Topic: Illegal Alien charged with DWI was released on bail
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Thu 07/09/15 06:58 PM

I-Team investigates why man charged with DWI was released on bail
by WTVD – Raleigh/Durham 2:50 mins

The federal agency ICE is defending a decision not to place a detainer on an illegal immigrant who was charged in a DWI hit-and-run accident over the 4th of July weekend. Two people were severely injured. Luckily no fatalities. He posted a $75,000 bail and hasn't been seen since.
Go figure.slaphead


http://sports.yahoo.com/video/team-investigates-why-man-charged-225611760.html

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Thu 07/09/15 07:04 PM
Raleigh N.C. is a sanctuary city.

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Fri 07/10/15 03:55 AM
Because we ( America) don't want to do much about the illegals here. I mean really.. its a bit late, there is millions here from Mexico already. How would we round them up and send them back?

Do they even do immigration raids anymore? In my area the entire west side of town is now "little Mexico", the vast majority illegal. They have shops, jobs, kids, ect. Everything looks legal... it just ain't legal.

I have never seen a raid.. heard of a raid or even saw something that vastly resembled a agency that should have a interest in this stuff over there.

Maybe in other areas it is different, but in mine... nobody really seems to care.

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Fri 07/10/15 04:32 AM
I just came across this interesting info.

The Revolution

What if the illegals left?

Somebody really did their homework on this one. Best on the subject to present date.

What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?

Visit Obama Enemies for more on Illegal immigration

I, Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, "Mexican Visitor's Lament."

I interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said, "Illegal aliens pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes. What happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"

Hmmm, I thought, what would happen?

So I did my due diligence, buried my nose as a reporter into the FACTS I found below.

It's a good question... it deserves an honest answer. Over 80% of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers I found may surprise you!

In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again.

In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grandchilds would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Colorado an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.

Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67% dropout/flunk rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's 4% unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law, and English.

In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.

If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home,' the U.S. Economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.

No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.

In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the '18th Street Gang' would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!

Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!

America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America 's economy which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt. $8.7 trillion debt!!!

At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act. Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country - brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.

Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the 'progressives' on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11% of our greenhouse gases.

Over one million of Mexico's poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas, to San Diego, California, in what the New York Times called, 'colonias' or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, roads, electricity, or any kind of sanitation.

The New York Times reported them to be America's new 'Third World' inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonials. (I've seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it's sickening beyond anything you can imagine.)

By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico. We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million people into our country legally annually, more than all other countries combined. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.

It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.

Interesting Statistics!

Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should vacate America, and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

1. $14 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare to illegal aliens (that's Billion with a 'B')

3. $7.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they still cannot speak a word of English!

5. $27 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

6. $3 Million Dollars 'PER DAY' is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. That's $1.2 Billion a year.

7. 28% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.

8. $190 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in t he US.

11. During the year 2005, there were 8 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from other terrorist countries. Over 10,000 of those were middle-eastern terrorists. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin, crack, guns, and marijuana crossed into the U.S. from the southern border.

12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.

13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $65 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin, to their families and friends.

14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States!

Total cost a whopping $538.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!

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Fri 07/10/15 04:39 AM
Edited by IamwhoIam1 on Fri 07/10/15 04:41 AM
My family, like many others, struggled for many years to enter the U.S.A. legally. I would love to have a chunk of that $538.3 billion that is being spent on illegals per year! I would finally buy my own house and car!!! Why is the system paying into the illegal way of life??? How about using all those billions of dollars to reward those who are hard working upstanding citizens and have contributed to society?!!!



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Fri 07/10/15 04:40 AM
Such a crying shame and what a waste!!!

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Fri 07/10/15 05:12 AM

http://m.mic.com/articles/121452/the-time-has-come-to-recognize-president-obama-s-game-changing-liberal-legacy/

The Time Has Come to Recognize President Obama's Game-Changing Liberal Legacy
By Gregory Krieg 12 days ago

It wasn't supposed to go down like this. In the aftermath of the 2014 midterm elections, when Democrats ceded control of the Senate and saw their deficit steepen in statehouses across the country, President Barack Obama was widely expected to set aside his ambitions and map out a more cautious agenda.

That was eight months ago.

After a thrilling and fraught week in Washington D.C., and South Carolina, Obama's legacy is coming into plain view — and emerging as one of the sharpest and most significant in the last century of liberal politics.

