All this talk of former President Clinton allowing bin Ladin and his
network to committ 9/11 is purpostous. The fact is, in his 2nd term he
was to busy defending himself from the Republicans for getting a little
piece a$$ on the side. He couldn't focus on the more important issues.
Any move he would make would be watched and serverly scrutinized.

But when you look at the current President Bush, his was administration
was chalk full of problems.

1)His "axis of evil," which was made after the start of the, now
forgoten but still fighting, Afgan war, made an enemy of Iran. The
Iranians were no friend of the Taliban, they wanted the Taliban out of
power, they actually provide intel to do so. After Mr. Bush's speech,
Iranians elected their right wing president to protect them. And he's
now looking for nukes.

2)The faulty intelligence provided by CIA and not fact checked by the
National Security Council, then headed by Ms. Rice (who for some reason
still has her job) lead the not only the nation but the whole to
question the US intentions and motives for war. This only strenghtens
and gives cause to the cry "No War for Oil." It also lead to Collin
Powell to resign in protest because he presented the faulty intel to the
UN. He was left out in the wind. He had sense to jump off this Titanic.

3)The misleadership and mismanagement by Donald Rumfield who was
combative with his own generals fighting the war lead many to resign in
protest. Rumfield got his way but clearly "staying the course" only lead
to his firing by Mr. Bush but that was after the Dems won control
congress. Mr. Rumfield record was not only marred by the lack of
progress in Iraq but also in the Abu Grabi prison scandel.

4)The interrogation/torcher scandel lead to the firing of former US
Attorney General John Ash Croft. Even John McCain, who was torchered in
Vietman and who voted for war, said that was inhumaine.

5)The war itself created a deversion from growing problems in North
Korea with their nuclear program but also the growing socialist movement
in South America, Velezuena in particular.

Even with all this, it is usual for 2nd term presidents to be bog down
with scandels, Nixon with Watergate, Reagan with the Iran/contra
scandel, Truman and the Korean War.

I would have to disagree with you Daniel according to the New York
Times:

WASHINGTON, Aug. 18 - A former Bush administration official who led the
fruitless postwar effort to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq
told Congress on Wednesday that the National Security Council led by
Condoleezza Rice had botched intelligence information before the war and
was "the dog that did not bark" over Iraq's weapons program.



Where was the N.S.C?" Dr. Kay asked, suggesting that the president had
come to depend too heavily on information supplied by Ms. Rice, Mr.
Bush's national security adviser, and that the president needed to reach
out to others for national security information.

Dr. Kay added: "The dog that did not bark in the case of Iraq's W.M.D.
weapons program, quite frankly, in my view, is the National Security
Council."

Dr. Kay did not identify Ms. Rice by name in his often-impassioned
testimony. But his remarks were clearly aimed at her performance and
reflected a widespread view among intelligence specialists that Ms.
Rice, perhaps Mr. Bush's most trusted aide, and the National Security
Council have never been held sufficiently accountable for intelligence
failures before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and the Iraq war.

Dr. Kay has said in the past that faulty prewar information about Iraq's
weapons programs represented a serious failure of American intelligence
agencies. But his comments on Wednesday appeared to go much further,
both in their vehemence and in Dr. Kay's willingness to single out
particular agencies for blame, notably the National Security Council and
the C.I.A.

"Iraq was an overwhelming systemic failure of the Central Intelligence
Agency," Dr. Kay said. "Until this is taken on board and people and
organizations are held responsible for this failure, I have a real
difficulty in seeking how a national intelligence director can correct
these failures."

He was referring to a proposal by the Sept. 11 commission for the
appointment of a national intelligence director to oversee the work of
the government's 15 spy agencies, including the C.I.A. and several
within the Defense Department.

In his sharp attack on the National Security Council, Dr. Kay said that
the council had failed, in particular, to provide Mr. Bush and Mr.
Powell with the intelligence information they needed before the war
about Iraq's weapons capabilities, especially after both had expressed
some skepticism about the extent of Iraq's weapons programs.

"Where was the National Security Council when, apparently, the president
expressed his own doubt about the adequacy of the case concerning Iraq's
W.M.D. weapons that was made before him?" Dr. Kay asked.

"Why was the secretary of state sent to the C.I.A. to personally vet the
data that he was to take the Security Council in New York, and
ultimately left to hang in the wind for data that was misleading and, in
some cases, absolutely false and known by parts of the intelligence
community to be false?" he continued. "Where was the N.S.C. then?"

Daniel if the intelligence was bad why does Ms. Rice still have her job?

Hmm.... no bid contracts that isn't right. Competion among companies is
what drive them to provide the best product for consumer to compelete
his objective. Look at the jeep, in WWII the government said to
companies to build a scout veicle that can stand to rugged terrain, take
a hell of a beating, and light enough to ship to the fore front of the
war. So many companies competed for the contract that it produce the
winning war chariot the jeep.

With a no bid contract that is like giving a bank check with out
evaulating it's effectiveness. It's like pay for 100s of hours work
before the job is start and their no design or plan to get the job done.

That must mean that Cheneye was so screwed out of his mind because
giving a no bid contract looks like he was in bed with Haliberton. And
Haliberton also screw the taxpayer in the process.

Oh Shadow Eagle, your Jewish conspiracy theory have as much weight as
the joint government-extra terrestrial conspiracy theory. And Keep It
Short and Simple!KISS!

I don't consider myself a liberal per se but....

1) Put Iraqis to work. Idle hand are the devil's tools. Iraqis men join
radical militias because they have no jobs to provide for themselves.
Militias promise a false goal of the "spoils of war," a more attactive
offer than starving to death.

