Topic: The Way of Inquiry (Buddhism)
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Wed 08/27/08 11:10 AM
"Without health life is not life; it is only a state of langour and suffering - an image of death."

"A good friend who points out mistakes and imperfections and rebukes evil is to be respected as if he reveals a secret of hidden treasure."

"The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, worry about the future, or anticipate troubles, but to live in the present moment wisely and earnestly."


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Wed 08/27/08 11:10 AM
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

"Good men and bad men differ radically. Bad men never appreciate kindness shown them, but wise men appreciate and are grateful. Wise men try to express their appreciation and gratitude by some return of kindness, not only to their benefactor, but to everyone else."

"Do not speak harshly to any one; those who are spoken to will answer thee in the same way. Angry speech is painful: blows for blows will touch thee."

"Health is the greatest gift, contentment the greatest wealth, faithfulness the best relationship."

"The thought manifests as the word; The word manifests as the deed; The deed develops into habit; And habit hardens into character. So watch the thought and its ways with care, And let it spring from love Born out of concern for all beings."


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Wed 08/27/08 07:39 PM
Wisdom

The cause is naturally empty;
the essence is naturally empty;
and the result is naturally empty.
These are called the
Three Doors of Complete Liberation

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Wed 08/27/08 08:15 PM

The Illusion of Soul

The Buddha taught that there is no soul, no essential and permanent core to a living being. Instead, that which we call a 'living being', human or other, can be seen to be but a temporary coming together of many activities and parts - when complete it is called a 'living being', but after the parts separate and the activities cease it is not called a 'living being' anymore. Like an advanced computer assembled of many parts and activities, only when it is complete and performs coherent tasks is it called a 'computer', but after the parts are disconnected and the activities cease it is no longer called a 'computer'. No essential permanent core can be found which we can truly call 'the computer', just so, no essential permanent core can be found which we can call 'the soul'.
Yet Rebirth still occurs without a soul. Consider this simile: on a Buddhist shrine one candle, burnt low, is about to expire. A monk takes a new candle and lights it from the old. The old candle dies, the new candle burns bright. What went across from the old candle to the new? There was a causal link but no thing went across! In the same way, there was a causal link between your previous life and your present life, but no soul has gone across.


Well, I was really enjoying this up until here.

Personal observation and experience has given me total certainty that, in fact, there is an 'I' that "crosses over" and carries memories along with it.

As for the candle analogy, when the SOURCE of the flame is considered, the analogy actually supports the opposite thesis. It is "heat" which is the SOURCE of the flame. And that heat is what went across. The flame is simply a byproduct of the heat and is dependent upon the heat for its existence.

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Wed 08/27/08 08:29 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 08/27/08 08:40 PM


The Illusion of Soul

The Buddha taught that there is no soul, no essential and permanent core to a living being. Instead, that which we call a 'living being', human or other, can be seen to be but a temporary coming together of many activities and parts - when complete it is called a 'living being', but after the parts separate and the activities cease it is not called a 'living being' anymore. Like an advanced computer assembled of many parts and activities, only when it is complete and performs coherent tasks is it called a 'computer', but after the parts are disconnected and the activities cease it is no longer called a 'computer'. No essential permanent core can be found which we can truly call 'the computer', just so, no essential permanent core can be found which we can call 'the soul'.
Yet Rebirth still occurs without a soul. Consider this simile: on a Buddhist shrine one candle, burnt low, is about to expire. A monk takes a new candle and lights it from the old. The old candle dies, the new candle burns bright. What went across from the old candle to the new? There was a causal link but no thing went across! In the same way, there was a causal link between your previous life and your present life, but no soul has gone across.


Well, I was really enjoying this up until here.

Personal observation and experience has given me total certainty that, in fact, there is an 'I' that "crosses over" and carries memories along with it.

As for the candle analogy, when the SOURCE of the flame is considered, the analogy actually supports the opposite thesis. It is "heat" which is the SOURCE of the flame. And that heat is what went across. The flame is simply a byproduct of the heat and is dependent upon the heat for its existence.


The second law of thermodynamics shows us that heat will dissipate . . . so . . . . score Buddha?

And you are right and wrong. Yes heat in this sense is the kinetic motion of atoms, the faster the atom move the faster the electrons in its shell move, this excites the electromagnetic spectrum, and causes light. Plasma is also generated through ionization . . Plasma glows blue.

But really the motion of the electron are what is attributed with creating the light, the heat is a manifestation of the atoms kinetic energy, so motion of atoms is the source.

If you consider motion of atoms to mean life then yes its quite possible you will live forever . . .

