pay more taxes to help some kid with cancer or some old man with MS. I don't like paying for the illegals either but that is the biggest joke of an argument I've ever heard in support of nationalized healthcare. The problem with helping someone who needs it is the inefficiency. I donate to St. Jude's and the LA children's hospital. That to me is a noble cause and the efficiency is far more than any government operation. I'd donate a hell of a lot more if the government wasn't taking 40% of my earnings. and again, i ask, what the hell did the libertarian comment have to do with anything? Because your selfish, and that isn't what the libertarian party is all about. I do feel sorry for you. Your arrogant and think we owe you something. Like I said earlier, you are not the only taxpayer in the country, so get off your high horse and gallop away. Actually, that is exactly what libertarianism is about in a sense. it's not that i don't want to help others so much that i don't want to be forced to help others. I am a very caring and compassionate person if you talk to just about anyone that knows me, but I do not like others telling me what i can and cannot do. It's about hands-off. and if i'm ever in a situation that i require help and cannot get it, it's my own damn fault for not being ready for it or it's some other jackass's fault for doing it to me. I didn't make anyone sick or hurt anyone; why should I be liable to pay for their care? |
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"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care." Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat. And this is my problem how?  We live in the same society.Everyone should have access to healthcare. And they will. End of story
everyone has access already. It's not my fault you cannot afford it. |
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Over 10% unemployment
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Should have voted for Ron Paul. I supported him for the nomination, but a third party candidate has no chance at the presidency. i simply voted the (slightly) lesser of two evils. i think that is the largest fatal flaw (next to the fed) that our government has. we need to eliminate the party system and simply take the top 10 or something. maybe play NCAA style and work our way down from 16 |
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Edited by
AndrewAV
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Fri 11/06/09 09:08 PM
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Wow, and YOU are a "libertarian"? Could have fooled me!
and that has what to do with the conversation at hand? let me get this straight, you deserve health care, at my and many others' expense, because you don't have any? I'm sorry, but healthcare is not a need to exist. Humans require three things (as a generality): air, food, and water. We can survive with nothing else. Even then, you do not deserve anything because you exist. You are already paying for illegal immigrants to have babies, and women on welfare to keep popping babies out. Really, whats the difference? This time, maybe it would make you feel better in knowing you helped a child with cancer, or a young man with MS? What's wrong with helping someone that really needs it? I am fine without, as I have free healthcare thanks to local doctors who donate their time to help those of us who can't afford it. : ) I generously donate to the health clinic when I can! um, two wrongs =! a right. sorry. and no, it does not make me feel any better when I have to pay more taxes to help some kid with cancer or some old man with MS. I don't like paying for the illegals either but that is the biggest joke of an argument I've ever heard in support of nationalized healthcare. The problem with helping someone who needs it is the inefficiency. I donate to St. Jude's and the LA children's hospital. That to me is a noble cause and the efficiency is far more than any government operation. I'd donate a hell of a lot more if the government wasn't taking 40% of my earnings. and again, i ask, what the hell did the libertarian comment have to do with anything? |
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Over 10% unemployment
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vote republican next time I'd really rather not. And before you say it, I voted McCain. |
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Over 10% unemployment
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I think it should be pointed out that in the past when a persons uemployment benefits ran out he/she was no longer counted as unemployed. Obamas and Bush's (ouch that hurt) compassion in extending benefits is keeping people counted longer than in the past. This is probably one of the first times the unemployment figure reflects an accurate number. Had benefits not been extended to millions the figure would be lower but the reality differant. Fail. unemployment includes all those actively seeking work and those on unemployment (as many of them do not look for work). The only ones not included are the discouraged workers and those that work in "non-workplace" jobs (for lack of a better term) such as maintaining the home. So no, it's not accurate because there are many, many people who have given up looking. Either way, increased benefits have nothing to do with the number other than it pays some people for longer to sit on their ***. from http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm "Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed." I repeat...Fail. Thanks for playing. |
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I don't blame the Government, I blame Coorporate GREED! Citigroup received $25 billion plus $301 billion in a federal backstop that would put taxpayers partly on the hook for the bank’s losses. Bank of America received $45 billion in capital injections and $118 billion in backstops. Then there is American International Group, which has received a $60 billion loan, as much as $152.5 billion in total government support. and who gave that money to them? /argument. |
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Wow, and YOU are a "libertarian"? Could have fooled me!
and that has what to do with the conversation at hand? let me get this straight, you deserve health care, at my and many others' expense, because you don't have any? I'm sorry, but healthcare is not a need to exist. Humans require three things (as a generality): air, food, and water. We can survive with nothing else. Even then, you do not deserve anything because you exist. |
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Edited by
AndrewAV
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Fri 11/06/09 07:33 PM
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"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care." Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat. And this is my problem how? Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off! so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare. I do not have to explain anything, I suggest if you do not like it then stop paying. Or buck it up. superb answer. I expected nothing less. |
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Over 10% unemployment
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I think it should be pointed out that in the past when a persons uemployment benefits ran out he/she was no longer counted as unemployed. Obamas and Bush's (ouch that hurt) compassion in extending benefits is keeping people counted longer than in the past. This is probably one of the first times the unemployment figure reflects an accurate number. Had benefits not been extended to millions the figure would be lower but the reality differant. Fail. unemployment includes all those actively seeking work and those on unemployment (as many of them do not look for work). The only ones not included are the discouraged workers and those that work in "non-workplace" jobs (for lack of a better term) such as maintaining the home. So no, it's not accurate because there are many, many people who have given up looking. Either way, increased benefits have nothing to do with the number other than it pays some people for longer to sit on their ***. |
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"The people have spoken: they do not want a trillion-dollar government plan to replace their health care." Um what health care? I am one of those folks that have none. You know, along with the millions of other americans in the same boat. And this is my problem how? Excuse me? You aren't the only person in this country that pays taxes. And I do not think I was addressing you, so buzz off! so explain to me why i should pay more taxes so you can have healthcare. |
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