2) Stop the money flow. Terrorist need financing to operate. Cut the
money and they can't make the bombs.

3) See above for answer

4) Fine the companies who hire illegals, and for repeat offences close
those companies. If no one hires illegals there's no work for them here,
on if there no work here why come in the first place.

For drugs, we the American public have to stop being drug users. If
there's no market for the illegal drug there no money to be made from
them.

5) Invest instead of spending money on estavangant luxuries.

how about BOZO???... lol!!

4fun06 picked BOZO aka the cokehead
that's one vote for cokehead

gary's for the former pothead
that 1 vote for pothead

Oh Shadow Eagle, ever used the KISS princle. Keep It Simple and Short. I
think instead of reading all that I just watch the movie "The Good
Shepard" they say it's the "Godfather of CIA movies."

Let me elaborate, the former pothead was a governor of Arkansaw, and the
former cokehead rebel governor of Texas...

a former pothead or a former cokehead?

I find it interesting that Mysteriousman choose a picture of soldier
from a overwhelming anti-war movie as his profile image.

Liberals = cavemen? Hmmm that doesn't sence. Traditionally it's the
consevatives who are resistant to changes in technology, ideas, forms of
government, the sciences, social reforms, environment economy, racial
and gender equality. Liberals on the other hand would push for changes
in all those catagories to improve humanity and human collective
knowledge.

Cavemen are people who blinded themselves and refuse to adapt to changes
and therefore died out.

Well the world wants to take down Rumfield. I can't blame them.

He underestimated the # of troops need to be deployed in Iraq and
arrogantly deined more troops even when military generals requested for
more. He hought every recommendation that his generals asked, lamblasted
any sign of discontent with the war strategy Rumfield laid out, poorly
equiped troops who they themselves on national TV ask Rumfield why they
did have body amour.
I can't the beleive Bush had to wait for the Democrats to win congress
first instead of when his generals resign in protest to Rumfield
tyrannical and nonsensical command.

Here's another one....

An airhead goes to a icecream store and she asks the man behind the
counter "Can I have 1 gallon of Chocolate icecream? The man says "I'm
sorry we're all out of chocolate. Do you want anything else?

The airhead, as if she didn't understand what "all out of" meant, asks
"Well can I have 1 pint of chocolate?" The man replies, a bit confused
maybe she didn't hear right, says "Sorry we're all out of chocolate.
Would you want to try out cookies n cream, or butter pecan?"

She then asks "Well can I have 1 scoop of chocolate?" The man just looks
at her for a minute and asks "Can you spell van in vanilla?"She goes
"Yes V-A-N, van"

He asks "Can you spell straw in strawberry?"
She goes "Yes S-T-R-A-W, straw.

He then asks "Can you spell fuck in chocolate?"
She thinks for a second and says "But there no fuck in chocolate?" He
fires back "That's what I've been trying to tell you....THERE NO FUCKING
CHOCOLATE!"

Glad you like it but to tell the truth I had to change that joke a
bit...originally it was 2 blonds.

2 drunks walk out of a bar and stumbles upon something that completely
stupidfies them on the sidewalk.
The 1st drunk says to the 2nd "Is that chocolate bar or is that doo doo?
"I thinks is chocolate....wait it's crap...no no it chocolate...."
They debate for 10 minutes until the 2nd drunk has a bright idea. He
stoops down, breaks off a chunk of the mystery brownie, you know for
texture, and places it in his mouth.
He savors it for a little while then says "That's settles that, that's
one big pile of dog shit! But hey at least we didn't step in it."

hey that's funny but I think it's funniner if the cop says "This next
question will determine if you are drunk or not....Was Mickey Mouse a
cat or a dog?"

or asks "Can you run 1900 feet per second? In case you didn't know
that's the average speed of a 9mm bullet shot through my gun."

or the ever popular "You didn't think we write tickets to beautiful
women. You're right we don't. Sign here. LOL!

A friend of mine had a girlfriend who when ever he had sex with her she
would moan out "OH GOD, YES! JESSSSUE CRIIIIST! JESUS CRIST! YES!" And
every time he would have to hold his laughter back. Until one day he
while having sex he bursted out laughing. She was so startled she ask
what was so funny? He answered "You say Jesus every time we have sex but
you're Jewish!"
The joke was on him though she didn't give him play for a month.

John and Mary are having financial problem because John got laid off.
They decide that Mary go hooking to pay off the bills. They pulls into a
ally next to club and John say to Mary "I be right here if you have any
problems and remember it's $100 a lay, now go stand out front."
Mary stands out front and a guy pulls next to her and she says "Hey
looking for a party?"
The guy goes "Yeah, how much you charge?"
She goes "It's $100 a lay."
"Shit! All I got is $30. What can I get for $30?"
She stops, thinks and says "Wait here for a minute I'll be right back!"
She runs to her husband asks "What can a guy get for $30?"
John says "He can get a hand job for $30. Go on git!"
She runs back to the guy and says "You can get a hand job."
The guy agrees and she gets into his car. He unzips his pants and out
pops an impressive member. She looks at it for a sec and says "Wait,
I'll be right back" She runs back to her hubby and says to him "Can you
lend this guy $70 bucks?"

I was born in NYC but raise in Jersey. Hey verbatim do you go word for
word like your screen name. Know any famous quotes?
Also from Jersey; Jack Nicolas, Frank Sinatra, Jon Bonvi, Bruce
Springstein, Danny De Vito,
Anyone know any other famous New Jerseians?