Abra, you have to understand that there are "real" Christians and "fake" Christians. The Vatican (Vat-O-sin) where the other Baal shaft sits is responsible for most of the atrocities carried out in the name of the church. They supported the Nazis and helped many of the war criminals escape after the war, and guess where many of them ended up - the USA and the CIA (operation Paperclip). The Devil has infiltrated and co-opted his greatest enemy - the Church. So I actually agree with you. But don't blame that stuff on "real" Christians.

I want to do something I would call backwards-evangelism. I'm asking the question: Why is it, that whenever you trace back the ruling elite and powerful people who run this world, they are always into the occult? The Masons are the most obvious example. When you reach the 33rd level, they basically admit that they worship Lucifer. It is UNDENIABLE that there is a pentagram and a suare&compass "written" into the street design of DC. It is UNDENIABLE that there is a "shaft of Baal" (Washington monument) there and at the Vatican. Hope I don't have to spell out what it symbolizes. It is UNDENIABLE that the rich and powerful attend the Bohemian Grove where there is a giant stone Owl (Molech). So it doesn't really matter if YOU believe there is a real Devil or not. THEY believe and take THEIR religion very, very seriously. Which is stealing, killing, and destroying you and me - the sheep. We are all in the same boat - the powerless when it comes to this world system. You cannot deny that this world is messed up because THEY are in power - it effects everybodys daily lives (right now the economy). You can't "wish" them away by not believing they exist. There is only one way they are going to be defeated, and that is the return of Yahshua to rule and reign for 1000 years. "We battle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers." Let me here your explanation as to why the world is in the state that it is.

I did answer your question. Under the Torah he had 1 son. Under the Code of Hammarabi, he had 2 sons.

Let me guess Abracrabby, you're a Wiccan. You've poisoned your mind with some kind of junk obviously. Yes, some bloody things happened in the OT. There is a cosmic WAR going on. It's not his fault Lucifer fell - the god of this world and source of all misery here. But his greatest gift to Lucifer and all of us is FREE WILL. You are sure using yours to twist yourself into so many knots you may never be free. REAL love involves making a choice. He wants us to CHOOSE him, he's not forcing us. I suppose maybe also you are a gnostic and believe that God is the bad guy trying to enslave us and Lucifer is the good guy trying to free us. At least you are a thinking person, so there is still hope.

Krimsa seems to be a very difficult person and not worth the time arguing with. But here's an answer. Isaac was the "promised" son, his "only" son with Sarah - his "real" wife. The son with the handmade was not a "lawful" son. In the OT it was written in the "code of Hammarabi" (Babaloynian King) that it was OK to have children with a handmade, not in the Torah. I've always found it hard to imagine this practice myself until I found this in my appendix. Then again, don't we follow a lot of the laws of land that go against scripture - like paying taxes to this Beast Government. Abraham was leaving the land of Babalyon, just like we must do. "Come out of her my People"

I was at the MN state fair this year and was at the newspaper printing museum where they had a big sign "The Press shall be forever free". I went in and talked to a couple of the volunteer ladies. I told them that I found their sign very humorous because it wasn't true. They got very insulted and said they could print anything they want. I went over a bunch of issues and asked if they had run any stories on them lately. They said they have to stick with mainly hometown stories for their readers. Suppose it is true that the small town papers are the last vestige of freedom left, but they have a freedom that isn't being used. They will probably soon all go broke and be bought out anyways.

Ron Paul was the last chance for this country and the sheeple blew it. We are headed for the North American Union (US, Mexico, Canada merging) and so they will blow out our economy to bring in the Amero currency - which is already being printed. After a period of rioting in the streets when the supermarkets are empty, the sheeple will beg for ANY solution. Order out of Chaos. The NAFTA super highway is already being built. They have already chosen Kansas City as the major truck/shipping container hub. Biggest shipping port in N America is already being built in Mexico. All the illegals will soon be legal. And don't think Mexico will become more like us - we will become more like them (a 3rd world country. Obomanation of desolation is just a puppet who will do what he's told or he'll wind up like Kennedy. We are headed for CHANGE all right. Not the kind you think.

Has anybody ever heard of Pat Kiley's radio show "Follow the Money"? He can be heard Mondays at 7pm central at wwcr.com (world wide christian radio). He has mentioned that there may be a gold confiscation like they did in the 30's. Where is your money safe? Anyone ever catch Gerald Celente on Coast to Coast? Any Coast listeners at all? George Noory supported Ron Paul and he gets the best guests of ANY mainstream radio. Except maybe Amy Goodman (who is left leaning and supports UN), but she is still good info.