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Topic: Outsourcing
Lynann's photo
Fri 05/01/09 09:09 AM
Here's a real eye opener. Just a thought? Employ some of the unemployed here to work on these programs?


Food Stamps Create Jobs… in India
Several States With High Unemployment Are Outsourcing Food Stamp Services
By SCOTT MAYEROWITZ
ABC NEWS Business Unit
April 29, 2009

Michele Brown has seen Americans' struggles with jobs first hand. She lives in hard-hit Florida, spent 20 years in the real estate business and recently had her days as a nanny cut back after her boss had his own hours reduced.

But nothing prepared her for what happened one day when she called a toll-free line to inquire about her food stamps.

"The woman who answered the phone -- it's not like she wasn't nice or anything -- but it was kind of evident that she wasn't in the States," Brown said.

It turns out the woman was at a JP Morgan Chase call center in India.

"That really put me over the edge," said Brown, 52, of Jupiter, Fla. "It's not right because we need the work here. People are in a bad way here."

nogames39's photo
Fri 05/01/09 05:23 PM
This woman is ready to do the same work for the same pay?

I doubt it. Most likely, she wants to place herself in a priviliged position of doing same or even less, while getting paid several times more, plus benefits.

Just my guess.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 05/01/09 05:36 PM
Most corporations boast millions of dollars of profits each quarter, then outsource the jobs to cheap labor in other countries rather than supporting workers at home thru their taxes. And we allow it!

Then they use the struggling economy here to ask us for bailouts, then use the money to buy overseas businesses so they can outsource more jobs.

IT NEEDS TO END!

Dragoness's photo
Fri 05/01/09 05:40 PM

Here's a real eye opener. Just a thought? Employ some of the unemployed here to work on these programs?


Food Stamps Create Jobs… in India
Several States With High Unemployment Are Outsourcing Food Stamp Services
By SCOTT MAYEROWITZ
ABC NEWS Business Unit
April 29, 2009

Michele Brown has seen Americans' struggles with jobs first hand. She lives in hard-hit Florida, spent 20 years in the real estate business and recently had her days as a nanny cut back after her boss had his own hours reduced.

But nothing prepared her for what happened one day when she called a toll-free line to inquire about her food stamps.

"The woman who answered the phone -- it's not like she wasn't nice or anything -- but it was kind of evident that she wasn't in the States," Brown said.

It turns out the woman was at a JP Morgan Chase call center in India.

"That really put me over the edge," said Brown, 52, of Jupiter, Fla. "It's not right because we need the work here. People are in a bad way here."


Yea that happened when they instituted the EBT card. I think the bank who took over the account which was US Bank, I think, uses call centers in other parts of the world.

So you will have to get mad at the bank who took over the EBT accounts when they rolled it over.

InvictusV's photo
Fri 05/01/09 05:42 PM
move to India if you want a job answering the phone.

nogames39's photo
Fri 05/01/09 05:45 PM
These two things are not connected.

Corporations make profits, because this is what corporations supposed to do. Millions of American retirees own stock of those corporations. Are you suggesting there is something wrong with those retirees receiving profits on their investments?

We bail out corporations, because the majority of the people went to free government school, where they were indoctrinated. They do not know anything of value. How do you expect these people to make a decision that requires understanding of business and economics? When some asshole in the government tells them that a bailout is a good idea, they believe that. Just look up an opinion on bailout on this very board, and you will find quite a few, who think that was a proper decision.

no photo
Fri 05/01/09 05:49 PM
I am starting up and insourcing company, and will be training local US citizens to sound like people from india who try to speak americanese, also I will disguise my company by having an international address

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Fri 05/01/09 08:41 PM
Edited by creativesoul on Fri 05/01/09 08:43 PM
I wonder when the quality of a product will come into play? A quality product lasts much longer, although the mindset of this type of contentment has been lost. There is much to consider outside of the business economics aspect, however...

There is a consumer mindset that has changed as well. Although initially it went unnoticed because of the overall prosperity of the average citizen, we can no longer afford to keep replacing things as we once did without thinking about it. The average working American's lifestyle is not what it was just a few years ago. That was an illusion, based upon an purposefully artificially inflated economy. It was self-perpetuating then, and it still is today.

Other than the Armed Services, entertainment seems like it is the only path out of the hood for those less fortunate at this point in time. Whether that be sports, the internet, or the television/movie industry matters not. There are fewer and fewer good paying occupations available for those who only have a high-school education. The machining and building trades are falling off of the map along with transportation, also resulting from self-imposed reasons.

The world is changing and our part in this, as a country, has affected the working class citizen quite negatively while allowing the large business owners/corporate officials to establish wider profit margins while simultaneously covering their fictitious gains in the past which were required to attract potential investors.

The argument is often that those who have the money are those who produce the jobs, and this is true.

It leaves out the profit factor and the laws which allow those jobs to go elsewhere... why?

Earlier corruption in the management end necessitated it.

Make-believe money and false reportings could no longer bear their own weight.

Drivel?

laugh

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Fri 05/01/09 09:36 PM
We are educating everyone to a standard compulsory level of a school degree. The expected result of this (expected not by government sledge-headed bureaucrats, mind you) is that there will be less and less good paying jobs available for that level. In other words, we are tuning everyone into an ordinary, nothing exciting, bland type worker. The pay follows.

I buy only German and Japanese made cars. This is because I expect quality, and, because I wish American industry the best. An American car has no quality. Unfortunately, this is true. Yes, this nation still makes Saleen and Mustang, but the mainline autos are crap. This, by the way, was predicted (even) by a writer, Arthur Heily (sp?), in his work "Wheels". Not going into details of why there is no quality, it is sufficient to say that in most cathegories of goods, if one is seeking for quality, he won't be looking at "made in usa" goods.

