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Exposed: McCain team includes 83 Wall Street lobbyists
John Byrne Published: Wednesday September 17, 2008 As Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) rails against Wall Street while concurrently benefiting from its largesse, some journalists are getting tired. David Corn -- an investigative reporter formerly with The Nation and currently reporting for Mother Jones -- has printed a list of 83 Wall Street lobbyists he says are working for or have bundled contributions for McCain. The Democratic National Committee has previously accused McCain of using 177 lobbyists either as campaign aides, advisers or fundraisers. Corn notes that former Sen. Phil Gramm, the Arizona senator's onetime campaign chairman and economic adviser, slipped into law a provision that kept credit default swaps unregulated, dramatically kindling to the current financial fires. "Of those 177 lobbyists, according to a Mother Jones review of Senate and House records, at least 83 have in recent years lobbied for the financial industry McCain now attacks," Corn writes. "These are high-paid influence-peddlers who have been working the corridors of the nation's capital to win favors and special treatment for investment banks, securities firms, hedge funds, accounting outfits, and insurance companies. Their clients have included AIG, the newest symbol of corporate excess; Lehman Brothers, which filed for bankruptcy on Monday sending the stock market into a tailspin; Merrill Lynch, which was bought out by Bank of America this week; and Washington Mutual, the banking giant that could be the next to fall. "Among these 83 lobbyists are McCain's chief political adviser, Charlie Black (JP Morgan, Washington Mutual Bank, Freddie Mac, Mortgage Bankers Association of America); McCain's national finance co-chairman, Wayne Berman (AIG, Blackstone, Credit Suisse, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac); the campaign's congressional liaison, John Green (Carlyle Group, Citigroup, Icahn Associates, Fannie Mae); McCain's veep vetter, Arthur Culvahouse (Fannie Mae); and McCain's transition planning chief, William Timmons Sr. (Citigroup, Freddie Mac, Vanguard Group)." Obama's anti-lobbyist rhetoric, meanwhile, has irked other reporters, among them Newsweek's Michael Isikoff. Isikoff noted that Obama's chief strategist, David Axelrod, worked for a firm that hoodwinked Illinois consumers by convincing them a California-style crises would befall them unless they increased electric rates. Axelrod adamantly denied the charge. "I've never lobbied anybody in my life," he said. "I've never talked to any public official on behalf of a corporate client." Obama also put James Johnson, the former CEO of Fannie Mae, on his vice presidential search committee team. Johnson resigned in June. The full McCain list is printed below. ### Phil Anderson: American Council of Life Insurers, Aetna, AIG, New York Life, MassMutual, VISA Rebecca Anderson: Aegon, American Council of Life Insurers, Cigna, Barclays, Credit Suisse First Boston, HSBC Stanton Anderson: The Debt Exchange David Beightol: Allstate, Amerigroup, Charles Schwab, HSBC Rhonda Bentz: VISA Wayne Berman: American Council of Life Insurers, AIG, Americhoice, Shinsei Bank, Blackstone, Carlyle Group, Broidy Capital Management, Credit Suisse Securities, Highstar Capital, VISA, Ameriquest Mortgage, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Fitch Ratings Charlie Black: JP Morgan, Washington Mutual Bank, Freddie Mac, Mortgage Bankers Association of America, National Association of Mortgage Brokers Judy Black: Colorado Credit Union League, Genworth Financial, Bay Harbour Management, Merrill Lynch Kirk Blalock: Credit Union National Association, Financial Executives International, American Insurance Association, Mutual of Omaha, Zurich Financial Service Group, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco Carlos Bonilla: Financial Services Roundtable, Freddie Mac Christine Burgeson: Citigroup Mark Buse: Freddie Mac, Goldman Sachs, Manufacturers Life Insurance Company Nicholas Calio: Citigroup, Managed Fund Association, Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, The Investment Company Institute, TIAA-CRE, Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association Ben Nighthorse Campbell: Amscot Financial Corporation, Community Financial Services Association, Fidelity National Financial Andrew Cantor: American Insurance Association, Merrill Lynch Alberto Cardenas: Fannie Mae James Courter: Goldman Sachs, Donaldson Lufkin & Jenrette, Investment Company Institute, Merrill Lynch David Crane: Financial Services