Topic: really?
msharmony's photo
Sun 11/06/11 05:09 PM

I'm not saying using condoms is bad at all. Obviously it's a good idea to use them. I just think arguing against the use of the pill because condoms are available is silly.



Im not arguing against the use of the pill. Im only debating the 'right' to have them for free or to mandate that insurance cover them.

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/06/11 05:12 PM

I might point out that condoms are only about 78% effective, as concerned with birth control. Me personally, I'd like to have more that one base covered in that situation.



thats not accurate, they are equally effective when used CORRECTLY.

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Sun 11/06/11 06:29 PM
I would think the anti-abortion people would want to make sure birth control is readily available and affordable to everyone.

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Sun 11/06/11 06:33 PM
Edited by singmesweet on Sun 11/06/11 06:34 PM
The article from the OP:

A New Battle Over Contraception
Published: November 5, 2011

The Obama administration made the right call in August when it issued new standards requiring all insurers to cover contraceptives without a deductible or a co-payment, starting next year. The White House now needs to resist pressure from House Republicans, the Roman Catholic Church and other groups out to eliminate or significantly weaken the contraceptives mandate.

The new rules already exempt churches and other religious institutions from having to provide contraceptive coverage for their employees. That is similar to provisions in state laws upheld by the highest courts in New York and California.

Nevertheless, church leaders are calling for an expansive exemption for all employees of Catholic hospitals, charitable organizations, elementary and secondary schools, and colleges and universities. That would, in effect, deny coverage for contraceptives for millions of women who may not be Catholic and may disagree with the church’s stance on birth control.

Some opponents of contraceptives are pushing to allow all employers to opt out of providing contraceptives coverage if it offends their conscience.


The issue was joined last week at a House Energy and Commerce subcommittee hearing called by Representative Joe Pitts, Republican of Pennsylvania, who opposes the mandate. At the hearing, Jon O’Brien, the president of Catholics for Choice, testified that 98 percent of sexually active Catholic women in the United States have used a form of contraception banned by the Vatican.

He criticized the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops for doing the very thing that it wrongly accuses the administration of doing: trying to impede “the religious freedom of millions of Americans” by “taking reproductive health care options away from everybody.”

The administration’s policy on birth control coverage follows the recommendation of the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine, which studied the medical facts, including high rates of unintended pregnancy and abortion largely caused by lack of access to birth control. President Obama should stand by the policy.


Gotta love how the religious are pushing their views on others.

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/06/11 06:50 PM

The article from the OP:

A New Battle Over Contraception
Published: November 5, 2011

The Obama administration made the right call in August when it issued new standards requiring all insurers to cover contraceptives without a deductible or a co-payment, starting next year. The White House now needs to resist pressure from House Republicans, the Roman Catholic Church and other groups out to eliminate or significantly weaken the contraceptives mandate.

The new rules already exempt churches and other religious institutions from having to provide contraceptive coverage for their employees. That is similar to provisions in state laws upheld by the highest courts in New York and California.

Nevertheless, church leaders are calling for an expansive exemption for all employees of Catholic hospitals, charitable organizations, elementary and secondary schools, and colleges and universities. That would, in effect, deny coverage for contraceptives for millions of women who may not be Catholic and may disagree with the church’s stance on birth control.

Some opponents of contraceptives are pushing to allow all employers to opt out of providing contraceptives coverage if it offends their conscience.


The issue was joined last week at a House Energy and Commerce subcommittee hearing called by Representative Joe Pitts, Republican of Pennsylvania, who opposes the mandate. At the hearing, Jon O’Brien, the president of Catholics for Choice, testified that 98 percent of sexually active Catholic women in the United States have used a form of contraception banned by the Vatican.

He criticized the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops for doing the very thing that it wrongly accuses the administration of doing: trying to impede “the religious freedom of millions of Americans” by “taking reproductive health care options away from everybody.”

The administration’s policy on birth control coverage follows the recommendation of the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine, which studied the medical facts, including high rates of unintended pregnancy and abortion largely caused by lack of access to birth control. President Obama should stand by the policy.


