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msharmony's photo
Thu 12/29/11 01:17 AM








next, lets make sure they stop regulating who owns and drives cars,, if people want to be wreckless they will,,,

and lets stop passing laws about sexual consent, if people want to force themself on somoene , they will...


rules and regulations are never necessary, lets go for total freedom and chaos so people can be 'happy'....


You CAN'T protect everyone from everything Msharmony, I don't care how many damn laws you pass, if someone wants to commit a crime they will still do it. I am sick and damn tired of living in a nanny state where every little thing we do is regulated up the ***. If that's a country you wanna live in, have at it, but not me. Give me personal responsibility and personal freedom any day of the week.

It shows how far we've fallen that such ideas have almost become a 4 letter word anymore. We've forgotten what it really means to be free.



of course we cant protect everyone from everything, but the answer isnt griping about any attempt to protect anyone from anything,,,


its not the idea that freedom is a four letter word

its the idea that freedom without responsibility or sacrifice is reasonable and should be expected and demanded that escapes me,,,


The problem is we can't be able to take responsibility for ourselves if the terms of it is forced upon us. Personal responsibility means you are responsible for what you do and you ONLY. It's not, that if you **** up everyone else has to change how they act for what you did. I'm sorry, but it does not work that way, and never did.

Anytime something bad happens, the cry is for more regulations, stricter laws, etc etc etc, but this just takes our responsibility to take care of ourselves away from us. No personal responsibilty, no freedom either. Once you let others tell you what you can and can't do like that, you give it up.



really? you dont take responsiblity for yourself?

thats odd,, I have no problem doing so, even with laws and regulations,,,


You don't get it at all, when you start to let the state tell you what you can and can't do, then you lose you the ability to take that responsibility for yourself.

Take raw dairy for example, it's practically a crime in some places to get the stuff, and they wanna crack down on it more and more by the day. If we can't get it, we aren't being given that choice to consume it if we choose and take the responsibility of any consequences.

Same goes for other things too in the same vein. Marijuana is another one.

When the state tells you can't do something even if you want to, you cannot be able to freely choose for yourself to do that thing any longer. Simple as that.



life has rules, rules dont tell me what to do, rules dictate the social consequence of what I do

I still get to take as much personal responsibility as I wish.

I think a study of the meaning of 'choice' would be beneficial. Choice does not cease to exist with consequence

consequence is a natural part of life, consequence is the 'reaction' to our choice in 'actions'

I dont roam around feeling deprived because of consequences, I simply choose if my actions are important enough to risk the consequence,,,

If I get in my car, there is a chance that I may be in an accident

is it worth it,,,sure


If I smoke some weed, there is a chance I can get arrested, is it worth it ,,,,probably not to me, but to many I know,,,sure


If I spank my child, there is a chance some overzealous observer will call the police,,,,is it worth it to me,,,,yes,,,,

,,and on and on,,,,,life was never meant to be a catwalk, we wouldnt appreciate it nearly as much if it were

we wouldnt be nearly as happy as we think if we truly lived in a culture where three hundred million seperate individuals all could just choose to do whatever made them happy,,,,,


No life was not meant to be easy, but it was not meant to be a prison planet either, where things are dictated by others around you, instead of by you yourself. And that's where we're going if we're not there already.

So I beg to differ, if people were given more freedom to live how they wanted, the world would be a lot nicer place to live. They'd be allowed then to make choices for themselves, good and bad, to live, love, learn and experience. A lot of the things we aren't allowed to do now, because some uppity people think they can decide for them what's good for them.



but I thought the argument was that people find a way to 'do' what they want regardless of rules, seems like they take responsibility by making their own choice

so why object to them?

alot of things we arent allowed to do, because some people can see how what we do affects others even when its not an IMMEDIATE and personal affect on someone right next to us,,,

Kleisto's photo
Thu 12/29/11 01:22 AM









next, lets make sure they stop regulating who owns and drives cars,, if people want to be wreckless they will,,,

and lets stop passing laws about sexual consent, if people want to force themself on somoene , they will...


rules and regulations are never necessary, lets go for total freedom and chaos so people can be 'happy'....


You CAN'T protect everyone from everything Msharmony, I don't care how many damn laws you pass, if someone wants to commit a crime they will still do it. I am sick and damn tired of living in a nanny state where every little thing we do is regulated up the ***. If that's a country you wanna live in, have at it, but not me. Give me personal responsibility and personal freedom any day of the week.