Roundtable, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Deloitte & Touche, KPMG, Ernst & Young, Bank of America, Association of Corporate Credit Unions, Freddie Mac Dan Crippen: Merrill Lynch, National Multi-Housing Council Arthur Culvahouse: Fannie Mae Bryan Cunningham: Arch Capital Group Alfonse D'Amato: AIG, Freddie Mac Doug Davenport: Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Goldman Sachs, VISA Ashley Davis: Prudential Financial, American Financial Group, American Premier Underwriters, Great American Insurance Company Mimi Dawson: MassMutual Melissa Edwards: Freddie Mac, National Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts, Access to Capital Coalition Chris Fidler: American Bankers Association, Milcom Venture Partners, National Association Real Estate Investment Trusts Samuel Geduldig: American Bankers Association, American Institute of CPAs, America Gains, Berkshire Hathaway, Consumer Bankers Association, Ernst & Young, Financial Services Roundtable, Investment Company Institute, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Prudential Financial, Sovereign Investment Council, Fidelity Investments, FMR Corp. Benjamin Ginsberg: Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance, AIG Technical Services David Girard-Dicarlo: American Financial Group, American Premier Underwriters Juleanna Glover Weiss: RJI Capital, American Institute of CPAs, BNP Paribas, Ernst & Young, PriceWaterhouseCoopers Slade Gorton: Allstate Insurance, Hannan Armstrong Capital Phil Gramm: UBS Americas John Green: Laredo National Bank, Alternative Investment Management Association, AIG, Blackstone Group, Carlyle Group, Citigroup, Credit Suisse Group, Fannie Mae, Icahn Associates, FMR Corp., AFLAC, VISA Janet Grissom: American Institute of CPAs, NYSE, Merrill Lynch Kristen Gullott: San Diego Credit Union Kent Hance: Stanford Financial Group, Municipal Capital Markets Group, Inc. Vicki Hart: American Financial Services Association, Citigroup, Investment Company Institute, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, New York Stock Exchange, VISA, Carlyle Group, Credit Suisse, Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis, Goldman Sachs, National Association of Government Guaranteed Lenders, Stanford Group, Lloyd's of London, National City Corp. Richard Hohlt: Capmark Financial Group, Fannie Mae, JP Morgan Chase and Co., Student Loan Marketing Association, Washington Mutual, Guaranty Bank & Trust, Peachtree Settlement Funding, Dime Savings Bank of New York Gaylord Hughey: Heartland Security Insurance Group Kate Hull: Credit Union National Association, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Zurich Financial Services, American Insurance Association, Financial Executives International James Hyland: American Insurance Association, Seattle Home Loan Bank, Self Help Credit Union, National Association of Bankruptcy Trustees, Merrill Lynch, Mortgage Investors Corp., Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis, Freddie Mac, New York Stock Exchange, Citigroup, VISA Aleix Jarvis: Credit Union National Association, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Financial Executives International, Mutual of Omaha, American Insurance Association, Zurich Financial Services Greg Jenner: American Council of Life Insurers, JG Wentworth, UBS, VISA, PriceWaterhouseCoopers Frank Keating: American Council of Life Insurers Steven Kuykendall: California Bankers Association William Lesher: Chicago Mercantile Exchange, Commerce Ventures, Rabobank International Thomas Loeffler: Citigroup, Fannie Mae, Investment Company Institute, World Savings and Loan Association, United Services Automobile Association (USAA) Kelly Lugar: RJI Capital Strategies Peter Madigan: Arthur Andersen, Bank of New York, Broadridge Securities Processing, Charles Schwab, Deloitte and Touche, Goldman Sachs, International Employee Stock Option Coalition, Mastercard, NYSE, Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, PNC Bank Mary Mann: MassMutual Paul Martino: Morgan Stanley, Baker Tilly Jana McKeag: Venture Catalyst Alison McSlarrow: Fannie Mae, Hartford Mike Meece: Georgetown Partners David Metzner: Ernst & Young, Harbinger Capital Investments, Prudential, Public Financial Management, Western Union Susan Molinari: Freddie Mac, American Land Title Association, Association of Consumer Credit Unions, Beacon Capital Partners, College Loan Corp, Coventry First, E-Trade, Financial Services Roundtable, Rent-A-Center John Moran: Cerberus Capital Management, American Council of Life Insurers, Accenture John Napier: Freddie Mac Susan Nelson: AIG, San Antonio Credit Union Paul Otellini: Ernst & Young, Financial Services Forum Steve Perry: Charles