Gotta love how the religious are pushing their views on others.



I dont see it as pushing. Pushing would be to insist that contraception not be offered at all. This just supports the insurance companies have the right to decide instead of have it be a mandate. This does not take anything AWAY. it just does not MANDATE everyone to support it.Contraception will continue to be availabe, and insurance companies which so choose will continue to cover it.

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Sun 11/06/11 06:55 PM
So you're cool with women having to pay a lot of money for the pill?

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/06/11 06:59 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 11/06/11 07:04 PM
define 'alot'

from planned parenthood

"Birth control pills cost about $15–$50 a month. They may be purchased with a prescription at a drugstore or clinic.

Visit a Planned Parenthood "



from fifty cents to 1.50 a day, less than what most of us (women and men) spend on junk food everyday

,, not 'alot' in my eyes for something that is supposed to be so vital..

Seakolony's photo
Sun 11/06/11 07:03 PM
Birth control is cheaper than payimg for births and health care of children.....you would think nsurance companies would want to cover birth control

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/06/11 07:05 PM

Birth control is cheaper than payimg for births and health care of children.....you would think nsurance companies would want to cover birth control


Most of them probably would, which is why there is no need to 'force' them to..

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Sun 11/06/11 07:06 PM

define 'alot'

from planned parenthood

"Birth control pills cost about $15–$50 a month. They may be purchased with a prescription at a drugstore or clinic.

Visit a Planned Parenthood "



from fifty cents to 1.50 a day, less than what most of us (women and men) spend on junk food everyday

,, not 'alot' in my eyes for something that is supposed to be so vital..


Well, under most insurances, women can get birth control for $10 a month, which is very reasonable. Without insurance, they can be $30-$50 a month, which is way above reasonable.

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Sun 11/06/11 07:07 PM


Birth control is cheaper than payimg for births and health care of children.....you would think nsurance companies would want to cover birth control


Most of them probably would, which is why there is no need to 'force' them to..


Except if you work for companies that are religious. Then they can force you to pay more money for something that should be covered by insurance.

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/06/11 07:07 PM


define 'alot'

from planned parenthood

"Birth control pills cost about $15–$50 a month. They may be purchased with a prescription at a drugstore or clinic.

Visit a Planned Parenthood "



from fifty cents to 1.50 a day, less than what most of us (women and men) spend on junk food everyday

,, not 'alot' in my eyes for something that is supposed to be so vital..


Well, under most insurances, women can get birth control for $10 a month, which is very reasonable. Without insurance, they can be $30-$50 a month, which is way above reasonable.



I guess its perception

like I said fifty cents to a buck fifty a day seems more than reasonable for something if I considered it to be vital

imagine if I could EAT for 1.50 a day, or get heat or ac, or any other medicine for that price

Id be pretty thrilled,,,

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/06/11 07:08 PM



Birth control is cheaper than payimg for births and health care of children.....you would think nsurance companies would want to cover birth control


Most of them probably would, which is why there is no need to 'force' them to..


Except if you work for companies that are religious. Then they can force you to pay more money for something that should be covered by insurance.


than you could opt out of company insurance and opt in to insurance that covers it

or you could skip the starbucks and stay 'protected' instead,,

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Sun 11/06/11 07:11 PM




Birth control is cheaper than payimg for births and health care of children.....you would think nsurance companies would want to cover birth control


Most of them probably would, which is why there is no need to 'force' them to..


Except if you work for companies that are religious. Then they can force you to pay more money for something that should be covered by insurance.


than you could opt out of company insurance and opt in to insurance that covers it

or you could skip the starbucks and stay 'protected' instead,,


You do realize that paying for insurance on your own can be quite expensive, right?

You're assuming everyone is spending money on starbucks instead of something more important?

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/06/11 07:12 PM





Birth control is cheaper than payimg for births and health care of children.....you would think nsurance companies would want to cover birth control


Most of them probably would, which is why there is no need to 'force' them to..


