Topic: What about the stimulus to stimulate the economy?
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Mon 11/10/08 07:31 PM






Until the streets are taken back by the decent people,until the broken trust between the cops and the residents of poor areas is restored,I don't see education helping when you can make more money selling heroin then a real job.


Some people believe that's a fight you cant when. That legalization is the answer. Does the war on drugs work? Thats a whole new story by its own.I guess what I was trying convey is that problems of the poor stretch far beyond that!


legalization is not the answer..plenty of controlled "legal if u got a script" substances being sold like CANDY on the streets right now.
and these people, lemme tell ya, are more worried about getting their pill than food.
they would even shoot your house up if they knew you had enopgh PSHT inside.

is this going to be fixed by legalizing heroin or crack/cocaine??
i doubt it. just would create more problems.

availability of good decent jobs is the only answer. u make more money dealing than by working. and if you work the GOV system while dealing...well the only thing left to do is to sit back and get wasted..

In my eyes alcohol is the worst drug when abused. It legal and don't need a script


alcohol is cheap. and sure its dangerous. and it KILLLS. eats your body from the inside.

an alcholic is different from a heroin or crack addict though., people dont usually kill for alcohol. like i said its cheap.
I dont know if I agree with that. Alcholism is a strong addiction. Maybe we just pass it off as being legal.

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Mon 11/10/08 07:33 PM


Well, if you all are talking about drug problems, let's talk about more drug rehabs.

Addicts rarely have health insurance so they can hardly get into a rehab. Then there's the waiting lists. They are months long. The VA here has had their monies cut back so much and the waiting list is long so the vets only get 2 wks. of rehab and that's like getting a long detox.

So...if we're going to the ghetto where drugs are more common and we offer them jobs, methinks that they need to get into rehab first. If they will accept.

Which actually boils down to the fact that they don't have insurance for it.

Just my 2 cents.


nope...once your hooked on drugs...its hard to get off (hence the cycle)
if your addiction hits eal hard...you'll be seen in the er.

you can TREAT somebodys drug problem (psych, MORE MEDS 9benzos. methadone)
but raelly...is that solving anything???
most of these treatments arent very effective.
thing is TEACH TO SAY NOOOOOOOOO
who the crap listens though????
You can be seen in the ER. Now you really hit a nerve. Do you want to debate the costs. Not just for that addict going but for all of us!!!!

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Mon 11/10/08 07:38 PM
Edited by catwoman96 on Mon 11/10/08 07:39 PM



Well, if you all are talking about drug problems, let's talk about more drug rehabs.

Addicts rarely have health insurance so they can hardly get into a rehab. Then there's the waiting lists. They are months long. The VA here has had their monies cut back so much and the waiting list is long so the vets only get 2 wks. of rehab and that's like getting a long detox.

So...if we're going to the ghetto where drugs are more common and we offer them jobs, methinks that they need to get into rehab first. If they will accept.

Which actually boils down to the fact that they don't have insurance for it.

Just my 2 cents.


nope...once your hooked on drugs...its hard to get off (hence the cycle)
if your addiction hits eal hard...you'll be seen in the er.

you can TREAT somebodys drug problem (psych, MORE MEDS 9benzos. methadone)
but raelly...is that solving anything???
most of these treatments arent very effective.
thing is TEACH TO SAY NOOOOOOOOO
who the crap listens though????
You can be seen in the ER. Now you really hit a nerve. Do you want to debate the costs. Not just for that addict going but for all of us!!!!


im jsut saying its funny when the solution to treat ADDICTION....mostly revolves around CREATING a less harmful(??) addiction.

do u want to debate the use of benzodiazepines....in treating WITHDRAWL and addiction???

an addict has a certain part of their brain that has been turned ON. have u ever been to AA?????
cuz my dear I have sat through AA and NA meetings. addiction is battled daily..just like if u had diabetes.

THERE IS NO CURE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mon 11/10/08 07:39 PM
Edited by Winx on Mon 11/10/08 07:43 PM


Well, if you all are talking about drug problems, let's talk about more drug rehabs.

Addicts rarely have health insurance so they can hardly get into a rehab. Then there's the waiting lists. They are months long. The VA here has had their monies cut back so much and the waiting list is long so the vets only get 2 wks. of rehab and that's like getting a long detox.

So...if we're going to the ghetto where drugs are more common and we offer them jobs, methinks that they need to get into rehab first. If they will accept.

Which actually boils down to the fact that they don't have insurance for it.

Just my 2 cents.


nope...once your hooked on drugs...its hard to get off (hence the cycle)
if your addiction hits eal hard...you'll be seen in the er.

you can TREAT somebodys drug problem (psych, MORE MEDS 9benzos. methadone)
but raelly...is that solving anything???
most of these treatments arent very effective.
thing is TEACH TO SAY NOOOOOOOOO
who the crap listens though????


I've worked in the dual diagnosis unit at the VA. It's drug rehab. I know a lot about it.

This weekend I attended a good friends one year birthday at NA. There were people there with 10 and 15 years clean from crack and less time too. I have sat through AA and NA meetings with my friend and when I worked in rehab.