Schwab, Hoover Partners, HSBC, National Stock Exchange Nancy Pfotenhauer: American Land Title Association, Mortgage Bankers Association Elise Pickering-Finley: Credit Suisse, DE Shaw, Hartford Financial Services, Research In Motion, Retail Industry Lenders Association, URL Mutual James Pitts: Advanced Association for Life Underwriting, AETNA, American Council of Life Insurers, AIG, Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers, Debt Advisory International, Financial Services Coordinating Council, GE Financial Assurance, Hartford Life, Jefferson Pilot Financial, Kenwood Investments, MassMutual, Mutual of Omaha, New York Life, UNUM Provident, VISA, PMI Group Tim Powers: AP Capital, Genworth Financial, Retail Industry Lenders Association, E-LOAN, General Electric Mortgage Insurance Walter Price: Wachovia Sloan Rappoport: Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group, Inc. (FBR), Trafelet Delta Funds Hans Rickhoff: Capital One, Investment Company Institute, United Services Automobile Association (USAA) Kathleen Shanahan: New York Stock Exchange Andrew Shore: Accenture, Retail Industry Lenders Association, Barclays, Bond Market Association, Credit Suisse, TPG Capital Katie Stahl: Alliance for Investment Transparency, Ares Management, Fairfax Financial Holdings, Uhlmann Financial Group Milly Stanges: TIAA-CREF Aquiles Suarez: Fannie Mae Don Sundquist: Freddie Mac, The Hartford Peter Terpeluk: JP Morgan Chase, Ernst & Young, Prudential Fred Thompson: Equitas Jeri Thompson: American Insurance Association John Timmons: National Association of Federal Credit Unions William Timmons Sr.: American Council of Life Insurers, Citigroup, Dun & Bradstreet, Freddie Mac, Vanguard Group Vin Weber: Agstar Financial Services, AKT Investment Corp., American Institute of CPAs, Ernst & Young, Freddie Mac, Louis Dreyfus Corp, PriceWaterhouseCoopers Jeffery Weiss: JP Morgan Tony Williams: Russell Investment Group, American Life Inc., Northwestern Mutual -------------------------------------------------- Dang, that's a heckuva list... now can we expect one person in the so called "liberal" media to ask him about this? I doubt it. |
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Exposed: McCain team includes 83 Wall Street lobbyists John Byrne Published: Wednesday September 17, 2008 As Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) rails against Wall Street while concurrently benefiting from its largesse, some journalists are getting tired. David Corn -- an investigative reporter formerly with The Nation and currently reporting for Mother Jones -- has printed a list of 83 Wall Street lobbyists he says are working for or have bundled contributions for McCain. The Democratic National Committee has previously accused McCain of using 177 lobbyists either as campaign aides, advisers or fundraisers. Corn notes that former Sen. Phil Gramm, the Arizona senator's onetime campaign chairman and economic adviser, slipped into law a provision that kept credit default swaps unregulated, dramatically kindling to the current financial fires. "Of those 177 lobbyists, according to a Mother Jones review of Senate and House records, at least 83 have in recent years lobbied for the financial industry McCain now attacks," Corn writes. "These are high-paid influence-peddlers who have been working the corridors of the nation's capital to win favors and special treatment for investment banks, securities firms, hedge funds, accounting outfits, and insurance companies. Their clients have included AIG, the newest symbol of corporate excess; Lehman Brothers, which filed for bankruptcy on Monday sending the stock market into a tailspin; Merrill Lynch, which was bought out by Bank of America this week; and Washington Mutual, the banking giant that could be the next to fall. "Among these 83 lobbyists are McCain's chief political adviser, Charlie Black (JP Morgan, Washington Mutual Bank, Freddie Mac, Mortgage Bankers Association of America); McCain's national finance co-chairman, Wayne Berman (AIG, Blackstone, Credit Suisse, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac); the campaign's congressional liaison, John Green (Carlyle Group, Citigroup, Icahn Associates, Fannie Mae); McCain's veep vetter, Arthur Culvahouse (Fannie Mae); and McCain's transition planning chief, William Timmons Sr. (Citigroup, Freddie Mac, Vanguard Group)." Obama's anti-lobbyist rhetoric, meanwhile, has irked other reporters, among them Newsweek's Michael Isikoff. Isikoff noted that Obama's chief strategist, David Axelrod, worked for a firm that hoodwinked Illinois consumers by convincing them a California-style crises would befall them unless they increased electric