The quick succession of Supreme Court rulings, first to reject a last gasp challenge to a key portion of Obama's Affordable Care Act and, a day later, to embrace his administration's late push to guarantee marriage equality have underlined a game-changing era of hard-won and deeply meaningful social progress.

A vote for action: Sixteen days after the midterm rout, Obama used his executive authorities in an attempt to shield from deportation as many as 5 million people living in the U.S. illegally. Hillary Clinton, now running for president herself, promised in May to use Obama's move as a stepping stone to even broader action.


Source: Carolyn Kaster/AP
In December, he moved to normalize relations with Cuba after more than 50 years of fruitless economic isolation. By the spring, the administration's top diplomat, Secretary of State John Kerry, had agreed to the framework of a deal that would, if formally agreed, implemented and carried out, set Iran back a generation in its pursuit of a nuclear weapon. And when 196 nations arrive in Paris in November for a U.N. climate conference, the U.S. will be able to tout its historic 2014 agreement with the Chinese to cut, halt and reverse carbon emission trends.

On race: Meanwhile, the Black Lives Matter movement continued to defy expectations and gain currency as a political force. Obama has been and remains exceedingly careful about relating his own experiences to those of the protesters in Ferguson, Missouri, New York and Baltimore, where demonstrations descended into scattered riots after 25-year-old Freddie Gray was killed in police custody in April.

But in the 11 days following the massacre at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, Obama has sharpened his tone.

"At some point, as a country we have to reckon with what happens," he said. "It is not good enough simply to show sympathy."


Source: Mic/White House
Obama was making the case for boldness in the fight for stricter gun control laws. Yet it felt like something more. One week later, on Friday afternoon, that something was on full, passionate display in Charleston, where Obama eulogized Sen. Clementa Pinckney, the pastor of "Mother Emanuel" and one of nine black victims in the church shooting.

Before he so famously led the more than 5,500 in attendance in singing "Amazing Grace," Obama made plain the nature of the crime that had brought him to South Carolina.

"It was an act that drew on a long history of bombs and arson and shots fired at churches, not random, but as a means of control, a way to terrorize and oppress," he said. "An act that [the alleged killer] imagined would incite fear and recrimination; violence and suspicion. An act that he presumed would deepen divisions that trace back to our nation's original sin.

"Oh, but God works in mysterious ways." From that moment on, for as long as he held the stage, Obama had become the "Reverend President."


This was a different persona from the "professorial" character many have described, usually as a term of derision. Maybe it was the church, the praise chorus rallying behind him as he spoke. But maybe too, it was the momentum of the past week, which began with an interview on comedian Marc Maron's WTF podcast, in which Obama spoke frankly about the paradox of race and progress.

"It's not just a matter of it not being polite to say '******' in public," Obama told Maron. "That's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. It's not just a matter of overt discrimination. Societies don't overnight completely erase everything that happened two to 300 years prior."

Where he stands: Obama is a progressive in the truest historical definition of the term. Like President Teddy Roosevelt, who along with his supporters gave rise to the first wave of the movement in the early 1900s, and President Franklin D. Roosevelt, author of the "New Deal" and Social Security, Obama has rejected notions of the U.S. as a center-right country by championing environmental causes and minimum wage hikes, all while building a more robust welfare state.


Source: AFP/Getty Images
Much like President Lyndon B. Johnson, who passed a remarkable range of civil rights legislation through Congress before moving on to Medicare and Medicaid during a two-year period between 1964 and 1966, Obama will see his domestic policy achievements weighed against failures abroad. For Johnson, the escalation of the Vietnam War would be his albatross; in Obama's case, it is the shameful and deadly drone war over Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen.

Obama seems to know or understand this. New Yorker editor David Remnick shared a startling piece of self-analysis Friday from the president, whom he has interviewed on a number of occasions.

"...every morning and every night I'm taking measure of my actions against the options and possibilities available to me, understanding that there are going to be mistakes that I make and my team makes and that America makes; understanding that there are going to be limits to the good we can do and the bad that we can prevent, and that there's going to be tragedy out there and, by occupying this office, I am part of that tragedy occasionally, but that, if I am doing my very best and basing my decisions on the core values and ideals that I was brought up with and that I think are pretty consistent with those of most Americans, that, at the end of the day, things will be better rather than worse."
Obama's words here are from early 2014, months before unarmed black teen Michael Brown was slain on a hot summer street in Ferguson, Missouri, by a white police officer. Despite nearly 18 months of upheaval, alternating with frustration and triumph in almost equal measure, Obama has never appeared more confident. Obamacare has survived and mostly thrived as his voice — which tapped such rich veins in Charleston — has been written on the heart of a rapidly evolving social order.

