Stories like this remind me that the terrorist did win. They managed with the attack on the WTC to alter the way Americans live Letting us finish the job they started with the attack by giving up privacy and sanity with things like the suspension of habeus corpus, the Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act and a government out of control.

I'd love to hear some of the regular posters here comment on this article that involves government, no fly lists, freedom or lack there of of information, Muslims and a veteran.

Grounded pilot, wife sue over 'no-fly' list
by CHRISTOPHER WINK, Of The Patriot-News
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 2:56 PM
CHRIS KNIGHT, The Patriot-News

APOLOGIES THE PICTURE WAS HERE

Erich Scherfen, right, and his wife, Rabina Tareen, listen as Witold Walczak of the ACLU of Pennsylvania describes the effect of a federal flight restriction on his career as a pilot.
A Gulf War veteran and his wife say they've been unfairly placed on a federal list that limits their commercial flight access and threatens his job as a commercial pilot. To fight back, the couple, who are Muslim, filed a lawsuit today against a host of U.S. government agencies. "We don't know why they're on the list. They don't know why they're on the list. The government won't tell us why they're on the list," said Amy Foerster, an attorney with Saul Ewing, who is providing pro bono counsel and working with the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania and the Schuylkill County couple on the case, which was filed in U.S. district court.

The suit filed against the U.S. departments of Homeland Security and Justice and the FBI, among others, is "unique" because Erich Scherfen, a New Jersey native who converted to Islam in the mid-1990s, is a commercial airline pilot whose flight privileges were revoked in April, said Witold Walczak, the legal director of the state ACLU chapter. On Sept. 1, Scherfen will be terminated by his employer, Colgan Air, despite the airline's cooperation.

"My livelihood depends on getting off this list," Scherfen said. What list he is on and which government entity maintains it is unclear, Walczak said. The federal government has declined to acknowledge flight restrictions placed on the pilot.

But Scherfen says he and his wife, Pakistan-born Rubina Tareen, have been detained for hours on several occasions in airports and even border crossings and been told by airport ticket agents and security personnel that they're on a "terrorist watch list."

In order for Scherfen to keep his job, Walczak additionally requested an emergency injunction, a move that could provide results as early as today but would only be a temporary fix.

"We wouldn't file a suit we didn't think we could win," Walczak said.

Land of the free..home of the afraid...

haha I am not surprised that no one else has posted on this.

I can understand why the apprehension. Islamics are suspect.
If you take a few and see what havoc Islamics have created in other countries, you might see why it's a good idea not to take chances with them. JMHO.

Humm so Islamic people are suspect. Here are some interesting stats to consider when thinking about why they are. It would be interesting to see what percentage of non-Muslims condoned the attack for contrast but I do not have those numbers.

n a groundbreaking project to understand what the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims really think, Gallup World Poll conducted a massive, multi-year research and conducted tens of thousands of interviews in 35 countries with predominantly Muslim (or have significant Muslim) populations.

The result is this book: Who Speaks for Islam? by John L. Esposito and Dalia Mogahed - and here are some of its most counterintuitive findings, as pertaining to terrorism and religious radicals:

•Among the Muslims surveyed, 7 percent condoned the 9/11 attacks. The study terms these the "politically radicalized."
•When asked why they supported the attacks, the radicals gave political rather than religious reasons. They have a sense of political frustration and feel humiliated and threatened by the West. Those who opposed the attacks often gave religious reasons for doing so.

•The radicals, on average, are not the down-and-out people in society. They are more educated than moderates, and two-thirds of radicals have average or above-average income. Forty-seven percent supervise others at work. They are more optimistic about their own lives than are moderates (52 percent to 45 percent).

•Radicals are no more religious than the general population and do not attend mosque more frequently.

Here is a portion of what dissenters of The Nation of Islam have to say about the cult of Islam.
Islam and Terrorism

Quran 9.29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day ... "

Islam contains a large amount of intense venemous hatred for non-muslims. Quran and Hadith are filled with this hatred, which has always been easily transformed into physical violence since the creation of Islam. Mohammed himself was a terrorist in his time, when he ordered to kill those who left Islam. He took part in many battles against people just for the reason they did not accept Islam.

Quran (4:34) orders a man to beat his wife if she doesn't obey him?
Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

There are many more scriptures that are available as to the point of Islam and Islamic followers being suspect.

Also, you might try looking into why Australia and other European Nations are attempting to limit Islamic Migration into their backyards.

HA HA HA

If you want to point to the Quran for scary stuff be ready to have some verses that are pretty damned awful posted from the Bible.

A debate about Islam is not what this thread is about. It is about a man and his unreasonable treatment by...well..we can't be sure by just who because the U.S. government won't even say what list he is on or why.

Here's my point on this guy. The United States Armed Services felt safe enough to let this man fly an airplane in service of this country. Now suddenly when he is attempting to work as a private citizen he is suspect?

What part of this makes sense?