Those people are better parents now and working and contributing to society. It happens. Treatments are effective when the person wants it. It needs to be available to them.



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Mon 11/10/08 07:42 PM
Im not saying that rehab treatments for the addiction arent a decent program. (although I weouldnt want to see any more money put into that VS JOBS)


but hey, once an addict...a svere one..u destroy your body. your liver. your kidneys. your effin HEART!!
this is what is seen in the ER> the EMREGNET complications.
ive never treated an addict in a long term facility..but many times ive medicated/sedated/tied down/held hands with an addict who has already DESTROYED their body

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Mon 11/10/08 07:45 PM
Why don't we just take the money and buy the crack for them? That way they don't have to steal for it and the crime rate would go way down

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Mon 11/10/08 07:48 PM

Why don't we just take the money and buy the crack for them? That way they don't have to steal for it and the crime rate would go way down


noway

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Mon 11/10/08 07:50 PM
Edited by Unknow on Mon 11/10/08 07:51 PM

Im not saying that rehab treatments for the addiction arent a decent program. (although I weouldnt want to see any more money put into that VS JOBS)


but hey, once an addict...a svere one..u destroy your body. your liver. your kidneys. your effin HEART!!
this is what is seen in the ER> the EMREGNET complications.
ive never treated an addict in a long term facility..but many times ive medicated/sedated/tied down/held hands with an addict who has already DESTROYED their body
Er again, that's the answer to health care. You have said addiction is not curable. So it must be a disease. Im am tired and getting off, but Look forward to talking about this whole ER treatment..Everyone be safeflowerforyou

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Mon 11/10/08 07:54 PM


Im not saying that rehab treatments for the addiction arent a decent program. (although I weouldnt want to see any more money put into that VS JOBS)


but hey, once an addict...a svere one..u destroy your body. your liver. your kidneys. your effin HEART!!
this is what is seen in the ER> the EMREGNET complications.
ive never treated an addict in a long term facility..but many times ive medicated/sedated/tied down/held hands with an addict who has already DESTROYED their body
Er again, that's the answer to health care. You have said addiction is not curable. So it must be a disease. Im am tired and getting off, but Look forward to talking about this whole ER treatment..Everyone be safeflowerforyou


It is a disease. It's in the DSM book, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. That's where doctors obtain their diagonsis.

Good night.waving

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Mon 11/10/08 08:10 PM
addiction is a diesaes..just like diabetes did i NOT say that???


are we going to know talk about blood sugars and how they destroy the body??? and how it isnt fair??? should we debate WHY you want to treat an addict BEFORE a diabetic???

im not sure.

i was jsut trying to say..we need JOBS. we need to spend MONEY giving AMERICANS jobs and not shipping them out of seas. i could give a **** less about REPAYING china.
theay are already making enough money offa us.


my panties...chris..made elsewhare. im talking economics and im taking my shirt OFFF

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Mon 11/10/08 08:22 PM



Well, if you all are talking about drug problems, let's talk about more drug rehabs.

Addicts rarely have health insurance so they can hardly get into a rehab. Then there's the waiting lists. They are months long. The VA here has had their monies cut back so much and the waiting list is long so the vets only get 2 wks. of rehab and that's like getting a long detox.

So...if we're going to the ghetto where drugs are more common and we offer them jobs, methinks that they need to get into rehab first. If they will accept.

Which actually boils down to the fact that they don't have insurance for it.

Just my 2 cents.


nope...once your hooked on drugs...its hard to get off (hence the cycle)
if your addiction hits eal hard...you'll be seen in the er.

you can TREAT somebodys drug problem (psych, MORE MEDS 9benzos. methadone)
but raelly...is that solving anything???
most of these treatments arent very effective.
thing is TEACH TO SAY NOOOOOOOOO
who the crap listens though????


I've worked in the dual diagnosis unit at the VA. It's drug rehab. I know a lot about it.

This weekend I attended a good friends one year birthday at NA. There were people there with 10 and 15 years clean from crack and less time too. I have sat through AA and NA meetings with my friend and when I worked in rehab.

Those people are better parents now and working and contributing to society. It happens. Treatments are effective when the person wants it. It needs to be available to them.





key point they HAVE to want it...more than they want their "drug" be it a legal drug or an illegal one.
who pays for AA or NA winx, btw...is this a government program........or is it a POEPLE run program??
idk, im curious

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Mon 11/10/08 08:28 PM




Well, if you all are talking about drug problems, let's talk about more drug rehabs.

Addicts rarely have health insurance so they can hardly get into a rehab. Then there's the waiting lists. They are months long. The VA here has had their monies cut back so much and the waiting list is long so the vets only get 2 wks. of rehab and that's like getting a long detox.

So...if we're going to the ghetto where drugs are more common and we offer them jobs, methinks that they need to get into rehab first. If they will accept.

Which actually boils down to the fact that they don't have insurance for it.

