Give me about 2 hours to try to understand this

Wow so the smallest is lepton, quarks, and bosons. Scientists don't know yet or can't discover if there is something smaller then this.

Very interesting James.

I am telling you scientists are onto something great in the future. I wonder once they find it how much more they can discredit many idealogies of the past.

You say: A Higgs particle is also a boson, but it is quite large in terms of mass, though it has never yet been seen. It is a theoretical ghost at the moment waiting to be discovered at the Large Hadron Collider at Cern.


What???

Well I hope they find it. I bet that would be a huge scientific break through if so

Well, there is a pure unsubstantiated 'theory' called "String Theory" that claims that these fundamental pariticles are all caused by the vibrations of very tiny 'strings'.

However, as the theory goes, each of these fundamental particles would the vibrational dance of a single string.

So in this sense they aren't actaully saying that these particles are 'made up of strings' but rather each particle is the result of the vibrations of a single string.

So these particles would still be the bottom line. It's just a new description of their fundamental nature.

It gets far more complicated that this of course. After all, if it could be understood in a few sentences then everyone could instantly be an expert in string theory.

It will be a huge scientific breakthrough. And they are currently seeking it.

If they find it you may even hear headlines that read:

The God Particle Has Been Found!

That's because they call it the "God Particle".

Now watch, as people gloss over this thread they'll read that bold headline and start asking:

Where?

When?

I didn't hear about that!

Wow goose bumps going up my arms.

That would be something if found. I am trying to imagine how these scientists work everyday. I bet they are just having a grand time discovering new things every time. So lucky. I wish I was there where that large hadron collider is.

Amazing. It truly is.

Of course I don't think many people know about this what you are talking about. I surely didn't, but always wondered what could be the smallest of the smallest of everything. Maybe there is where our answers lies concerning spirituality, gods, etc. etc. Sounds silly, but who knows.

the smallest of the smallest of everything is nothing.....

ha ha sooo funny

Well String Theorists hold that string as indeed the smallest of the small. They have reasons for this. In fact, this is a large basis of their theory. It is the finite size of the strings that give rise to reality as we know it (according to String Theory).

You see, prior to String Theory, these fundamental particles were believed to have no size at all!

I know that difficult to imagine intuitively, but it works mathematically. Mathematically you can just assine properties to a 'point' in space. And that point need not have any physical breadth in order to have other properties (such as mass, energy, and electrical charge).

So mathematically the theory can work without these fundamental particles having any size at all (just a location of it's properties is all that's required for the math to work).

However, there are other problem associated with sizeless point particles.

String Theory came along and said, "Ok we'll just assume that they do have a finite size!".

So that became their postulate. Everything is made of 'strings' that can vibrate and have a very definite 'smallest size'.

Lots of interesting things come out of this theory. Including scientists who have huge headaches.

It's a mathematical nightmare. Infinitely complex.

In fact, it's so infinitely complex that some scientists have suggested that it can't possible be used to come any any finite conclusion. There are simply infinitly many conclusions that can be drawn from it.

So?

Maybe the world truly is infinitely complex?

Maybe that's the truth you are seeking in the smallest of the smallest?

Anything is possible?

Because the world is truly infinitely complex.

Gee. I feel like I've just reached the final conclusion that we have all been seeking.

You know James maybe you have found the answer.

It would be nice to have a definite answer, but again as you say if a scientist even says it is infinetly complex then you know it to be true.

Never heard of a string theory, but will look it up just out of curiousity. I mean where do these scientists come up with these ideas?

What are their IQ levels? 200 or something

Are you sure they are human

Very interesting indeed.

I just feel they are really really close to discovering something that would eliminate a bunch of questions we ask on these forums.

or at least that I ask and bug the hell out of everyone with

I think you are onto something there. Without man, there would not even be a need to be comforted. Human beings require some form of security blanket because we fear the unknown. What is the greatest unknown there is? Why death of course. Therefore, someone came up with the concept of god.

Before man evolved to his current state, there was no god. The concept of a "god" is man-made. Therefore god evolved as human evolved and eventually took the form of our current representation which is that of homo sapien

Without evolution, there would be no man and without man there would be no god

Man created god.

perception...now thats what I'm talkin bout

Absolutely I agree - Man created God for sure. If one just looks back at history and connects the dots one can see it clearly.

Darwin was no fool I say

Also I don't think animals are thinking about death everyday or the "what ifs", but again I didn't ask a dog lately if that is true


So this is why I look into atoms as silly as it sounds.

I think Einstein as of other scientists couldn't find answers to theology and spirituality either and they eventually were seeking deeper into science for answers.

Just a thought on the side line over here

And whats more, even Neanderthal man, who was the last hominid link prior to Cro Magnon and eventually Homo Sapien, had a "religion" of sorts. They have found their burial sites where entire Neanderthal families were buried together in different positions, facing East or West, flowers strewn all over them, and stones arranged precisely. Also weapons, toys and even pottery buried with them which would indicate a belief in reincarnation and that these items would be needed again.

So, even prior to Homo Sapien, these hominids already were capable of complex and abstract thought. They probably feared death and that was very real to them.

Now thats the anthropologist Krimsa that we all know and love. Well said.

Actually that would be the study of Paleontology. I know the names can be confusing at times.

Well it will never compare with your wild Scientology and alien cloning conspiracy theories but I try with my limited academic background.

Someone earlier said, "Man created God."

If man created God,

Who created man?

How is it any different if you say it the other way around?

If God created man,

Who created God?

I remember studying all this in school..about neutrons and protons, etc, that you shared earlier on this thread, Abra.

Why not share more with us here, on this subject, Abra.

Quite interesting...and we all can learn something.

I was the one that said it and just as the bible states. the earth brought forth life. This occurred via the process of biological evolution. See, even I dont disagree with the bible on that point. You should be pleased. Its just all you evangelicals alone who misinterpret that passage. Thats why the Catholics are not at odds with science in that respect.