Asked by Maron during their podcast interview about what he's learned about himself during these nearly seven years in the White House, Obama compared his experience to that of a professional athlete in the late stages of his prime.

"You might slow down a little bit, and you might not jump as high as you used to," Obama said, "but I know what I'm doing, and I'm fearless."


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Fri 07/10/15 05:36 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Fri 07/10/15 05:38 AM
offtopic Sorry alleoops, for going off topic with the entire article. It frustrates me so....people are NOT paying attention to what is really happening. And the media is acting like immigration is a new issue & saying if ANYONE does NOT agree with this liberal/ Obamanation/ open boarder adgenda.. then they are raciest. B@LLSH@T !
NO .... WE ARE AMERICANS who are NOT taking care of OUR OWN people.. & we are NOT PROTECTING AMERICANS in their own communities. rant

QUOTED...

A vote for action: Sixteen days after the midterm rout, Obama used his executive authorities in an attempt to shield from deportation as many as 5 million people living in the U.S. illegally. Hillary Clinton, now running for president herself, promised in May to use Obama's move as a stepping stone to even broader action.


frustrated




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Fri 07/10/15 05:48 AM
Immigration Reform won't happen until BOTH parties have nothing to lose and everything to gain...

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Fri 07/10/15 05:55 AM

Because we ( America) don't want to do much about the illegals here. I mean really.. its a bit late, there is millions here from Mexico already. How would we round them up and send them back?

Do they even do immigration raids anymore? In my area the entire west side of town is now "little Mexico", the vast majority illegal. They have shops, jobs, kids, ect. Everything looks legal... it just ain't legal.

I have never seen a raid.. heard of a raid or even saw something that vastly resembled a agency that should have a interest in this stuff over there.

Maybe in other areas it is different, but in mine... nobody really seems to care.


There is OBVIOUSLY a plan here. An AGENDA. What or why? I have no idea. But obviously to have an " open boarder policy " like much of Europe.
And how's that working for them? laugh * sarcasm * ( I made TWO threads on it yesterday). It is not working. It is causing destruction & chaos & more debt & more poverty.

Immigration here is outrageous.
( I haven' t checked the new stats yet, & those stats would just be LEGAL people) And the US is the 3rd most populated country on the planet. (Yet other countries are much, much larger, with much less people).

So how? Where ? This is an incredible burden & undertaking. It boggles my brain

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Fri 07/10/15 06:02 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Fri 07/10/15 06:07 AM

Immigration Reform won't happen until BOTH parties have nothing to lose and everything to gain...


what Having enough for our own people & protecting them from FOREIGNERS/ Outsiders & following OUR OWN LAWS & NOT trying to OVERRIDE any laws for VOTES... should of been the agenda in the first place ! And should of been enough incentive to do the RIGHT thing for the AMERICAN PEOPLE & NOT BUY DEMOCRATIC VOTES.

* This has been going on since the 1970's , when major cities. (New York was first & Democratic), to change the RESIDENTCY requirement for PUERTO RICO ! , for them to receive welfare with only a few weeks in New York .... yea, this ' be nice ' plan has screwed us up the a@@ *



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Fri 07/10/15 07:39 AM
Illegal Alien charged with DWI was released on bail

Is that normal for the city or state? Regardless of nationality?

In New Mexico, at least a couple decades ago, it was pretty normal for citizens, politicians, white, black, hispanic, whatever, to have several, to a couple dozen, DUI's on their record and still be driving around. DUI's mean big fine money.

A law was passed, back then, that if you were pulled over and couldn't prove you had car insurance then your car was to be immediately towed.
A contributing factor to this law was illegals not having insurance, hitting people and then running, driving up car insurance rates for everyone. New Mexico issued drivers licenses to non-citizens.
Something like 1 in 4 people on average had no car insurance.
Vehicles were rarely towed when drivers were found to not have proof of insurance.
Instead, they were fined for whatever they were pulled over for and had to go prove they had insurance or have a larger fine added on.

In Arizona, illegals are found and arrested all the time for all sorts of different (many times minor) criminal infractions.
ICE generally doesn't care, doesn't come by to process them.
Routinely there's 20-30-200 sitting in jail for some reason and they run out the clock on how long local enforcement can legally hold them, ICE can't be bothered.
In response ICE is usually quoted as saying something along the lines of "we have limited manpower, time, and budget, we prefer to focus on the hard criminals; the child abusers, gang members, and murderers."