It shows how far we've fallen that such ideas have almost become a 4 letter word anymore. We've forgotten what it really means to be free.



of course we cant protect everyone from everything, but the answer isnt griping about any attempt to protect anyone from anything,,,


its not the idea that freedom is a four letter word

its the idea that freedom without responsibility or sacrifice is reasonable and should be expected and demanded that escapes me,,,


The problem is we can't be able to take responsibility for ourselves if the terms of it is forced upon us. Personal responsibility means you are responsible for what you do and you ONLY. It's not, that if you **** up everyone else has to change how they act for what you did. I'm sorry, but it does not work that way, and never did.

Anytime something bad happens, the cry is for more regulations, stricter laws, etc etc etc, but this just takes our responsibility to take care of ourselves away from us. No personal responsibilty, no freedom either. Once you let others tell you what you can and can't do like that, you give it up.



really? you dont take responsiblity for yourself?

thats odd,, I have no problem doing so, even with laws and regulations,,,


You don't get it at all, when you start to let the state tell you what you can and can't do, then you lose you the ability to take that responsibility for yourself.

Take raw dairy for example, it's practically a crime in some places to get the stuff, and they wanna crack down on it more and more by the day. If we can't get it, we aren't being given that choice to consume it if we choose and take the responsibility of any consequences.

Same goes for other things too in the same vein. Marijuana is another one.

When the state tells you can't do something even if you want to, you cannot be able to freely choose for yourself to do that thing any longer. Simple as that.



life has rules, rules dont tell me what to do, rules dictate the social consequence of what I do

I still get to take as much personal responsibility as I wish.

I think a study of the meaning of 'choice' would be beneficial. Choice does not cease to exist with consequence

consequence is a natural part of life, consequence is the 'reaction' to our choice in 'actions'

I dont roam around feeling deprived because of consequences, I simply choose if my actions are important enough to risk the consequence,,,

If I get in my car, there is a chance that I may be in an accident

is it worth it,,,sure


If I smoke some weed, there is a chance I can get arrested, is it worth it ,,,,probably not to me, but to many I know,,,sure


If I spank my child, there is a chance some overzealous observer will call the police,,,,is it worth it to me,,,,yes,,,,

,,and on and on,,,,,life was never meant to be a catwalk, we wouldnt appreciate it nearly as much if it were

we wouldnt be nearly as happy as we think if we truly lived in a culture where three hundred million seperate individuals all could just choose to do whatever made them happy,,,,,


No life was not meant to be easy, but it was not meant to be a prison planet either, where things are dictated by others around you, instead of by you yourself. And that's where we're going if we're not there already.

So I beg to differ, if people were given more freedom to live how they wanted, the world would be a lot nicer place to live. They'd be allowed then to make choices for themselves, good and bad, to live, love, learn and experience. A lot of the things we aren't allowed to do now, because some uppity people think they can decide for them what's good for them.



but I thought the argument was that people find a way to 'do' what they want regardless of rules, seems like they take responsibility by making their own choice

so why object to them?

alot of things we arent allowed to do, because some people can see how what we do affects others even when its not an IMMEDIATE and personal affect on someone right next to us,,,


Why object? Because some of the laws simply shouldn't be laws in the first place. If you wanna live on a planet where everything you do is regulated fine, but I refuse to accept that. We were not made to be slaves to people above us.

And a lot of the things we aren't allowed to do, is because people wanna control us too. But I don't expect you to understand that, cause you never get anything I try to say anyway.

msharmony's photo
Thu 12/29/11 01:25 AM










next, lets make sure they stop regulating who owns and drives cars,, if people want to be wreckless they will,,,

and lets stop passing laws about sexual consent, if people want to force themself on somoene , they will...


rules and regulations are never necessary, lets go for total freedom and chaos so people can be 'happy'....


You CAN'T protect everyone from everything Msharmony, I don't care how many damn laws you pass, if someone wants to commit a crime they will still do it. I am sick and damn tired of living in a nanny state where every little thing we do is regulated up the ***. If that's a country you wanna live in, have at it, but not me. Give me personal responsibility and personal freedom any day of the week.

It shows how far we've fallen that such ideas have almost become a 4 letter word anymore. We've forgotten what it really means to be free.



of course we cant protect everyone from everything, but the answer isnt griping about any attempt to protect anyone from anything,,,


its not the idea that freedom is a four letter word

its the idea that freedom without responsibility or sacrifice is reasonable and should be expected and demanded that escapes me,,,


The problem is we can't be able to take responsibility for ourselves if the terms of it is forced upon us. Personal responsibility means you are responsible for what you do and you ONLY. It's not, that if you **** up everyone else has to change how they act for what you did. I'm sorry, but it does not work that way, and never did.

