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Topic: why current health reform will FAIL
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Sat 07/24/10 01:13 AM

the forced purchase through insurance companies is extortion and should be changed.


But mandatory car insurance is not extortion? Is that because it promotes capitalism?
Gee ... did I say that ....
No ... you just made that up as an implication of what I said to create a strawman argument.

Actually health insurance and whatever cost will come out of tax revenue IS representative taxation – why? See below.
Gee ... did I even mention that...
No ... strawman argument spreads its fertalizer.


the basic needs of the people should be met my a non profit organization possibly guided by the Medical Universities. ...
not by a for profit insurance company middle man


From a recent report from the Commonwealth's Joing Committee on Public Health,

Medicare will now provide an annual wellness visit that includes a risk assessment and a 5-10 year personalized prevention plan with no co-payment or deductible.

New Government Agencies

o Establishes seven new offices of minority health within
Health and Human Services agencies.(Effective upon enactment)

o Creates a non-profit patient centered outcome research
institute to advance comparative effectiveness research.
(Effective upon enactment)

o Create the State Balancing Incentive Program to provide enhanced
federal matching payments to eligible states to increase the
proportion of non-institutionally-based long-term care services.
(Effective October 1, 2011 through September 30, 2015)

Provides competitive grants to community based organizations and state and local agencies for community-based preventive and wellness activities. (Funds appropriated for 5 years beginning in 2010)

Grants available for:

o increasing healthy food options, physical activity opportunities
and wellness curricula in schools;

o creating the infrastructure to increase access to nutritious foods
and healthy living;

o increasing access to physical activity;
o increasing access to smoking cessation;
o improving social and emotional wellness;
o enhancing safety in a community;
o addressing chronic disease priority area identified by the grantee;
o worksite wellness programming and incentives;
o working to highlight healthy options at restaurants and other food
venues;

o prioritizing strategies to reduce racial and ethnic disparities,
including social, economic, and geographic determinants of health;
and

o addressing special populations needs in both urban and rural areas


That’s on top of each State’s setting up their own insurance exchange.
good ... and good information on what they have stated ... I'm not American so never got much into the details ... but from what you just posted it makes sense and look like the best they can safeguard it for now.



And many hospitals are already non-profit. The need for more urgent care clinics will see a great increase in these kind nonprofit agencies.

All of these agencies are primarily supported through Federal and State grants (entitlements).
Cool ... but my idea is to link them to teaching hospitals and Universities for guidance ...
bytchin about funding is easy with total free speculation with no actual facts or figures.
Totally meaningless in the strawman you are trying to build.


Because these agencies are nonprofit they are public administrations and as such, how they are run is directed by Federal guidelines – which makes them a “representative” affiliate of government – public administration is often called the “fourth branch of government”. HENSE - Representative taxation.
Gee ... did I say that it mattered if its called representative taxation
No ... again ... you just made that up as an implication of what I said to create a strawman argument.

This causes a BIG problem for the tens of thousands of small nonprofits who provide millions of people with charitable services – because with all the money being re-directed into the new nonprofit agencies supporting health care – many thousands of those small business will fold – more unemployed.
total speculation and not accounting for all the jobs created by these new agencies and adding to the old.
total speculation with no facts to back it up
meaningless strawman argument


Failure is in the eye of the beholder.

it will need fixes in the future
just like every other legislation


It will never be fixed because it will never be equal because our Constitution is focused on human ethics and because our civil rights laws extend to every individual in this country whether citizen, legal alien or illegal.
this is bordering on prejudiced opinion .... and is .... only an opinion with no facts.


So it will always be unjust – biased in favor of the non-tax payer. But so has every nonprofit agency and most of the medical field been so biased – and so have most Americans and so they will remain – it’s about human ethics.
and there is your strawman conclusion


So I agree, failure is in the eye of the beholder – but just how much can our taxes be raised before we no longer see justice is supporting that ethical position?
your taxes are all you care about ... not ours... that is the reality. part of the ours don't pay enough ... part pay too much ... tax reform is another issue.



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