Raleigh N.C. is a sanctuary city.

Is it trying to be?
Or is it more interested in acquiring the fines while avoiding the costs of incarceration and enforcement?

I mean
He posted a $75,000 bail

More than likely he's not coming back and that money isn't going to be paid back. So cha-ching. Fills some holes in a budget without really increasing costs.

Just seems there's a meaningful difference between people wanting to be a sanctuary city for some sort of "liberal agenda," or ideological reasons of politicians, and just having a corrupt or lazy system in place that makes gaming it by illegals easy.

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Fri 07/10/15 03:14 PM
Iam, sassy, there is so much going on with this but there are some issues with your op ed/ arguments.
1. Deportees vehicles and homes aren't sent with them.
2. Regardless of legal status of the parents the children/grandchildren born in the U.S are U.S. Citizens.
3. All gang members of particular Mexican gangs, 18th street, la 'M', and ms13 don't require illegal status to join. Only parts of those gangs would be deported.
4. Press 1 wouldn't go nor would ESL unless we completly closed our borders and stopped all international flights. Imagine what we'd lose in tourism import export and tariffs on international trade.
5. Obama did not block deportation of criminals. He blocked the breaking up of families who had illegal members.

Iam, you make some very good points that I agree with. I share your point of view but I don't think, I know that immigrants in this state make lots of money under the table spend as little here as possible and send it back to their home countries. Plural. India, China, many Asian African and South American countries.

There has been construction of a wall during this administration. What about water, our coastlines? Commercial and private airports or fields long enough to land a small planes? The wall would slow them down and force in some cases for more expensive and possibly less safe ways for themto enter.

Customs at airports and shipping ports and how many miles of coastline would have to be secured as well? How many open tracts of land would have to be patrolled constantly?

Would the very real savings of getting rid of illegal aliens cover the costs of all the weaknesses in border coastal port airport and field security?

We need to change the uneducated view of illegalimmigration. If I mention Elian Gonzales people are going to think who??? OH! yeah. They did that. The shipping containers and ship holds with Asian refugees.

I have said for years that I would oversee/participate in the building of a wall then drive a bus to the border but they'd just come back. If they come here with no greencard Visa or passport they're breaking our law, not theirs. That needs to change and there needs to be an alien accommodation accountability co-op with all of these countries, good luck getting that across the floor in D.C. THEN NATO, UN and all the individual countries.

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Fri 07/10/15 03:50 PM

Iam, sassy, there is so much going on with this but there are some issues with your op ed/ arguments.
1. Deportees vehicles and homes aren't sent with them.
2. Regardless of legal status of the parents the children/grandchildren born in the U.S are U.S. Citizens.
3. All gang members of particular Mexican gangs, 18th street, la 'M', and ms13 don't require illegal status to join. Only parts of those gangs would be deported.
4. Press 1 wouldn't go nor would ESL unless we completly closed our borders and stopped all international flights. Imagine what we'd lose in tourism import export and tariffs on international trade.
5. Obama did not block deportation of criminals. He blocked the breaking up of families who had illegal members.

Iam, you make some very good points that I agree with. I share your point of view but I don't think, I know that immigrants in this state make lots of money under the table spend as little here as possible and send it back to their home countries. Plural. India, China, many Asian African and South American countries.

There has been construction of a wall during this administration. What about water, our coastlines? Commercial and private airports or fields long enough to land a small planes? The wall would slow them down and force in some cases for more expensive and possibly less safe ways for themto enter.

Customs at airports and shipping ports and how many miles of coastline would have to be secured as well? How many open tracts of land would have to be patrolled constantly?

Would the very real savings of getting rid of illegal aliens cover the costs of all the weaknesses in border coastal port airport and field security?

We need to change the uneducated view of illegalimmigration. If I mention Elian Gonzales people are going to think who??? OH! yeah. They did that. The shipping containers and ship holds with Asian refugees.

I have said for years that I would oversee/participate in the building of a wall then drive a bus to the border but they'd just come back. If they come here with no greencard Visa or passport they're breaking our law, not theirs. That needs to change and there needs to be an alien accommodation accountability co-op with all of these countries, good luck getting that across the floor in D.C. THEN NATO, UN and all the individual countries.


Ooh . you are addressing both of us. No wonder my headache just got worse. Because much of what you just posted, I did not say & some isn't in the article I posted.