Anytime something bad happens, the cry is for more regulations, stricter laws, etc etc etc, but this just takes our responsibility to take care of ourselves away from us. No personal responsibilty, no freedom either. Once you let others tell you what you can and can't do like that, you give it up.



really? you dont take responsiblity for yourself?

thats odd,, I have no problem doing so, even with laws and regulations,,,


You don't get it at all, when you start to let the state tell you what you can and can't do, then you lose you the ability to take that responsibility for yourself.

Take raw dairy for example, it's practically a crime in some places to get the stuff, and they wanna crack down on it more and more by the day. If we can't get it, we aren't being given that choice to consume it if we choose and take the responsibility of any consequences.

Same goes for other things too in the same vein. Marijuana is another one.

When the state tells you can't do something even if you want to, you cannot be able to freely choose for yourself to do that thing any longer. Simple as that.



life has rules, rules dont tell me what to do, rules dictate the social consequence of what I do

I still get to take as much personal responsibility as I wish.

I think a study of the meaning of 'choice' would be beneficial. Choice does not cease to exist with consequence

consequence is a natural part of life, consequence is the 'reaction' to our choice in 'actions'

I dont roam around feeling deprived because of consequences, I simply choose if my actions are important enough to risk the consequence,,,

If I get in my car, there is a chance that I may be in an accident

is it worth it,,,sure


If I smoke some weed, there is a chance I can get arrested, is it worth it ,,,,probably not to me, but to many I know,,,sure


If I spank my child, there is a chance some overzealous observer will call the police,,,,is it worth it to me,,,,yes,,,,

,,and on and on,,,,,life was never meant to be a catwalk, we wouldnt appreciate it nearly as much if it were

we wouldnt be nearly as happy as we think if we truly lived in a culture where three hundred million seperate individuals all could just choose to do whatever made them happy,,,,,


No life was not meant to be easy, but it was not meant to be a prison planet either, where things are dictated by others around you, instead of by you yourself. And that's where we're going if we're not there already.

So I beg to differ, if people were given more freedom to live how they wanted, the world would be a lot nicer place to live. They'd be allowed then to make choices for themselves, good and bad, to live, love, learn and experience. A lot of the things we aren't allowed to do now, because some uppity people think they can decide for them what's good for them.



but I thought the argument was that people find a way to 'do' what they want regardless of rules, seems like they take responsibility by making their own choice

so why object to them?

alot of things we arent allowed to do, because some people can see how what we do affects others even when its not an IMMEDIATE and personal affect on someone right next to us,,,


Why object? Because some of the laws simply shouldn't be laws in the first place. If you wanna live on a planet where everything you do is regulated fine, but I refuse to accept that. We were not made to be slaves to people above us.

And a lot of the things we aren't allowed to do, is because people wanna control us too. But I don't expect you to understand that, cause you never get anything I try to say anyway.




I dont want to live in a place where EVERYTHING is regulated either, but I do appreciate the need for the things that are regulated in OUR society with three hundred million seperate individuals , potentially dangerous manufacturing and technology which touches millions of lives and an environment millions must share,,,



Kleisto's photo
Thu 12/29/11 02:17 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Thu 12/29/11 02:18 AM











next, lets make sure they stop regulating who owns and drives cars,, if people want to be wreckless they will,,,

and lets stop passing laws about sexual consent, if people want to force themself on somoene , they will...


rules and regulations are never necessary, lets go for total freedom and chaos so people can be 'happy'....


You CAN'T protect everyone from everything Msharmony, I don't care how many damn laws you pass, if someone wants to commit a crime they will still do it. I am sick and damn tired of living in a nanny state where every little thing we do is regulated up the ***. If that's a country you wanna live in, have at it, but not me. Give me personal responsibility and personal freedom any day of the week.

It shows how far we've fallen that such ideas have almost become a 4 letter word anymore. We've forgotten what it really means to be free.



of course we cant protect everyone from everything, but the answer isnt griping about any attempt to protect anyone from anything,,,


its not the idea that freedom is a four letter word

its the idea that freedom without responsibility or sacrifice is reasonable and should be expected and demanded that escapes me,,,


The problem is we can't be able to take responsibility for ourselves if the terms of it is forced upon us. Personal responsibility means you are responsible for what you do and you ONLY. It's not, that if you **** up everyone else has to change how they act for what you did. I'm sorry, but it does not work that way, and never did.

Anytime something bad happens, the cry is for more regulations, stricter laws, etc etc etc, but this just takes our responsibility to take care of ourselves away from us. No personal responsibilty, no freedom either. Once you let others tell you what you can and can't do like that, you give it up.



really? you dont take responsiblity for yourself?

thats odd,, I have no problem doing so, even with laws and regulations,,,


You don't get it at all, when you start to let the state tell you what you can and can't do, then you lose you the ability to take that responsibility for yourself.