I have a habit of being too literal of course . . .

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Wed 08/27/08 08:32 PM
Edited by smiless on Wed 08/27/08 08:41 PM


The Illusion of Soul

The Buddha taught that there is no soul, no essential and permanent core to a living being. Instead, that which we call a 'living being', human or other, can be seen to be but a temporary coming together of many activities and parts - when complete it is called a 'living being', but after the parts separate and the activities cease it is not called a 'living being' anymore. Like an advanced computer assembled of many parts and activities, only when it is complete and performs coherent tasks is it called a 'computer', but after the parts are disconnected and the activities cease it is no longer called a 'computer'. No essential permanent core can be found which we can truly call 'the computer', just so, no essential permanent core can be found which we can call 'the soul'.
Yet Rebirth still occurs without a soul. Consider this simile: on a Buddhist shrine one candle, burnt low, is about to expire. A monk takes a new candle and lights it from the old. The old candle dies, the new candle burns bright. What went across from the old candle to the new? There was a causal link but no thing went across! In the same way, there was a causal link between your previous life and your present life, but no soul has gone across.


Well, I was really enjoying this up until here.

Personal observation and experience has given me total certainty that, in fact, there is an 'I' that "crosses over" and carries memories along with it.

As for the candle analogy, when the SOURCE of the flame is considered, the analogy actually supports the opposite thesis. It is "heat" which is the SOURCE of the flame. And that heat is what went across. The flame is simply a byproduct of the heat and is dependent upon the heat for its existence.


There is no need to discontinue to enjoy this thread and just bypass this part to read the other idealogies that have been posted.

Your personal observation that is considered certain for your personal well being is absolutely correct! If you believe in the "I" that "crosses over" and carries memories along with it then you believe that. Many will agree with you.

I think the candle analogy is an example of what a individual mind claims to work best for him. If it doesn't work for you then don't embrace it.

Under the studies of Buddhism many believe one cannot know one has a soul until they reach enlightenment to reach yet again another state called nirvana.

I am starting to understand that this is a process one has to go through to reach such a state. I wonder if everyone gets to this stage or only very few and again could this only be nothing more then using our imagination.

In the long run I find the teachings of Buddhism very relaxing and I will continue to search for more understanding of this ancient eastern philosophy.

For many this is confusing and there are also lacks of proof leading to skepticm. It is truly understandeable in all aspects.

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Thu 08/28/08 05:51 AM
Meditative Concentration

It is very important
to contemplate
the true nature of
the inner mind

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Thu 08/28/08 01:41 PM
Wisdom

The Transcendent Perfection of Wisdom refers to understanding the exact nature of things. In Buddhism, all that is composite is impermanent, all that is impure is suffering, and all phenomena are without true entity. They are empty. This is what we need to know.


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Thu 08/28/08 01:55 PM
Edited by smiless on Thu 08/28/08 01:59 PM
Wisdom

The very fact that something comes into being makes it possible and indeed necessary for that thing to cease. Its origination is the primary condition for its cessation. So when we understand the impermanence of all things, we understand that they are going through the process of cessation in each moment.

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Fri 08/29/08 05:13 AM
Who Was The Buddha?


Siddhartha, who came to be the Buddha, was born in Kapilavastu (Nepal) in 563 B.C.E, of King Shuddhodana and Queen Maya, rulers of Sakyas.

It is said that just before he was conceived, Queen Maya dreamed of an elephant with six tusks and carrying a lotus flower in its trunk, touched her right side. This dream was interpreted by Brahmins (learned men) that the child would be either the greatest king in the world or the greatest ascetic (a holy man who practices self-denial), and would be named Siddhartha, (meaning "he whose aim is accomplished").

Later when Queen Maya was going to her father's home to prepare for the birth, she stepped off her chariot in the Lumbini Gardens and held the branch of a sal tree to rest. In that instant, Siddhartha emerged from her right side without any help. The infant walked seven steps each in four directions of the compass, and lotus flowers sprouted from where his foot touched the earth. Then the infant said, "No further births have I to endure, for this is my last body. Now shall I destroy and pluck out by the roots the sorrow that is caused by birth and death." Seven days later Queen Maya died. Mahaprajapati, Maya's sister, looked after Siddhartha. King Shuddhodana shielded Siddhartha from all kinds of suffering and hardship. When Siddhartha was about 20, he married Yasodhara, daughter of one of the King's ministers, and one year later they had a child named Rahula (meaning "fetter" or "impediment").

