Tell me the differences between Mccain and Obama. Tell me legitimate differences without the atypical "he's more expierenced", I want to hear the stances on world problems that makes either canidate better suited then the other. What are they going to do for the economy? War policies? And I don't want heresay, I want true honest to God answers.

And this is why I don't do politics, all that seems to come of it is arguing. When brought with a simple question it is ignored in favor of lashing at the next liberal/conservative's throat. So we sit here arguing over stage presence and good looks, rather then the real issues such as foreign policy, stance on the war, the economy even...hell the election might as well be a beauty pageant for how little you all seem to know about it.

My thinking is nobody really knows. They'll say almost anything to get elected and once they get elected they'll probably do something else. But at any rate, I think of the two options we're getting stuck with this time around, both pretty much suck.

I agree with Wiley.

They will both suck.

The only question now is which will suck more destructively?

We are slaves to the two party process.

Obama has a good idea for the economy, though I don't support his decision for the war policy. However it is but an idea and I don't know if he has the experience to pull it off. Whereas Mccain has a better policy for the war, he chose a poor VP canidate in my opinion because she doesn't have near as much experience as might be needed if we see Mccain in his early 70's passing away (he has had several health issues). So either way I see it we are flipping the coin on this one, personally as much as I disliked Hillary's stances on certain things I think she could have done a much better job as the democratic choice.

Thats a tough question. I don't know much about either one. Seems like we don't hear ANYTHING about what they will do or what makes em good. All we hear is how evil/corrupt/incompetent the opponent is.

anytime you try to discuss it reasonably, the dirt slingers come out of the woodworks and then there is no discussion possible

politics of destruction assumes that the common person is an idiot and has to be manipulated by demagoguery and propaganda than actually educated on the issues

I'd suggest instead of asking people here what the constructive differences in policy are between McCain and Obama you go have a look at each candidates websites.

Obama's site http://www.barackobama.com/index.php has some information that might be helpful. I liked the in the Know the Facts section and found useful information throughout the site.

I also found useful information on his opponent's site.

McCain's site http://www.johnmccain.com/convention.htm makes his case in the Why John McCain section.

Both sites of course ask for money and are relatively easy to navigate.

After that I'd suggest looking for some third party evaluations of the candidates. Oh, and information on their respective voting records are available on U.S. government sites.

I've already done my research on both canidates, I was just curious with everyone else since they are so adamently against one or the other canidates.

Both sides want the same thing, they just has differences on how to achieve it.

I revert back to my tread -

1. Both sides want larger federal government.

2. Both sides consider America ruler of the world, and want to continue spending trillions maintaining our empire no matter what the blow back is.

3. Both sides completely ignore our almost 10 trillion $ debt along with almost 45 trillion $ entitlement debt they owe us in Social Security and Medicare. They never talk about it, and its the most important political threat we have.

4. Both sides ignore the constitution at every level.

5. Both sides are working to take the rights and freedoms away from all of us... We actually have a federal seat belt law. We have special taxes on products the Government considers a sin like cigarettes and alcohol, this is a really big deal. In a free society a Government does not legislate morality, it wasn't always like this only within the last 90 years.

Democrats = Socialist
Republicans = Fascists

Change the debate.

So how about you link me to these facts?

Part 1 -Facts to support my first statement that both sides want larger federal government.

1. In the first five years of the Bush regime, federal spending increased 45%.

2. during the eight Clinton years nominal federal spending increased 32%

3. Under Bush I federal spending increased 23% in four years.

Democrats at least talk about increasing the size and scope of federal government. Republicans on the other hand campaign on cutting spending and shrinking federal government, yet no recent republican president has achieved this. Was it problems in congress? Sometimes, but the first 5 years of Bush jr's presidency he more than doubled the department of education and started many new bureaucracy's such as Department of Homeland Security and TSA.
Part 2 - Both sides desire America as an Empire.

1. Reagan - Lebanon, Grenada and the escalation of the Cold War.
2. Bush Sr. - Operation Desert Storm, Persian Gulf War, Panama.
3. Clinton - Kosovo War, Operation Desert Fox, Operation Desert Strike, Operation Uphold Democracy, Battle of Mogadishu.
4. Bush Jr. - Afghanistan, Operation Iraqi Freedom and potentially "Protect Georgia" and "Operation Iran is Evil".

These are just wars and international conflicts we have used our military in. If we actually list other things such as NAFTA and other international imperialistic programs and treaty's the list would be too large.

Part 3 - Each side ignores our national deficit as if it doesn't matter.

Seriously, just re watch the Republican and Democratic debates... Only Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul even mention it... And the subject is not addressed by the others. Or even watch their conventions and campaign speeches.