Take raw dairy for example, it's practically a crime in some places to get the stuff, and they wanna crack down on it more and more by the day. If we can't get it, we aren't being given that choice to consume it if we choose and take the responsibility of any consequences.

Same goes for other things too in the same vein. Marijuana is another one.

When the state tells you can't do something even if you want to, you cannot be able to freely choose for yourself to do that thing any longer. Simple as that.



life has rules, rules dont tell me what to do, rules dictate the social consequence of what I do

I still get to take as much personal responsibility as I wish.

I think a study of the meaning of 'choice' would be beneficial. Choice does not cease to exist with consequence

consequence is a natural part of life, consequence is the 'reaction' to our choice in 'actions'

I dont roam around feeling deprived because of consequences, I simply choose if my actions are important enough to risk the consequence,,,

If I get in my car, there is a chance that I may be in an accident

is it worth it,,,sure


If I smoke some weed, there is a chance I can get arrested, is it worth it ,,,,probably not to me, but to many I know,,,sure


If I spank my child, there is a chance some overzealous observer will call the police,,,,is it worth it to me,,,,yes,,,,

,,and on and on,,,,,life was never meant to be a catwalk, we wouldnt appreciate it nearly as much if it were

we wouldnt be nearly as happy as we think if we truly lived in a culture where three hundred million seperate individuals all could just choose to do whatever made them happy,,,,,


No life was not meant to be easy, but it was not meant to be a prison planet either, where things are dictated by others around you, instead of by you yourself. And that's where we're going if we're not there already.

So I beg to differ, if people were given more freedom to live how they wanted, the world would be a lot nicer place to live. They'd be allowed then to make choices for themselves, good and bad, to live, love, learn and experience. A lot of the things we aren't allowed to do now, because some uppity people think they can decide for them what's good for them.



but I thought the argument was that people find a way to 'do' what they want regardless of rules, seems like they take responsibility by making their own choice

so why object to them?

alot of things we arent allowed to do, because some people can see how what we do affects others even when its not an IMMEDIATE and personal affect on someone right next to us,,,


Why object? Because some of the laws simply shouldn't be laws in the first place. If you wanna live on a planet where everything you do is regulated fine, but I refuse to accept that. We were not made to be slaves to people above us.

And a lot of the things we aren't allowed to do, is because people wanna control us too. But I don't expect you to understand that, cause you never get anything I try to say anyway.




I dont want to live in a place where EVERYTHING is regulated either, but I do appreciate the need for the things that are regulated in OUR society with three hundred million seperate individuals , potentially dangerous manufacturing and technology which touches millions of lives and an environment millions must share,,,





Thing is that's exactly where it's going, they seek to control everything. You may not believe it, you may not wanna see it, but it IS happening. They take advantage of people like you and others that will accept the things they are doing, and as long as we keep allowing it they WILL take more and more until we have nothing left.

Truth may hurt, but it's the truth nevertheless.

msharmony's photo
Thu 12/29/11 02:27 AM












next, lets make sure they stop regulating who owns and drives cars,, if people want to be wreckless they will,,,

and lets stop passing laws about sexual consent, if people want to force themself on somoene , they will...


rules and regulations are never necessary, lets go for total freedom and chaos so people can be 'happy'....


You CAN'T protect everyone from everything Msharmony, I don't care how many damn laws you pass, if someone wants to commit a crime they will still do it. I am sick and damn tired of living in a nanny state where every little thing we do is regulated up the ***. If that's a country you wanna live in, have at it, but not me. Give me personal responsibility and personal freedom any day of the week.

It shows how far we've fallen that such ideas have almost become a 4 letter word anymore. We've forgotten what it really means to be free.



of course we cant protect everyone from everything, but the answer isnt griping about any attempt to protect anyone from anything,,,


its not the idea that freedom is a four letter word

its the idea that freedom without responsibility or sacrifice is reasonable and should be expected and demanded that escapes me,,,


The problem is we can't be able to take responsibility for ourselves if the terms of it is forced upon us. Personal responsibility means you are responsible for what you do and you ONLY. It's not, that if you **** up everyone else has to change how they act for what you did. I'm sorry, but it does not work that way, and never did.

Anytime something bad happens, the cry is for more regulations, stricter laws, etc etc etc, but this just takes our responsibility to take care of ourselves away from us. No personal responsibilty, no freedom either. Once you let others tell you what you can and can't do like that, you give it up.



really? you dont take responsiblity for yourself?

thats odd,, I have no problem doing so, even with laws and regulations,,,


You don't get it at all, when you start to let the state tell you what you can and can't do, then you lose you the ability to take that responsibility for yourself.

