Topic: Capital Punishment in the U.S.: Yes? No? How?
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Tue 06/30/15 10:55 AM
Capital Punishment in the U.S.: Yes? No? How?

After the escape of two convicted murderers from a New York State prison, and the ~$Million $Dollar per $Day $manhunt they caused, there may be renewed attention on capital punishment.

SCOTUS has wrestled with this and stumbled over functional fixedness.
The infamous "3 drug (IV) cocktail" is a distraction.
They're fadidilling over whether the executee feels a little pain (or whatever).

How silly!

We already KNOW that there are ways to die artificially that are so painless, the victim doesn't even know it.

Carbon monoxide poisoning is classic example.
Just drop a plastic bag over their head.
Is that too tough?

So what's really going on here?
Are these guys really that stupid?
Or is there some underlying issue; kickbacks to the pharmaceutical industry for example?

note:
This topic inspired by S2.

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Tue 06/30/15 11:57 AM
I dont know all the reasons everyone gives to approve or disapprove

certainly, concern for pain is in the list

however, for me, Killing is killing, unless in immediate unprovoked self defense and I see anytime someone sets out a plan to end life,(with the possible exception of war where everyone involved has been made aware of the risks), they are in the wrong,,,and it is not their place

,,,just my opinion

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Tue 06/30/15 12:14 PM
SCOTUS has wrestled with this and stumbled
over functional fixedness.
The infamous "3 drug (IV) cocktail" is a
distraction.
They're fadidilling over whether the executee
feels a little pain (or whatever).
If the worry was pain, a 9mm round to the base of the skull should ease any concerns. One second the bad guy is alive, a cpl milliseconds later, he isnt.
But the problem with the death penalty now is the endless (seemingly) appeals process...and the people cleared of wrong doing by DNA.
Surely now, we can come up with a set of standards on which the guilty can be given a death sentence. DNA, multiple witnesses to the crime, etc....that could forego the numerous appeals.

For those who think the death penalty, in any form, is inhumane, I ask what you think an appropriate punishment is in this case......

"" A mother is under arrest after allegedly
allowing her boyfriend to rape her infant
child, causing the child to die.
Jessica Lynn Howell, 25, of St. Charles
County, Missouri, was arrested in connection
with the death of her four-month-old
daughter, Ashlynn Lilith Peters. Ashlynn died
December 3, 2012.
Originally Howell was not charged as she
claimed innocence in the attack, but
prosecutors say text messages between
Howell and her boyfriend Jordan Lafayette
Prince are conclusive and damning.
Prince has been in custody awaiting trial for
the murder of Ashlynn Lilith Peters for several
months, and has a past history of sexual
abuse which Howell admits to knowing. In an
apparent attempt to spice up their
relationship, Howell offered to allow Prince
the opportunity to sexually molest her
daughter.
According to the local reporting of
fox2now.com St. Charles Prosecuting
Attorney Tim Lohmar said:

" In those text messages
she suggested and
encouraged some
unspeakable things. It is
very, very disturbing."

While the text messages between the two
suspects have not been released, the official
police report tells a gruesome story about the
condition little Ashlynn was found:

" Ashlynn was sexually
assaulted causing
multiple tears to her anus,
a massive laceration to
her rectum with massive
hematoma in the area of
the pelvis. The injuries to
the anus and rectum of
Ashlynn were sufficient to
eventually cause her
death even without
strangulation."

Beyond the rape that caused Ashlynn to stop
breathing, she was also beaten:

" Ashlynn was also the
victim of blunt force
trauma to the left side of
her head causing a
laceration to her ear and
a hemorrhage near her
skull."

http://www.examiner.com/article/infant-dies-after-being-raped-mother-encouraged-the-attack-and-watched

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/30/15 04:34 PM
life imprisonment

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Tue 06/30/15 05:14 PM

life imprisonment

#ChildRapistAndKillersLivesMatter amirite?!


Kidding! laugh

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/30/15 05:16 PM


life imprisonment

#ChildRapistAndKillersLivesMatter amirite?!


Kidding! laugh


lol

no hashtag movement here,, but yeah, I do believe life matters,,even those of the most 'awful' people

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Tue 06/30/15 05:30 PM
SCOTUS has wrestled with this and stumbled over functional fixedness.

It kind of has to.

I don't think SCOTUS has a say on what methods are used.

Only in determining if the methods being used are legal.

Only in determining if the methods being used represent "cruel and unusual punishment."

I don't believe they're allowed to say "this is what we believe to be non cruel and unusual punishment death. Do it this way instead. You have to do it this way."

So what's really going on here?
Are these guys really that stupid?

No one is as stupid as you think they are.
No one is as smart as they think they are.

What's really going on here are a bunch of fallible people trying to do what they believe to be right, and their duty, while giving at least the appearance that they're following impartial rules.

Or is there some underlying issue; kickbacks to the pharmaceutical industry for example?

I don't think SCOTUS would be getting those so much as prison wardens or state representatives that are maintaining the death penalty.