At age 29, Siddhartha asked his charioteer, Channa, to take him out of the city two times without the consent of the king. During these two trips, Siddhartha saw "Four Sights" that changed his life. On the first trip, he saw old age, sickness, and death. The second trip, he saw a wandering holy man, an ascetic, with no possessions. Siddhartha started questioning the holy man, who had a shaved head, wore only a ragged yellow robe, and carried a walking-staff. The man said, "I am... terrified by birth and death and therefore have adopted a homeless life to win salvation... I search for the most blessed state in which suffering, old age, and death are unknown." That night, Siddhartha silently kissed his sleeping wife and son, and ordered Channa to drive him out to the forest. At the edge of the forest, Siddhartha took off his jeweled sword, and cut off his hair and beard. He then took off all his princely garments and put on a yellow robe of a holy man. He then ordered Channa to take his possessions back to his father.

Siddhartha then wandered through northeastern India, sought out holy men, and learned about Samsara (reincarnation), Karma, and Moksha. Attracted to the ideas of Moksha, Siddhartha settled on the bank of Nairanjana River, and adopted a life of extreme self-denial and penances, meditating constantly. After six years of eating and drinking only enough to stay alive, his body was emaciated, and he was very weak. Five other holy men joined him, hoping to learn from his example.

One day, Siddhartha realized that his years of penance only weakened his body, and he could not continue to meditate properly. When he stepped into the river to bathe, he was too weak to get out, and the trees lowered their branches to help him. In that instant, a milk-maid named Nandabala came and offered a bowl of milk and rice, which Siddhartha accepted. The five holy men left Siddhartha after witnessing this. Refreshed by the meal, Siddhartha sat down under a fig tree (often refered to as the Bo tree, or Tree of Enlightenment) and resolved to find out an answer to life and suffering. While meditating, Mara (an evil god) sent his three sons and daughters to tempt Siddhartha with thirst, lust, discontent, and distractions of pleasure. Siddhartha, unswayed, entered a deep meditation, and recalled all his previous rebirths, gained knowledge of the cycle of births and deaths, and with certainty, cast off the ignorance and passion of his ego which bound him to the world. Thereupon, Siddhartha had attained enlightenment and became the Buddha (enlightened one). His own desire and suffering were over and, as the Buddha, he experienced Nirvana... "There is a sphere which is neither earth, nor water, nor fire, nor air...which is neither this world nor the other world, neither sun nor moon. I deny that it is coming or going, enduring, death or birth. It is only the end of suffering." Instead of casting off his body and his existence, however, Buddha made a great act of self-sacrifice. He turned back, determined to share his enlightement with others so that all living souls could end the cycles of their own rebirth and suffering.

Buddha went to the city of Sarnath and found the previous five holy men that deserted him earlier at a deer park. When they saw Buddha this time, they realized that he had risen to a higher state of holiness. The Buddha began teaching them what he had learned. He drew a circle in the ground with rice grains, representing the wheel of life that went on for existence after existence. This preaching was called his Deer Park Sermon, or "Setting in Motion the Wheel of Doctrine." Siddhartha revealed that he had become the Buddha, and described the pleasure that he had first known as a prince, and the life of severe asceticism that he had practiced. Neither of these was the true path to Nirvana. The true path was the Middle Way, which keeps aloof from both extremes.

"To satisfy the necessities of life is not evil," the Buddha said. "To keep the body in good health is a duty, for otherwise we shall not be able to trim the lamp of wisdom and keep our mind strong and clear." Buddha then taught them the Dharma, which consisted of the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path. The five holy men and others soon joined Buddha, accompanying him everywhere. As more joined, Buddha organized the Sangha, a community of bhikkus (dedicated monks and later nuns). The Sangha preserved the Dharma, and allowed bhikkus to concentrate on the goal of Nirvana. On raining seasons they would settle in Viharas (resting places in cave dwellings). Upasaka, followers who believed in Buddha's teachings, but could not follow the stict rule of the Sangha, were taught to follow the Five Precepts. Buddha returned to his birthplace in Kapilavastu, and his father was mortified to see his son begging for food. Buddha kissed his father's foot and said, "You belong to a noble line of kings. But I belong to the lineage of buddhas, and thousands of those have lived on alms." King Shuddhadana then remembered the Brahmin's prophesy and reconciled with his son. Buddha's wife, son, and cousin (Ananda) later joined the Sangha.