Take raw dairy for example, it's practically a crime in some places to get the stuff, and they wanna crack down on it more and more by the day. If we can't get it, we aren't being given that choice to consume it if we choose and take the responsibility of any consequences.

Same goes for other things too in the same vein. Marijuana is another one.

When the state tells you can't do something even if you want to, you cannot be able to freely choose for yourself to do that thing any longer. Simple as that.



life has rules, rules dont tell me what to do, rules dictate the social consequence of what I do

I still get to take as much personal responsibility as I wish.

I think a study of the meaning of 'choice' would be beneficial. Choice does not cease to exist with consequence

consequence is a natural part of life, consequence is the 'reaction' to our choice in 'actions'

I dont roam around feeling deprived because of consequences, I simply choose if my actions are important enough to risk the consequence,,,

If I get in my car, there is a chance that I may be in an accident

is it worth it,,,sure


If I smoke some weed, there is a chance I can get arrested, is it worth it ,,,,probably not to me, but to many I know,,,sure


If I spank my child, there is a chance some overzealous observer will call the police,,,,is it worth it to me,,,,yes,,,,

,,and on and on,,,,,life was never meant to be a catwalk, we wouldnt appreciate it nearly as much if it were

we wouldnt be nearly as happy as we think if we truly lived in a culture where three hundred million seperate individuals all could just choose to do whatever made them happy,,,,,


No life was not meant to be easy, but it was not meant to be a prison planet either, where things are dictated by others around you, instead of by you yourself. And that's where we're going if we're not there already.

So I beg to differ, if people were given more freedom to live how they wanted, the world would be a lot nicer place to live. They'd be allowed then to make choices for themselves, good and bad, to live, love, learn and experience. A lot of the things we aren't allowed to do now, because some uppity people think they can decide for them what's good for them.



but I thought the argument was that people find a way to 'do' what they want regardless of rules, seems like they take responsibility by making their own choice

so why object to them?

alot of things we arent allowed to do, because some people can see how what we do affects others even when its not an IMMEDIATE and personal affect on someone right next to us,,,


Why object? Because some of the laws simply shouldn't be laws in the first place. If you wanna live on a planet where everything you do is regulated fine, but I refuse to accept that. We were not made to be slaves to people above us.

And a lot of the things we aren't allowed to do, is because people wanna control us too. But I don't expect you to understand that, cause you never get anything I try to say anyway.




I dont want to live in a place where EVERYTHING is regulated either, but I do appreciate the need for the things that are regulated in OUR society with three hundred million seperate individuals , potentially dangerous manufacturing and technology which touches millions of lives and an environment millions must share,,,





Thing is that's exactly where it's going, they seek to control everything. You may not believe it, you may not wanna see it, but it IS happening. They take advantage of people like you and others that will accept the things they are doing, and as long as we keep allowing it they WILL take more and more until we have nothing left.

Truth may hurt, but it's the truth nevertheless.


actually, that falls under the catgory of 'opinion'

nothing there that has or can be proven,,,,

I have lived forty two years, and most days , from sunrise to sunset, I have felt free to do whatever I wanted

and I feel blessed for it, knowing that is not the case in so much of the world,,,

msharmony's photo
Thu 12/29/11 02:27 AM













next, lets make sure they stop regulating who owns and drives cars,, if people want to be wreckless they will,,,

and lets stop passing laws about sexual consent, if people want to force themself on somoene , they will...


rules and regulations are never necessary, lets go for total freedom and chaos so people can be 'happy'....


You CAN'T protect everyone from everything Msharmony, I don't care how many damn laws you pass, if someone wants to commit a crime they will still do it. I am sick and damn tired of living in a nanny state where every little thing we do is regulated up the ***. If that's a country you wanna live in, have at it, but not me. Give me personal responsibility and personal freedom any day of the week.

It shows how far we've fallen that such ideas have almost become a 4 letter word anymore. We've forgotten what it really means to be free.



of course we cant protect everyone from everything, but the answer isnt griping about any attempt to protect anyone from anything,,,


its not the idea that freedom is a four letter word

its the idea that freedom without responsibility or sacrifice is reasonable and should be expected and demanded that escapes me,,,


The problem is we can't be able to take responsibility for ourselves if the terms of it is forced upon us. Personal responsibility means you are responsible for what you do and you ONLY. It's not, that if you **** up everyone else has to change how they act for what you did. I'm sorry, but it does not work that way, and never did.

Anytime something bad happens, the cry is for more regulations, stricter laws, etc etc etc, but this just takes our responsibility to take care of ourselves away from us. No personal responsibilty, no freedom either. Once you let others tell you what you can and can't do like that, you give it up.



really? you dont take responsiblity for yourself?

thats odd,, I have no problem doing so, even with laws and regulations,,,


You don't get it at all, when you start to let the state tell you what you can and can't do, then you lose you the ability to take that responsibility for yourself.