rates. Axelrod adamantly denied the charge. "I've never lobbied anybody in my life," he said. "I've never talked to any public official on behalf of a corporate client." Obama also put James Johnson, the former CEO of Fannie Mae, on his vice presidential search committee team. Johnson resigned in June. The full McCain list is printed below. ### Phil Anderson: American Council of Life Insurers, Aetna, AIG, New York Life, MassMutual, VISA Rebecca Anderson: Aegon, American Council of Life Insurers, Cigna, Barclays, Credit Suisse First Boston, HSBC Stanton Anderson: The Debt Exchange David Beightol: Allstate, Amerigroup, Charles Schwab, HSBC Rhonda Bentz: VISA Wayne Berman: American Council of Life Insurers, AIG, Americhoice, Shinsei Bank, Blackstone, Carlyle Group, Broidy Capital Management, Credit Suisse Securities, Highstar Capital, VISA, Ameriquest Mortgage, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Fitch Ratings Charlie Black: JP Morgan, Washington Mutual Bank, Freddie Mac, Mortgage Bankers Association of America, National Association of Mortgage Brokers Judy Black: Colorado Credit Union League, Genworth Financial, Bay Harbour Management, Merrill Lynch Kirk Blalock: Credit Union National Association, Financial Executives International, American Insurance Association, Mutual of Omaha, Zurich Financial Service Group, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco Carlos Bonilla: Financial Services Roundtable, Freddie Mac Christine Burgeson: Citigroup Mark Buse: Freddie Mac, Goldman Sachs, Manufacturers Life Insurance Company Nicholas Calio: Citigroup, Managed Fund Association, Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, The Investment Company Institute, TIAA-CRE, Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association Ben Nighthorse Campbell: Amscot Financial Corporation, Community Financial Services Association, Fidelity National Financial Andrew Cantor: American Insurance Association, Merrill Lynch Alberto Cardenas: Fannie Mae James Courter: Goldman Sachs, Donaldson Lufkin & Jenrette, Investment Company Institute, Merrill Lynch David Crane: Financial Services Roundtable, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Deloitte & Touche, KPMG, Ernst & Young, Bank of America, Association of Corporate Credit Unions, Freddie Mac Dan Crippen: Merrill Lynch, National Multi-Housing Council Arthur Culvahouse: Fannie Mae Bryan Cunningham: Arch Capital Group Alfonse D'Amato: AIG, Freddie Mac Doug Davenport: Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Goldman Sachs, VISA Ashley Davis: Prudential Financial, American Financial Group, American Premier Underwriters, Great American Insurance Company Mimi Dawson: MassMutual Melissa Edwards: Freddie Mac, National Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts, Access to Capital Coalition Chris Fidler: American Bankers Association, Milcom Venture Partners, National Association Real Estate Investment Trusts Samuel Geduldig: American Bankers Association, American Institute of CPAs, America Gains, Berkshire Hathaway, Consumer Bankers Association, Ernst & Young, Financial Services Roundtable, Investment Company Institute, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Prudential Financial, Sovereign Investment Council, Fidelity Investments, FMR Corp. Benjamin Ginsberg: Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance, AIG Technical Services David Girard-Dicarlo: American Financial Group, American Premier Underwriters Juleanna Glover Weiss: RJI Capital, American Institute of CPAs, BNP Paribas, Ernst & Young, PriceWaterhouseCoopers Slade Gorton: Allstate Insurance, Hannan Armstrong Capital Phil Gramm: UBS Americas John Green: Laredo National Bank, Alternative Investment Management Association, AIG, Blackstone Group, Carlyle Group, Citigroup, Credit Suisse Group, Fannie Mae, Icahn Associates, FMR Corp., AFLAC, VISA Janet Grissom: American Institute of CPAs, NYSE, Merrill Lynch Kristen Gullott: San Diego Credit Union Kent Hance: Stanford Financial Group, Municipal Capital Markets Group, Inc. Vicki Hart: American Financial Services Association, Citigroup, Investment Company Institute, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, New York Stock Exchange, VISA, Carlyle Group, Credit Suisse, Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis, Goldman Sachs, National Association of Government Guaranteed Lenders, Stanford Group, Lloyd's of London, National City Corp. Richard Hohlt: Capmark Financial Group, Fannie Mae, JP Morgan Chase and Co., Student Loan Marketing Association, Washington Mutual, Guaranty Bank & Trust, Peachtree Settlement Funding, Dime Savings Bank of New York Gaylord Hughey: Heartland Security Insurance Group