First things first My Disclaimer: None of the following has anything to do with anyone from this site that I have spoken with lately.

Now that thats out of the way lets get to it.

What the hell is going on? Has a little over 2 years in self forced social seclusion Made me completely mentaly devoid? I hear women say they want a hard working man, and when they find out how much I work, all of a sudden I'm a workaholic. How the hell does that link up?

Then I am told that honesty is always what they want to hear, no sugar coating. Straight blunt honesty. So I am, and now I'm an as*shole. WTF???

Or my favorite one...she gets VERY sexually explicit, and when I play back...I'm told that I'm a perverted pig and I didn't say anything nearly as explicet as she did. Da*nit!!! What the Hell?!?!

Is it something I'm doing? Am I not supposed to do as they ask and talk to them the way they say they wanted to be spoken to?
Am I really THAT much of an asshole? Or am I just finding the really crazy ones?

So to sum things up, can someone, woman perfered please explain this to me because I am very confused.

Thank you

It honestly doesn't sound like it's you, but I am not hearing both sides. There is a fine line between being honest and being mean; ie, that outfit doesn't really flatter you, vs. holy crap you look like a purple cow in that.


Sexually explicit stuff, people have different ideas of what the boundaries are; she says, oh, you are making my knees weak; you say, I am going to shove this probe into you...maybe miscommunicating.

Working - yes women like ambitious men and men who are financially secure; they don't want to hear, I will only have time for you once every six months.

ON the other hand, the damsel may be a total whack job.

I have seen your postings on here and you seem rational, respectful and sane; although a tad self-deprecating sometimes.

THANKS FOR THE INPUT. ILL KEEP THAT IN MIND

you honey

It honestly doesn't sound like it's you, but I am not hearing both sides. There is a fine line between being honest and being mean; ie, that outfit doesn't really flatter you, vs. holy crap you look like a purple cow in that.


Sexually explicit stuff, people have different ideas of what the boundaries are; she says, oh, you are making my knees weak; you say, I am going to shove this probe into you...maybe miscommunicating.

Working - yes women like ambitious men and men who are financially secure; they don't want to hear, I will only have time for you once every six months.

ON the other hand, the damsel may be a total whack job.

I have seen your postings on here and you seem rational, respectful and sane; although a tad self-deprecating sometimes.

WOW, someone really does pay attention to my random postings in other threads.

I agree with you and can see where you are coming from on the matter of perspective. I however can't recite the entire conversations word for word or I would.

As for being self-deprecating from time to time. If I really thought anyone cared I'd explain why I feel that its no less than I deserve.

Drifter,

The truth is, most people, including me, say they want the truth, but truly can't handle the truth. I, personally am blatantly honest and only expect it in return. Yes there are moments when white lies, ommissions, and tact is entailed, but overall, I just want the honest truth.

As for women who are sexually explicit, its a double edged sword. We like to think we are of the times, so we can play the men games, but most women find it offensive when they play back. I know for myself, who in all honesty is a perpetual resident of the gutter, is conversing with a guy, I like it to be balanced, flirtatious, and friendly. However, although I can be a walking pervert, I do find it irksome when all a guy can discuss is sex, sex, and did I mention sex. For myself, I need to be mentally stimulated before the sexual talk and play is even going to commence. My only advice to you regarding these women, is take the careful approach. Or ask them how explicit you can get...that way when they act the fool, you can remind them that you asked what the boundaries were.

Last, your issue about working. As long as you find time for yourself, your social life, and your family, it really doesn't matter that you work 40 hours a week or 60 hours a week. While I will admit, the ideal man will only work that 40 hours, in the real world, it does not pan out that way.

In truth, it just sounds like you find a bunch of immature, juvenile, spoiled little brats who want to play grown up. They aren't worth your time...move along...and let someone else deal with their bull****.

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facetiousmommy

Irony of all ironies, aint it man? I'm a hardworkin 30 something kid who makes a great living, no kids, yada yada yada as well... And when women figure out that I have to work/travel to pay for the neat stuff we do, they get antsy.

Funny thing is, they rarely ever have anything to offer in return. Not that I'm saying that women should HAVE to, but I just find it disgusting that the average woman demands a man have the wherewithal in able to do things (i.e. financially stable and responsible) but the majority of the ones I've been meeting are either "between jobs" or haven't figured out what they wanna be at 35.

Keep your head up. You're doing the right thing and damn any woman who can't sit still long enough to figure out that you're a good man.