Topic: The Me Too wagon
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Mon 01/15/18 02:08 PM
After being accused of sexual misconduct by an unnamed photographer he went on a date with last year, Aziz Ansari says he's taking the woman's words to heart. The 23-year-old woman told Babe she met the Master of None comedian at a party after the Emmy Awards last September, where the two flirted and took photos of each other, and he asked for her phone number. She says they exchanged texts when she returned home to Brooklyn and went on a date a little more than a week later.

After a quick dinner, she says, they returned to his apartment, where he undressed her, pressured her into oral sex and suggested he get a condom. .
“I know I was physically giving off cues that I wasn’t interested. I don’t think that was noticed at all, or if it was, it was ignored,” she told Babe.

“I said 'I don’t want to feel forced because then I’ll hate you, and I’d rather not hate you,' ” she says she told Ansari.
The woman shared screen shots with Babe of a text conversation she says took place the day after the incident, in which she wrote, "I just want to take this moment to make you aware of this behavior and how uneasy it made me.”

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/9a4c1089-bbd2-3a92-bae2-c649fdeb8ef3/ss_aziz-ansari-accused-of-sexual.html

seriously? seriously? so now everyone that later regrets consensual sex can blame the partner for not picking up their 'physical cues'? wow.

Aziz Ansari is a little dude, not like he is threatening or had any control of her career. It just seems like these stories are really clouding all the real victims of actual sexual harassment and (god forbid) rape.


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Mon 01/15/18 06:40 PM
It just seems like these stories are really clouding all the real victims of actual sexual harassment and (god forbid) rape.

Only in the court of public opinion.
Fortunately, in the real courts, stories like this don't really cloud "all the real victims," mostly because they don't make it to the courts.

It's just airing dirty laundry for public consumption.

And for all anyone knows Mr. Ansari and this woman colluded to come up with this in order to get his name in the paper and be associated with the "movement." Free publicity.

You say yourself "seriously? seriously?" That indicates a heightened emotional reaction. And now Aziz Ansari is on your mind, not in a negative way.

so now everyone that later regrets consensual sex can blame the partner for not picking up their 'physical cues'?

No.
It's not "everyone" that later regrets, it's women.
Only women can later regret consensual sex and can blame men for not picking up their "physical cues."
"No means no! You can say no at any time and any point and they have to stop." Doesn't matter if a woman continues, it's the guys responsibility to respect her "no." And "no" can be expressed by something other than just a verbal "no."

People can be violent and then blame the person they assault for being incited by "hate speech."
People can blame others for wearing "triggering" clothes with things like "Trump MAGA" or the American flag and be sent home from school to change.
Of course women can wear whatever they want and if a guy reacts inappropriately it's entirely his fault, clothes don't incite, but that's another issue I guess.

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Sun 01/21/18 03:20 AM
What he said :arrow_up:

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Mon 01/22/18 04:31 AM
A certain amount of this seems to "come with the territory" of any movement or effort for change, especially those that are driven by passion rather than dry logic.

I have been pleased to see that many people who HAVE been publicly reacting to this particular incident, have been putting more thought into it like this, and thereby trying to put it where it really seems to belong.

With this latest "movement," which we can call the "me too" or the "time's up" movement, we have the same dangers that have shown up with every passion-driven movement we've seen, including the Tea Party movement, and others. What starts as a centered and important effort to solve a real and narrowly defined problem, can often gain popular support more because it appeals to the latent anger in many people's hearts. That in turn can lead to all sorts of extra hatreds and resentments being pasted onto the original movement, until what started out as a crusade against real evil, is turned into a witch hunt that destroys the original movement itself.

Again, it's important to see clearly at all times, and neither blindly condemn OR absolve anyone who is accused.

Catherine Deneuve made a statement of her own recently, signing a sort of petition that said that this must not be turned into a puritanical witch hunt. And I quite agree. This started out, and was triggered by the outrageous criminal behavior of one horrifying man, and has suffered from lots of people who had festering resentments and annoyances that were only peripherally related to it, jumping in to try to hang their own lesser transgressors next to Weinstein. If that is allowed to happen, this will go from being a positive reformative effort, to being just another tool of certain politicians, to gain power over others that they should never be allowed to have.