Take raw dairy for example, it's practically a crime in some places to get the stuff, and they wanna crack down on it more and more by the day. If we can't get it, we aren't being given that choice to consume it if we choose and take the responsibility of any consequences.

Same goes for other things too in the same vein. Marijuana is another one.

When the state tells you can't do something even if you want to, you cannot be able to freely choose for yourself to do that thing any longer. Simple as that.



life has rules, rules dont tell me what to do, rules dictate the social consequence of what I do

I still get to take as much personal responsibility as I wish.

I think a study of the meaning of 'choice' would be beneficial. Choice does not cease to exist with consequence

consequence is a natural part of life, consequence is the 'reaction' to our choice in 'actions'

I dont roam around feeling deprived because of consequences, I simply choose if my actions are important enough to risk the consequence,,,

If I get in my car, there is a chance that I may be in an accident

is it worth it,,,sure


If I smoke some weed, there is a chance I can get arrested, is it worth it ,,,,probably not to me, but to many I know,,,sure


If I spank my child, there is a chance some overzealous observer will call the police,,,,is it worth it to me,,,,yes,,,,

,,and on and on,,,,,life was never meant to be a catwalk, we wouldnt appreciate it nearly as much if it were

we wouldnt be nearly as happy as we think if we truly lived in a culture where three hundred million seperate individuals all could just choose to do whatever made them happy,,,,,


No life was not meant to be easy, but it was not meant to be a prison planet either, where things are dictated by others around you, instead of by you yourself. And that's where we're going if we're not there already.

So I beg to differ, if people were given more freedom to live how they wanted, the world would be a lot nicer place to live. They'd be allowed then to make choices for themselves, good and bad, to live, love, learn and experience. A lot of the things we aren't allowed to do now, because some uppity people think they can decide for them what's good for them.



but I thought the argument was that people find a way to 'do' what they want regardless of rules, seems like they take responsibility by making their own choice

so why object to them?

alot of things we arent allowed to do, because some people can see how what we do affects others even when its not an IMMEDIATE and personal affect on someone right next to us,,,


Why object? Because some of the laws simply shouldn't be laws in the first place. If you wanna live on a planet where everything you do is regulated fine, but I refuse to accept that. We were not made to be slaves to people above us.

And a lot of the things we aren't allowed to do, is because people wanna control us too. But I don't expect you to understand that, cause you never get anything I try to say anyway.




I dont want to live in a place where EVERYTHING is regulated either, but I do appreciate the need for the things that are regulated in OUR society with three hundred million seperate individuals , potentially dangerous manufacturing and technology which touches millions of lives and an environment millions must share,,,





Thing is that's exactly where it's going, they seek to control everything. You may not believe it, you may not wanna see it, but it IS happening. They take advantage of people like you and others that will accept the things they are doing, and as long as we keep allowing it they WILL take more and more until we have nothing left.

Truth may hurt, but it's the truth nevertheless.


actually, that falls under the catgory of 'opinion'

nothing there that has or can be proven,,,,

I have lived forty two years, and most days , from sunrise to sunset, I have felt free to do whatever I wanted

I have not once gone to jail or been arrested for those things either,,,

and I feel blessed for it, knowing that is not the case in so much of the world,,,

Kleisto's photo
Thu 12/29/11 02:29 AM














next, lets make sure they stop regulating who owns and drives cars,, if people want to be wreckless they will,,,

and lets stop passing laws about sexual consent, if people want to force themself on somoene , they will...


rules and regulations are never necessary, lets go for total freedom and chaos so people can be 'happy'....


You CAN'T protect everyone from everything Msharmony, I don't care how many damn laws you pass, if someone wants to commit a crime they will still do it. I am sick and damn tired of living in a nanny state where every little thing we do is regulated up the ***. If that's a country you wanna live in, have at it, but not me. Give me personal responsibility and personal freedom any day of the week.

It shows how far we've fallen that such ideas have almost become a 4 letter word anymore. We've forgotten what it really means to be free.



of course we cant protect everyone from everything, but the answer isnt griping about any attempt to protect anyone from anything,,,


its not the idea that freedom is a four letter word

its the idea that freedom without responsibility or sacrifice is reasonable and should be expected and demanded that escapes me,,,


The problem is we can't be able to take responsibility for ourselves if the terms of it is forced upon us. Personal responsibility means you are responsible for what you do and you ONLY. It's not, that if you **** up everyone else has to change how they act for what you did. I'm sorry, but it does not work that way, and never did.