For your
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Don't give them anything (,houseing etc)
#2
Of course those born here would have DUEL citizenship, but their parents who BROKE the LAW willing do not. They made that choice.
#3
If only some gang members get deported, then there are a few less.
#4
We can close the borders as far as letting in MORE immigrants, that does not mean inhibit REAL Americans. ( like closing airports)
#5
Obama DEFIED The Department of Immigration, in which he has NO real authority. And yes, it was for EVERYONE to go back home. Illegal is illegal they already broke OUR law.
He did NOT do HIS country a favor.
And he has released/ pardoned many criminals, this is documented. He is not a hero. He put his own people/ country at risk for more Democratic votes.

Maybe you want to view ILLEGAL ALIENS as Undocumented Americans.. grumble
Then I don t have much left to say.
They are NOT & NEVER will be, nor do they CHOOSE/ or desire to be American or work, pay taxes, jeep the money here & adapt to American life.
( That is the majority of immigrants, since the 1970's)

The NATURAL BORN & Naturalize... are FEED up & no longer willing to pay with their taxes, their bodies, their lives or with further diseases.
* We can not even afford to vaccine these children, & if you think they are not in our public school system already you are kidding yourself *

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Fri 07/10/15 05:33 PM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Fri 07/10/15 05:41 PM
germanchocolate1981

Iam, you make some very good points that I agree with. I share your point of view but I don't think, I know that immigrants in this state make lots of money under the table spend as little here as possible and send it back to their home countries. Plural. India, China, many Asian African and South American countries
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Exactly, living in America, working or not, paying taxes or not, does not make you American. And the money should stay here,& not go to Mexico or any where else.
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There has been construction of a wall during this administration. What about water, our coastlines? Commercial and private airports or fields long enough to land a small planes? The wall would slow them down and force in some cases for more expensive and possibly less safe ways for themto enter.
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VERY little work has been done on the wall, only a few miles completed & then the work completely STOPPED. It was many of Obama's broken/ unfulfilled promises. Believe me Americans are willing to pay for it & build it. Planes can fly over it, no big deal. We will adapt for our own security. You are looking for excuses as if deportation & a wall, will inconvenience Americans
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Customs at airports and shipping ports and how many miles of coastline would have to be secured as well? How many open tracts of land would have to be patrolled constantly?

Would the very real savings of getting rid of illegal aliens cover the costs of all the weaknesses in border coastal port airport and field security?
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It costs more in the long run financially ( housing, medical, welfare) & in some cases with our lives & the law & courts & jail.

We have 5 generations of Americans (Ferguson Missouri), on welfare.

We have generations on Native reservations.

We have places in the Kentucky mountains that need well water.

We have a community in Alaska of Natives that have 2 showers for every 100 people .And only ONE snowmobile for all transmission. And NO toilets. They use ' honey pots '

We have 1 in 4 American children hungry a day.

Homeless children.

* I could go on & on, we must take care of our own & not buy votes or change our culture or put ourselves at risk *
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We need to change the uneducated view of illegalimmigration. If I mention Elian Gonzales people are going to think who??? OH! yeah. They did that. The shipping containers and ship holds with Asian refugees.


What we need to change the view of, ....is to return to our old & original views of " America first & Charity begins at home "
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I have said for years that I would oversee/participate in the building of a wall then drive a bus to the border but they'd just come back. If they come here with no greencard Visa or passport they're breaking our law, not theirs. That needs to change and there needs to be an alien accommodation accountability co-op with all of these countries, good luck getting that across the floor in D.C. THEN NATO, UN and all the individual countries.
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And NO middle-class taxpaying American is willing to sit around & wait for that. How many years & administrations have we heard about illegal immigration & the wall. ?
I remember... 40 years, could be more.



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Ooh . you are addressing both of us. No wonder my headache just got worse. Because much of what you just posted, I did not say & some isn't in the article I posted.

For your
#1
Don't give them anything (,houseing etc)
#2
Of course those born here would have DUEL citizenship, but their parents who BROKE the LAW willing do not. They made that choice.
#3
If only some gang members get deported, then there are a few less.
#4
We can close the borders as far as letting in MORE immigrants, that does not mean inhibit REAL Americans. ( like closing airports)
#5
Obama DEFIED The Department of Immigration, in which he has NO real authority. And yes, it was for EVERYONE to go back home. Illegal is illegal they already broke OUR law.
He did NOT do HIS country a favor.
And he has released/ pardoned many criminals, this is documented. He is not a hero. He put his own people/ country at risk for more Democratic votes.