Except if you work for companies that are religious. Then they can force you to pay more money for something that should be covered by insurance.


than you could opt out of company insurance and opt in to insurance that covers it

or you could skip the starbucks and stay 'protected' instead,,


You do realize that paying for insurance on your own can be quite expensive, right?

You're assuming everyone is spending money on starbucks instead of something more important?



nope, IM just figuring most people can make a fifty cent per day adjustment to their budget for something so important if they elect to use it,,,

teadipper's photo
Sun 11/06/11 07:27 PM
There is kind of the assumption that everyone who dates is having sex and that is not true. WHEN I have been in relationships, WHERE I have been having sex, boyfriends have been MORE than happy to pay for birth control. I think it depends on the caliber of WHO you are dating.

I do not birth control is that overpriced. I think that a lot of people kind of assume it's something everyone needs 24//7 with everyone because it's kind of a haphazard thing that people have sex. But in reality, I would not really have a relationship with a man who couldn't afford birth control on his own because to me that is not really a man.

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/06/11 07:29 PM

There is kind of the assumption that everyone who dates is having sex and that is not true. WHEN I have been in relationships, WHERE I have been having sex, boyfriends have been MORE than happy to pay for birth control. I think it depends on the caliber of WHO you are dating.

I do not birth control is that overpriced. I think that a lot of people kind of assume it's something everyone needs 24//7 with everyone because it's kind of a haphazard thing that people have sex. But in reality, I would not really have a relationship with a man who couldn't afford birth control on his own because to me that is not really a man.



I agree not everyone who dates has sex. I also agree with being more selective as women about our bodies to either not have sex with someone that wont wear protection or help with the price of it. I think you are living by logical standards....

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Sun 11/06/11 07:40 PM
Edited by singmesweet on Sun 11/06/11 07:40 PM

There is kind of the assumption that everyone who dates is having sex and that is not true. WHEN I have been in relationships, WHERE I have been having sex, boyfriends have been MORE than happy to pay for birth control. I think it depends on the caliber of WHO you are dating.

I do not birth control is that overpriced. I think that a lot of people kind of assume it's something everyone needs 24//7 with everyone because it's kind of a haphazard thing that people have sex. But in reality, I would not really have a relationship with a man who couldn't afford birth control on his own because to me that is not really a man.


Birth control isn't important enough for you to pay for as well?

I'd never rely solely on the guy to provide the birth control. If I think I'm going to have sex, I will make sure to have condoms with me.

teadipper's photo
Sun 11/06/11 07:44 PM


There is kind of the assumption that everyone who dates is having sex and that is not true. WHEN I have been in relationships, WHERE I have been having sex, boyfriends have been MORE than happy to pay for birth control. I think it depends on the caliber of WHO you are dating.

I do not birth control is that overpriced. I think that a lot of people kind of assume it's something everyone needs 24//7 with everyone because it's kind of a haphazard thing that people have sex. But in reality, I would not really have a relationship with a man who couldn't afford birth control on his own because to me that is not really a man.


Birth control isn't important enough for you to pay for as well?

I'd never rely solely on the guy to provide the birth control. If I think I'm going to have sex, I will make sure to have condoms with me.


I know whether or not I intend to have sex.

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Sun 11/06/11 07:45 PM



There is kind of the assumption that everyone who dates is having sex and that is not true. WHEN I have been in relationships, WHERE I have been having sex, boyfriends have been MORE than happy to pay for birth control. I think it depends on the caliber of WHO you are dating.

I do not birth control is that overpriced. I think that a lot of people kind of assume it's something everyone needs 24//7 with everyone because it's kind of a haphazard thing that people have sex. But in reality, I would not really have a relationship with a man who couldn't afford birth control on his own because to me that is not really a man.


Birth control isn't important enough for you to pay for as well?

I'd never rely solely on the guy to provide the birth control. If I think I'm going to have sex, I will make sure to have condoms with me.


I know whether or not I intend to have sex.


That didn't answer my question, but ok!