Kate Hull: Credit Union National Association, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Zurich Financial Services, American Insurance Association, Financial Executives International James Hyland: American Insurance Association, Seattle Home Loan Bank, Self Help Credit Union, National Association of Bankruptcy Trustees, Merrill Lynch, Mortgage Investors Corp., Federal Home Loan Bank of Indianapolis, Freddie Mac, New York Stock Exchange, Citigroup, VISA Aleix Jarvis: Credit Union National Association, Fannie Mae, Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, Financial Executives International, Mutual of Omaha, American Insurance Association, Zurich Financial Services Greg Jenner: American Council of Life Insurers, JG Wentworth, UBS, VISA, PriceWaterhouseCoopers Frank Keating: American Council of Life Insurers Steven Kuykendall: California Bankers Association William Lesher: Chicago Mercantile Exchange, Commerce Ventures, Rabobank International Thomas Loeffler: Citigroup, Fannie Mae, Investment Company Institute, World Savings and Loan Association, United Services Automobile Association (USAA) Kelly Lugar: RJI Capital Strategies Peter Madigan: Arthur Andersen, Bank of New York, Broadridge Securities Processing, Charles Schwab, Deloitte and Touche, Goldman Sachs, International Employee Stock Option Coalition, Mastercard, NYSE, Fannie Mae, Merrill Lynch, PNC Bank Mary Mann: MassMutual Paul Martino: Morgan Stanley, Baker Tilly Jana McKeag: Venture Catalyst Alison McSlarrow: Fannie Mae, Hartford Mike Meece: Georgetown Partners David Metzner: Ernst & Young, Harbinger Capital Investments, Prudential, Public Financial Management, Western Union Susan Molinari: Freddie Mac, American Land Title Association, Association of Consumer Credit Unions, Beacon Capital Partners, College Loan Corp, Coventry First, E-Trade, Financial Services Roundtable, Rent-A-Center John Moran: Cerberus Capital Management, American Council of Life Insurers, Accenture John Napier: Freddie Mac Susan Nelson: AIG, San Antonio Credit Union Paul Otellini: Ernst & Young, Financial Services Forum Steve Perry: Charles Schwab, Hoover Partners, HSBC, National Stock Exchange Nancy Pfotenhauer: American Land Title Association, Mortgage Bankers Association Elise Pickering-Finley: Credit Suisse, DE Shaw, Hartford Financial Services, Research In Motion, Retail Industry Lenders Association, URL Mutual James Pitts: Advanced Association for Life Underwriting, AETNA, American Council of Life Insurers, AIG, Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers, Debt Advisory International, Financial Services Coordinating Council, GE Financial Assurance, Hartford Life, Jefferson Pilot Financial, Kenwood Investments, MassMutual, Mutual of Omaha, New York Life, UNUM Provident, VISA, PMI Group Tim Powers: AP Capital, Genworth Financial, Retail Industry Lenders Association, E-LOAN, General Electric Mortgage Insurance Walter Price: Wachovia Sloan Rappoport: Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group, Inc. (FBR), Trafelet Delta Funds Hans Rickhoff: Capital One, Investment Company Institute, United Services Automobile Association (USAA) Kathleen Shanahan: New York Stock Exchange Andrew Shore: Accenture, Retail Industry Lenders Association, Barclays, Bond Market Association, Credit Suisse, TPG Capital Katie Stahl: Alliance for Investment Transparency, Ares Management, Fairfax Financial Holdings, Uhlmann Financial Group Milly Stanges: TIAA-CREF Aquiles Suarez: Fannie Mae Don Sundquist: Freddie Mac, The Hartford Peter Terpeluk: JP Morgan Chase, Ernst & Young, Prudential Fred Thompson: Equitas Jeri Thompson: American Insurance Association John Timmons: National Association of Federal Credit Unions William Timmons Sr.: American Council of Life Insurers, Citigroup, Dun & Bradstreet, Freddie Mac, Vanguard Group Vin Weber: Agstar Financial Services, AKT Investment Corp., American Institute of CPAs, Ernst & Young, Freddie Mac, Louis Dreyfus Corp, PriceWaterhouseCoopers Jeffery Weiss: JP Morgan Tony Williams: Russell Investment Group, American Life Inc., Northwestern Mutual -------------------------------------------------- Dang, that's a heckuva list... now can we expect one person in the so called "liberal" media to ask him about this? I doubt it. Great information! It's too bad that enough people either don't know about this or seem to care! Perhaps they're caught up in the Spin Zone! |
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overblown