Maybe you want to view ILLEGAL ALIENS as Undocumented Americans.. grumble
Then I don t have much left to say.
They are NOT & NEVER will be, nor do they CHOOSE/ or desire to be American or work, pay taxes, jeep the money here & adapt to American life.
( That is the majority of immigrants, since the 1970's)

The NATURAL BORN & Naturalize... are FEED up & no longer willing to pay with their taxes, their bodies, their lives or with further diseases.
* We can not even afford to vaccine these children, & if you think they are not in our public school system already you are kidding yourself *

1. Agreed, give it to American citizens.
2. They're not duel citizens, by law they are U.S. Citizens only, they'd have to get a passport go to their country and apply for duel or 'home' sole citizenship, many would be denied.
I am the 4th generation of US Army vets among other services on my father's side. American is the only citizenship myself or my brother have.
3. Any gang member that leaves the U.S. Strengthens their reach and recruiting in their native countries. I wish we could pack them in shipping containers and leave them anchored in international waters but that'd be cruel and unusual, oh well.
5 I didn't say close airports. I said international flights. Our airliners need to connect, refuel in most cases to make intercontinental flights. To stop people coming in we'd have to stop all incoming air traffic.

Billions in exports tourism.... You get it.

He didn't defy immigration. Anderson Cooper talked about the numbers during the trump interview, immigration is trending down and as low as its been since the 90'S. AZ's fmr governor disagrees, I do too.
Unless ever law enforcement agency in the U.S. Checks every door car building etc in America simultaneously nobody knows how many illegals are here. The census is laughable, it's like the marijuana stamp tax act. Know anybody with a marijuana stamp? Me neither.

Like I said before I don't think they should be given anything. No medical dental welfare unemployment, welfare wicfoodstamps housing tuition or even be allowed in our schools. They get more assistance free tuition that I'm not eligible for and I'm an Iraq war vet. I don't like them being here I
don't want them here or anywhere in the U.S. Including or prisons. We pump billions into their countries in what we import.
Two things that you will unfortunately (for us real Americans) is an unannounced door to door nationwide sweep and separate facilities for illegal immigrants. We get blasted for what happened to Japanese during WWII, and the trail of tears.

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The wall hasn't been finished not because of the lack of effort of Obama, but because over the years no one has believed the impact an open southern border has. It's not what they do today, it's how long they stay, IF they commit crimes, how many times they come back, how much untaxed income they make, how much American money ends up in their economy. I strongly believe this is why the gold standard was done away with. Our money wasn't here to represent our gold and our gold, is, where????? Obama requested access to Ft Knox and was denied. Follow that lead.
India, Pakistan, China, Russia, all are world powers as is Mexico, so why do they need to come here? They like the weather better, they can get more for less in our country than they could earn working in their own countries. That's not our problem. That's why I said ACCOUNTABILITY. Send them the bill. Since they are here and we couldn't afford to build a wall down to bedrock and 70ft tall leaning towards Mexico, build nets that extend to the sea floor and a flotilla of sonar equipped barge walls above water. Then we'd need customs to send SWAT teams on to every international incoming flight to make sure only Americans get off or trail each tourist secret service style and make sure they leave when they are done here.

Finish The Wall is easier said than done, plus the wall alone or the wall as it stands isn't keeping them out.
Feed house and educate American children I agree 155%
There's also our roads, bridges, ports, airports, railways, National Parks, our MILITARY & VETS

Immigration is broken, Obama knew it and proposed bill after bill after bill to reform it. Republicans shut it down no matter what adjustments he made to appease them. He can't do that by himself and they proposed nothing as a counter offer.
The police forces are corrupt, our (in)justice system doesn't work for anyone except the stockholders. Our schools are slowly getting better, the capture of Saddam and the end of binladen have created arguably one of the worst power vacuums the world has ever seen. I don't like everything Obama has said or done but I know that he's not solely responsible for everything that happened in the last 8 years. No President has ever completly fulfilled all of their campaign promises. 0.
We need to conjure some sort of agreement with all these countries to either keep their own people in their own jailslaugh pay for their deportees holding and transportnoway it'll never happen. If we refuse to pay them the money the U.S. Owes their countries they stop shipping our goods. Immigration isn't a U.S. problem, it's a worldwide problem that happens to cost the U.S. Money.