Anytime something bad happens, the cry is for more regulations, stricter laws, etc etc etc, but this just takes our responsibility to take care of ourselves away from us. No personal responsibilty, no freedom either. Once you let others tell you what you can and can't do like that, you give it up.



really? you dont take responsiblity for yourself?

thats odd,, I have no problem doing so, even with laws and regulations,,,


You don't get it at all, when you start to let the state tell you what you can and can't do, then you lose you the ability to take that responsibility for yourself.

Take raw dairy for example, it's practically a crime in some places to get the stuff, and they wanna crack down on it more and more by the day. If we can't get it, we aren't being given that choice to consume it if we choose and take the responsibility of any consequences.

Same goes for other things too in the same vein. Marijuana is another one.

When the state tells you can't do something even if you want to, you cannot be able to freely choose for yourself to do that thing any longer. Simple as that.



life has rules, rules dont tell me what to do, rules dictate the social consequence of what I do

I still get to take as much personal responsibility as I wish.

I think a study of the meaning of 'choice' would be beneficial. Choice does not cease to exist with consequence

consequence is a natural part of life, consequence is the 'reaction' to our choice in 'actions'

I dont roam around feeling deprived because of consequences, I simply choose if my actions are important enough to risk the consequence,,,

If I get in my car, there is a chance that I may be in an accident

is it worth it,,,sure


If I smoke some weed, there is a chance I can get arrested, is it worth it ,,,,probably not to me, but to many I know,,,sure


If I spank my child, there is a chance some overzealous observer will call the police,,,,is it worth it to me,,,,yes,,,,

,,and on and on,,,,,life was never meant to be a catwalk, we wouldnt appreciate it nearly as much if it were

we wouldnt be nearly as happy as we think if we truly lived in a culture where three hundred million seperate individuals all could just choose to do whatever made them happy,,,,,


No life was not meant to be easy, but it was not meant to be a prison planet either, where things are dictated by others around you, instead of by you yourself. And that's where we're going if we're not there already.

So I beg to differ, if people were given more freedom to live how they wanted, the world would be a lot nicer place to live. They'd be allowed then to make choices for themselves, good and bad, to live, love, learn and experience. A lot of the things we aren't allowed to do now, because some uppity people think they can decide for them what's good for them.



but I thought the argument was that people find a way to 'do' what they want regardless of rules, seems like they take responsibility by making their own choice

so why object to them?

alot of things we arent allowed to do, because some people can see how what we do affects others even when its not an IMMEDIATE and personal affect on someone right next to us,,,


Why object? Because some of the laws simply shouldn't be laws in the first place. If you wanna live on a planet where everything you do is regulated fine, but I refuse to accept that. We were not made to be slaves to people above us.

And a lot of the things we aren't allowed to do, is because people wanna control us too. But I don't expect you to understand that, cause you never get anything I try to say anyway.




I dont want to live in a place where EVERYTHING is regulated either, but I do appreciate the need for the things that are regulated in OUR society with three hundred million seperate individuals , potentially dangerous manufacturing and technology which touches millions of lives and an environment millions must share,,,





Thing is that's exactly where it's going, they seek to control everything. You may not believe it, you may not wanna see it, but it IS happening. They take advantage of people like you and others that will accept the things they are doing, and as long as we keep allowing it they WILL take more and more until we have nothing left.

Truth may hurt, but it's the truth nevertheless.


actually, that falls under the catgory of 'opinion'

nothing there that has or can be proven,,,,

I have lived forty two years, and most days , from sunrise to sunset, I have felt free to do whatever I wanted

I have not once gone to jail or been arrested for those things either,,,

and I feel blessed for it, knowing that is not the case in so much of the world,,,



Not really, it's a fact that can be seen just by looking at history, but whatever makes you sleep at night. You'll find out one day, we all will eventually. We'll have to wake up then. I'm out.

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next, lets make sure they stop regulating who owns and drives cars,, if people want to be wreckless they will,,,

and lets stop passing laws about sexual consent, if people want to force themself on somoene , they will...


rules and regulations are never necessary, lets go for total freedom and chaos so people can be 'happy'....


You CAN'T protect everyone from everything Msharmony, I don't care how many damn laws you pass, if someone wants to commit a crime they will still do it. I am sick and damn tired of living in a nanny state where every little thing we do is regulated up the ***. If that's a country you wanna live in, have at it, but not me. Give me personal responsibility and personal freedom any day of the week.