Part 4 - This is getting too long, I wont go too far in but here ya go.

1. "Fourth Amendment: guards against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant".

The patriot act, is going against this 100%. It is not an amendment of the constitution, therefor is illegal. The constitution is a contract the government has with us, and many people have been jailed illegally.

Part 5 - Our freedoms.
Our Government is starting to make decisions and laws based on personal choices and habits "for our own good".

1. Seatbelt laws - Wow, lol this cracks me up. Some people with older crappy cars their seat belts are uncomfortable, some people are overweight. Should this law really exist, well its for our own good.

2. Motorcycle helmet laws - Most helmets limit your peripheral vision, some people feel their head isn't as free to move to turn and look in different directions.... And most people ride motorcycles as a way to relax and enjoy themselves and like the breeze running through their hair. Wearing a helmet is more safe yes, but do we want government requiring us to be safe.

3. Marijuana - I can't stand the taste, smell or effect of weed. But I will argue to the grave an adults right to smoke a harmless plant. This law started showing up in the late 1930's, and the effects since the strong "drug war" enforcement of the 80's, we see are very much like what happened during prohibitions with alcohol. Did you know a large portion of our country even when it was under control of England did drugs like Weed and Opium? Guess how much crime was affiliated with it? I don't know actually lol, I can't find any. Prohibition and the War on Drugs had the same results.

New laws to come to follow these same lines -

1. No Smoking in public. They are already stepping on the rights of businesses to allow their own customers to take part in a legal activity.

2. High Cholesterol? Over-weight? Heart Problems? Government regulated diets set forth from some huge bureaucracy are coming.

3. Climbing of trees (even on your own property. Considered child neglect. It is dangerous for children and potentially harmful for the tree.

Who knows what else, use your imagination.

Part 6 - My last accusation "Democrats = Socialist
Republicans = Fascists"

Definitions -
1. Socialism - Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

2. Fascism - A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism.

I'm against both. I just finished reading Palin's speech from last night. Parts of that were more of the same crap that we heard from Bush during his campaigns.. And the sheep still swallow it.

I'm thoroughly convinced no matter who wins, we're doomed.

I've been trying to get at this for a while now

It seems all they want to do is attack the other candidate. I'm sick of this. Personally it seems that Obama wants to throw money at many of Bush's old ideas, like, "No child left behind". He also thinks that increasing taxes on corporations will help us. Unfortunately that will be encouraging them to leave the U.S. taking their jobs with them. I do, on the other hand understand the difficulty in giving businesses incentive to stay here, while keeping their jobs here, and at the same time making sure they pay the most tax money...

Anyhow, McCain for the most part, is very much like Bush in his beliefs. But he's looking at giving tax breaks to corporations in the hopes of keeping jobs in the U.S. Who know's who has the better philosophy on that...

I am very much taking a Libertarian view politically. We need the shrinking centralized government. States should have more power. You take away the IRS, and let states deal with thier own taxes you will find corruption decrease. Our forefathers started a system where no one could get too powerful. "Checks and balances", we need to focus on that first. When one person has the power to regulate another noone gets too powerful. Not to mention, the fall back plans for corruption at state levels is supposed to be the federal government, and the fall back for the federal government's corruption is supposed to be the people of America. In order to do this you need freedom of speech so people can be informed. The right to bear arms to keep the government from forcing their tyranny on us, etc. These freedoms should never be questioned.

BTW Cheers to you Liberterian. I agree with you completely.

Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.
-Thomas Jefferson

This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins.
-Benjamin Franklin

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
_Benjamin Franklin

Thank you Drivin, as well as Liberterian.

Personally at this point I would have liked to see Ron Paul get the nomination, he had the best economical plan and he was more for the people then either candidate has shown so far. I will put in Ron Paul in my ballot.

Part 6 - My last accusation "Democrats = Socialist
Republicans = Fascists"

Definitions -
1. Socialism - Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

2. Fascism - A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism.



I disagree with you that REPS are fascists. REPS believe in the basic laws according to the BoR's & the constitution. I believe in states rights over big Fed. govt. The reason REPS have been unsuccessful...all you have to do is look at how they went after people like Newt Gingrich for daring to cut spending. What side did the people take when they had the budget battle with sick willie?

People say they want govt. out of their lives but not if it's going to affect THEM. That's the problem. US!

BTW...in case people think we are a democracy...that's wrong too. We are a REPUBLIC form of govt. Meaning representative of all the states. Which is why we have electoral votes per state. Your entire assumption is so misguided.

Republicans = Fascists"

Oh I agree

NO WAY!!! You don't like republicans? Sure you're just not "hiding in the closet"?