What exactly prevents anyone from any walk of life from attaining any professional level he may desire? Rich or poor, in America today, not only it is achievable, you will also be pushed to reach whatever it is you want.

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Fri 05/01/09 09:59 PM

We are educating everyone to a standard compulsory level of a school degree. The expected result of this (expected not by government sledge-headed bureaucrats, mind you) is that there will be less and less good paying jobs available for that level. In other words, we are tuning everyone into an ordinary, nothing exciting, bland type worker. The pay follows.

I buy only German and Japanese made cars. This is because I expect quality, and, because I wish American industry the best. An American car has no quality. Unfortunately, this is true. Yes, this nation still makes Saleen and Mustang, but the mainline autos are crap. This, by the way, was predicted (even) by a writer, Arthur Heily (sp?), in his work "Wheels". Not going into details of why there is no quality, it is sufficient to say that in most cathegories of goods, if one is seeking for quality, he won't be looking at "made in usa" goods.

What exactly prevents anyone from any walk of life from attaining any professional level he may desire? Rich or poor, in America today, not only it is achievable, you will also be pushed to reach whatever it is you want.


Truthfully, the base level of education is not even just high school anymore - it seems to exist somewhere between high school and an associates from a local JC.

Truth be told, even the bachelor's degree market has become so saturated, very few positions above mindless, manual labor will even look at you without one. Even then, it's not what the degree is, only that you have one to show you can commit.

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Fri 05/01/09 10:17 PM
The thing is, liberals thinking is so unrealistic, that to a liberal, to achieve happiness, every man should sleep with the queen. Nevermind that this "every man" is not the heaviest swordsman nor a nastiest chess player. Every looser deserve to mate a queen. Ugh, eah, right...

This is why they will never be happy. By removing competition, they destroy the quality that the winners had, only to turn around and wonder where did it go. They all push at once onto a queen. Doesn't take a genius to see the she won't be happy.

creativesoul's photo
Fri 05/01/09 10:22 PM
People who can afford it do want what is perceived to be the best... often the cost itself is not a major factor. This underlying element of 'you get what you pay for!', keeps food on my table...

I am quite fortunate to have been born with innate talents which few others have... no matter of the size of the pond thus far!

Fortunate, I say because I had no responsibility in acquiring this.

That being said...

What exactly prevents anyone from any walk of life from attaining any professional level he may desire? Rich or poor, in America today, not only it is achievable, you will also be pushed to reach whatever it is you want.


There are many reasons, some of which do include ignorance, stupidity, laziness, and a host of other personality traits which affect one's focus and thinking. There are also causes which lay completely out of one's control. Perserverence, knowledge, and ability do not necessarily equate to success, the measure of which is always subjective anyway.

There is an old saying "It takes money to make money." This indeed holds true. There is money available for those less fortunate students who are taught how to think in terms of overacheivement. Who are taught integrity and persistence pay off. Who are taught to believe in and apply themselves.

One must know how in order to teach another.

That only comes from within, but understanding this must be learned.

We do not choose the situation(s) we are born into.

There is also the consideration of coincidence, accidents, and/or pure random chance which can do either... promote or impede one's ability to even know how to be a success. This can also play a major role in ruining one who would have been successful had things beyond their control not have happened as they did.

There is no blanket explanation nor solution.

Our educational system is creating a dumber America... I agree!

There is little knowledge being imparted.





nogames39's photo
Fri 05/01/09 10:35 PM

Other than the Armed Services, entertainment seems like it is the only path out of the hood for those less fortunate at this point in time. Whether that be sports, the internet, or the television/movie industry matters not.


What, they are prohibited from becoming major lawyers, presidents, astronauts, nuclear scientists or highly paid green bull**** researchers?

Your point is not clear. Is there plenty of opportunity in America or isn't?

creativesoul's photo
Fri 05/01/09 10:50 PM
That quote was not valid... :wink:

Of course there is plenty of opportunity in America. It is just changing shape.

nogames39's photo
Fri 05/01/09 10:57 PM
Why not valid? Wasn't the rest of that paragraph an entirely new point, one having to do with those who do not desire to learn past school degree?

creativesoul's photo
Fri 05/01/09 11:06 PM
Edited by creativesoul on Fri 05/01/09 11:07 PM
Not valid because it could easily be proven to be untrue.

There are those who choose to pursue education, those who do not, those who wanted but could not, those who wished they had, etc...

Regardless, there are other occupations for unskilled people pther than the ones I mentioned...

That is why it is not valid.

:wink:

You do not think that I would purposefully place a porkchop in front of a pit-bull, then remove it as the pup was lunging... do ya?

laugh

I want to say that I wish I could be that way...

It was an accident!

nogames39's photo
Fri 05/01/09 11:13 PM
Edited by nogames39 on Fri 05/01/09 11:14 PM
Well then the quote is valid, but the initial post is recalled by you (the poster).

So, then we are in agreement that there are all the opportunities in America today to become a highly paid specialist, and not only in sports or entertainment. There is no difference, whether one is poor or rich. If one wants to be a highly taxed slave, he can become that slave.

I do not mind any chops to be in my way.

creativesoul's photo
Fri 05/01/09 11:45 PM
laugh

Uh... no we are not in agreement about all of those things...

Some... not all.

damnitscloudy's photo
Fri 05/01/09 11:46 PM
My Dodge Neon is awesome! American cars are pretty cool drinker

nogames39's photo
Fri 05/01/09 11:48 PM
Hey, I never said anything about "not cool". They are the coolest!

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