bundling contributions and identifying bundlers as advisors and staff and puppeteers is a stretch. but nobumswithbidets had dinner with the hollywood crowd last night in beverly hells @ 28,000 a plate w/ pics too!!!! those manicured little fingers were quick to pick up a cool 9 million from the rich and whacky libtard elite of fantasyland. he is going to busy paying for his little attack ads in this style with panache while his high rent army canvasses the nation looking for dirt and checking homeless shelters for prospective voters. Life is good. ![]() |
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Spin...
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More like the truth hurts...
It blows your 'assumptions" (Which is what they are to begin with) |
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More like the truth hurts... It blows your 'assumptions" (Which is what they are to begin with) Assumptions don't name names of people collecting checks. This is who's running McCain's campaign, the exact same folks who've helped usurp the Republic. If thats what you want to support, you might as well vote for Ben Bernake. |
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..and they had ALOT OF HELP FROM DEMS!
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Thanks, you just help solidify my position that both parties are holding hands with special interests to the detriment of our nation.
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Fri 09/19/08 09:34 PM
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civil war is inevitable.
but the coup of the executive branch with a complicitous Congress has to be waited for or the American people will not join the fight. survivalists and militias anyone? I bet two dozen phone calls is all anyone need make to find any one of them. you think about that. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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civil war is inevitable. but the coup of the executive branch with a complicitous Congress has to be waited for or the American people will not join the fight. survivalists and militias anyone? I bet two dozen phone calls is all anyone need make to find any one of them. you think about that. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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nothing will fix this mess short of civil war.
The centrist middle of the road is where its best to look for what time it is right now, but it won't help anything in the long run. It just keeps the extremists in the weeds taunting the rest. This nation has lost it's center. It used to be Jesus Christ. The country understood the quiet nuances. Now , the country wants to deliberately reject those nuances in full tilt reckless abandon. so be it. but all that does is divide this nation and fragment consensus building. Diversity is an oxymoronic yardstick. We are Americans, and Americans do not even know what that means. So, civil war is inevitable. urban and rural and no room for suburbia to sit on the fence and watch anymore. the gunbattles will be in the cities. the cities will wage a campaign to strafe the land of heat reflections and use the land for growing crops for the cities. but the human to human battle will be in the cities where the weak dwell, not in the hills where the "boogeyman" is. I don't know when, but I do know why. money, power and control over slavery and indentured servitude. so keep playing house and ignorewhat destroyed this nation. like 'poco' said, "I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us". I am a cynic, and I am a faithful man to the Lord, but I have absolutely no faith or hope left that tyhis nation will ever again enjoy the grace of God that built the freedom and liberty to trash the very goods thing that made this very bad thing possible. whatever. in the meantime..... nobama 200,,,,ever. ![]() |
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Your earlier post reminded me of something Wouldee, so I thought I'd share it with you.
American Militia - Media Spin These guys are crazy, this could never happen in America. Why this is almost as absurd as Lehman Bros. going bankrupt, or Merrill Lynch selling out for a mere $50 billion… ![]() http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzJ7VfCsvEc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoN6FPw-i4s What's your take on this old video? |
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Fri 09/19/08 10:59 PM
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phil donohue spouts to hear himself.
he never learned a thing from them. i bounced through it, but i know where he is coming from and where these militia are coming from. it is everywhere. see? you didn't even have to make ONE... I will repeat that for everyone... ONE phone call to find them. ![]() |
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