It shows how far we've fallen that such ideas have almost become a 4 letter word anymore. We've forgotten what it really means to be free.



of course we cant protect everyone from everything, but the answer isnt griping about any attempt to protect anyone from anything,,,


its not the idea that freedom is a four letter word

its the idea that freedom without responsibility or sacrifice is reasonable and should be expected and demanded that escapes me,,,


The problem is we can't be able to take responsibility for ourselves if the terms of it is forced upon us. Personal responsibility means you are responsible for what you do and you ONLY. It's not, that if you **** up everyone else has to change how they act for what you did. I'm sorry, but it does not work that way, and never did.

Anytime something bad happens, the cry is for more regulations, stricter laws, etc etc etc, but this just takes our responsibility to take care of ourselves away from us. No personal responsibilty, no freedom either. Once you let others tell you what you can and can't do like that, you give it up.



really? you dont take responsiblity for yourself?

thats odd,, I have no problem doing so, even with laws and regulations,,,


You don't get it at all, when you start to let the state tell you what you can and can't do, then you lose you the ability to take that responsibility for yourself.

Take raw dairy for example, it's practically a crime in some places to get the stuff, and they wanna crack down on it more and more by the day. If we can't get it, we aren't being given that choice to consume it if we choose and take the responsibility of any consequences.

Same goes for other things too in the same vein. Marijuana is another one.

When the state tells you can't do something even if you want to, you cannot be able to freely choose for yourself to do that thing any longer. Simple as that.



life has rules, rules dont tell me what to do, rules dictate the social consequence of what I do

I still get to take as much personal responsibility as I wish.

I think a study of the meaning of 'choice' would be beneficial. Choice does not cease to exist with consequence

consequence is a natural part of life, consequence is the 'reaction' to our choice in 'actions'

I dont roam around feeling deprived because of consequences, I simply choose if my actions are important enough to risk the consequence,,,

If I get in my car, there is a chance that I may be in an accident

is it worth it,,,sure


If I smoke some weed, there is a chance I can get arrested, is it worth it ,,,,probably not to me, but to many I know,,,sure


If I spank my child, there is a chance some overzealous observer will call the police,,,,is it worth it to me,,,,yes,,,,

,,and on and on,,,,,life was never meant to be a catwalk, we wouldnt appreciate it nearly as much if it were

we wouldnt be nearly as happy as we think if we truly lived in a culture where three hundred million seperate individuals all could just choose to do whatever made them happy,,,,,


No life was not meant to be easy, but it was not meant to be a prison planet either, where things are dictated by others around you, instead of by you yourself. And that's where we're going if we're not there already.

So I beg to differ, if people were given more freedom to live how they wanted, the world would be a lot nicer place to live. They'd be allowed then to make choices for themselves, good and bad, to live, love, learn and experience. A lot of the things we aren't allowed to do now, because some uppity people think they can decide for them what's good for them.



but I thought the argument was that people find a way to 'do' what they want regardless of rules, seems like they take responsibility by making their own choice

so why object to them?

alot of things we arent allowed to do, because some people can see how what we do affects others even when its not an IMMEDIATE and personal affect on someone right next to us,,,


Why object? Because some of the laws simply shouldn't be laws in the first place. If you wanna live on a planet where everything you do is regulated fine, but I refuse to accept that. We were not made to be slaves to people above us.

And a lot of the things we aren't allowed to do, is because people wanna control us too. But I don't expect you to understand that, cause you never get anything I try to say anyway.




I dont want to live in a place where EVERYTHING is regulated either, but I do appreciate the need for the things that are regulated in OUR society with three hundred million seperate individuals , potentially dangerous manufacturing and technology which touches millions of lives and an environment millions must share,,,





Thing is that's exactly where it's going, they seek to control everything. You may not believe it, you may not wanna see it, but it IS happening. They take advantage of people like you and others that will accept the things they are doing, and as long as we keep allowing it they WILL take more and more until we have nothing left.

Truth may hurt, but it's the truth nevertheless.


actually, that falls under the catgory of 'opinion'

nothing there that has or can be proven,,,,

I have lived forty two years, and most days , from sunrise to sunset, I have felt free to do whatever I wanted

I have not once gone to jail or been arrested for those things either,,,

and I feel blessed for it, knowing that is not the case in so much of the world,,,



Not really, it's a fact that can be seen just by looking at history, but whatever makes you sleep at night. You'll find out one day, we all will eventually. We'll have to wake up then. I'm out.



lol, I love how any disagreement amounts to someone not being 'awake'

smh

the fact that can be seen in history is that people are imperfect and make imperfect societies, that they constantly grow and change, and that they are capable of learning and adjusting


'they' seeking to control everything has not and cannot be proven since there is no way to even pinpoint who the 'they' are, and biology dictates that the 'they' must necessarily change from generation to generation

not to mention that 'everything' covers far too much undefinable territory to possibly quantify when we are halfway to having 'everything' controlled,,, let alone close to it,,,

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