Just my 2 cents.


nope...once your hooked on drugs...its hard to get off (hence the cycle)
if your addiction hits eal hard...you'll be seen in the er.

you can TREAT somebodys drug problem (psych, MORE MEDS 9benzos. methadone)
but raelly...is that solving anything???
most of these treatments arent very effective.
thing is TEACH TO SAY NOOOOOOOOO
who the crap listens though????


I've worked in the dual diagnosis unit at the VA. It's drug rehab. I know a lot about it.

This weekend I attended a good friends one year birthday at NA. There were people there with 10 and 15 years clean from crack and less time too. I have sat through AA and NA meetings with my friend and when I worked in rehab.

Those people are better parents now and working and contributing to society. It happens. Treatments are effective when the person wants it. It needs to be available to them.





key point they HAVE to want it...more than they want their "drug" be it a legal drug or an illegal one.
who pays for AA or NA winx, btw...is this a government program........or is it a POEPLE run program??
idk, im curious


Each meeting location is a group and like their own business. They pass a basket around to pay for their supplies and coffee. I don't know if the main company contributes anything. I can find out though.

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Mon 11/10/08 08:33 PM
DISEASES, have exacerbations.....points in time when they flare up and cause intense pain or other problems. like ANY disease.

that is what is seen in hospitals, ACUTE vs CHRONIC complications.

im not saying this shouldnt OR donesnt need to be treated just like it was diabtese or heart disease.
im just questioning for ONE the treatment.
there is no CURE. can we agree on this???

they point is like for heart disease or diabetes.
change your diet. EXERCISE

LIFESTYLKE CHANGES
and UNTILL you want that, no amount of treatment is gonna change anything.


GIVE americans JOBS>...GIVE them a chance. WHY OOOOOOOOO WHY do we suipport chinma and vietanms economy by letting THEM sew my clothes. or japan make my televisons and electronics.

WHYYYYY????????

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Mon 11/10/08 08:37 PM
There is no cure. But..they can be clean and/or sober for the rest of their lives.

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Mon 11/10/08 08:54 PM

There is no cure. But..they can be clean and/or sober for the rest of their lives.

yes they can winx.

and this NATION also could cure the ghetto..cuz face it...aint that one of OUR biggest problems???
the source????

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Tue 11/11/08 08:07 AM


There is no cure. But..they can be clean and/or sober for the rest of their lives.

yes they can winx.

and this NATION also could cure the ghetto..cuz face it...aint that one of OUR biggest problems???
the source????
The source!!!!!! Well that could be looked at the other way. The Ghetto, if you can make more money pushing dope than working a job the barely pays you enough to get buy. HMMMMMM Welfare could be look at the same way. If I can just enough to get by without working that job that pays not much more and I dont have the worry of health care. Hmmmmmm The cause is?

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Tue 11/11/08 09:47 AM



There is no cure. But..they can be clean and/or sober for the rest of their lives.

yes they can winx.

and this NATION also could cure the ghetto..cuz face it...aint that one of OUR biggest problems???
the source????
The source!!!!!! Well that could be looked at the other way. The Ghetto, if you can make more money pushing dope than working a job the barely pays you enough to get buy. HMMMMMM Welfare could be look at the same way. If I can just enough to get by without working that job that pays not much more and I dont have the worry of health care. Hmmmmmm The cause is?


im not sure what the casue is..but ya you just stated some hard TRUTHFUL facts.
the cause...good question.
what causes these high crime/drug areas to exist. (AND TO SPREAD) like a damn uncurable virus.

and perhaps there is NO cure for this problem..not even in america.

more cops, more jobs, more support for the current youth of today, when their own home is a battlefield.

im not sure of either the casue or the treatment. i wish i was.

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Tue 11/11/08 10:05 AM



There is no cure. But..they can be clean and/or sober for the rest of their lives.

yes they can winx.

and this NATION also could cure the ghetto..cuz face it...aint that one of OUR biggest problems???
the source????
The source!!!!!! Well that could be looked at the other way. The Ghetto, if you can make more money pushing dope than working a job the barely pays you enough to get buy. HMMMMMM Welfare could be look at the same way. If I can just enough to get by without working that job that pays not much more and I dont have the worry of health care. Hmmmmmm The cause is?



the cause perhaps...lack of ambition, feelings of failure, addiction, inability to find a decent job that is better than selling drugs and living on welfare, being pulled into a downward spiral. idk, Im just brainstorming.

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Tue 11/11/08 10:20 AM


Did you know there is over 160 billion dollars that is unclaimed in stimulus checks and refund tax checks?

Where does it go? Why can't it go back into the government budget? It seems that would help the deficit, right?


Wasn't the money borrowed from China and other countries? I don't know how much of it came from taxpayers.

Maybe pay back some of it?


Actually, at least 2 trillion was printed by the federal reserve. This is why economists are predicting an inflation of 10% to 15% this next year. That means taxes this year just increased by 10% to 15%...

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Tue 11/11/08 10:22 AM

Did you know there is over 160 billion dollars that is unclaimed in stimulus checks and refund tax checks?

Where does it go? Why can't it go back into the government budget? It seems that would help the deficit, right?


I would love to see that money get divided amongst the people...