When Buddha was about eighty, a blacksmith named Cuanda gave him a meal that caused him to become ill. Buddha forced himself to travel to Kushinagara, and laid down on his right side to rest in a grove of shala trees. As a crowd of followers gathered, the trees sprouted blossoms and showered them on Buddha. Buddha told Ananda, "I am old and my journey is near its end. My body is like a worn-out cart held together only by the help of leather straps." Three times, Buddha asked the people if they had any questions, but they all remained silent. Finally Buddha said, "Everything that has been created is subject to decay and death. Everything is transitory. Work out your own salvation with diligence. After passing through several states of meditation, the Buddha died, reaching Parinirvana (the cessation of perception and sensation).




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Fri 08/29/08 08:56 AM
On life's journey
Faith is nourishment,
Virtuous deeds are a shelter,
Wisdom is the light by day and
Right mindfulness is the protection by night.
If a man lives a pure life nothing can destroy him;
If he has conquered greed nothing can limit his freedom.


Buddha


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Fri 08/29/08 12:20 PM
One of his students asked Buddha, "Are you the messiah?"
"No", answered Buddha.
"Then are you a healer?"
"No", Buddha replied.
"Then are you a teacher?" the student persisted.
"No, I am not a teacher."
"Then what are you?" asked the student, exasperated.
"I am awake", Buddha replied.


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Fri 08/29/08 01:16 PM
Live in Joy


Live in Joy, In love,
Even among those who hate.

Live in joy, In health,
Even among the afflicted.

Live in joy, In peace,
Even among the troubled.

Look within. Be still.
Free from fear and attachment,
Know the sweet joy of living in the way.

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There is no fire like greed,
No crime like hatred,
No sorrow like separation,
No sickness like hunger of heart,
And no joy like the joy of freedom.

Health, contentment and trust
Are your greatest possessions,
And freedom your greatest joy.

Look within. Be still.
Free from fear and attachment,
Know the sweet joy of living in the way.


from the Dhammapada, Words of the Buddha



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Fri 08/29/08 05:28 PM
If you want others to be happy, practice compassion.
If you want to be happy, practice compassion


The Dalai Lama


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Fri 08/29/08 05:28 PM
Be a lamp unto Yourself


As the Buddha was dying,
Ananda asked
who would be their teacher after death.
He replied to his disciple -

"Be lamps unto yourselves.
Be refuges unto yourselves.
Take yourself no external refuge.
Hold fast to the truth as a lamp.
Hold fast to the truth as a refuge.
Look not for a refuge in anyone besides yourselves.
And those, Ananda, who either now or after I am dead,
Shall be a lamp unto themselves,
Shall betake themselves as no external refuge,
But holding fast to the truth as their lamp,
Holding fast to the truth as their refuge,
Shall not look for refuge to anyone else besides themselves,
It is they who shall reach to the very topmost height;
But they must be anxious to learn."


Quoted in Joseph Goldstein, The Experience of Insight



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Fri 08/29/08 05:39 PM
As human beings we all want to be happy and free from misery.
We have learned that the key to happiness is inner peace.
The greatest obstacles to inner peace are disturbing emotions such as
anger and attachment, fear and suspicion,
while love and compassion, a sense of universal responsibility
are the sources of peace and happiness.


Dalai Lama


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Fri 08/29/08 06:06 PM
Be awake


Love yourself and be awake -
today, tomorrow, always.
First establish yourself in the way,
then teach others,
and so defeat sorrow.
To straighten the crooked
you must first do a harder thing -
straighten yourself.
You are the only master. Who else?
Subdue yourself,
and discover your master.


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Fri 08/29/08 06:10 PM
The Four Reliances


First, rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings,
not on the words;

Second, rely on the teachings,
not on the personality of the teacher;

Third, rely on real wisdom,
not superficial interpretation;

And fourth, rely on the essence of your pure Wisdom Mind,
not on judgmental perceptions.


Traditional Buddhist teaching


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Fri 08/29/08 07:20 PM
Daily Necessities
Tips & pointers for building a spiritual life from scratch


Pray
Meditate
Be aware/Stay awake
Bow
Practise yoga
Feel
Chant and sing
Breathe and smile
Relax/Enjoy/Laugh/Play
Create/Envision
Let Go/Forgive/Accept
Walk/Exercise/Move
Work/Serve/Contribute
Listen/Learn/Enquire
Consider/Reflect
Cultivate oneself/Enhance competencies
Cultivate contentment
Cultivate flexibility
Cultivate friendship and collaboration
Lighten up
Celebrate and appreciate
Dream
Give thanks
Evolve
Love
Share/Give/Receive
Walk softly/Live gently
Expand/Radiate/Dissolve
Simplify
Surrender/Trust
Be born anew


from Awakening The Buddha Within by Lama Surya Das



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Sat 08/30/08 09:35 PM
We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts, we make our world.


Buddha