Topic: newyork sun article on torture
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Tue 03/04/08 12:31 PM
Edited by armydoc4u on Tue 03/04/08 12:32 PM


Recently, the Iraqi military and the coalition forces have discovered torture houses run by Al Qaeda in Iraq.

To obtain an accurate picture of the level of atrocities committed by this band of thugs, it is first necessary to review what the American military rightly calls the "atrocity sites." I saw pictures of the bodies of victims found in these houses showing burned feet, open wounds, cut limbs, dislocated shoulders and joints which were the grisly results of hanging and beating and other horrific methods of torture.

I have researched and spoken with several American military officers concerning these torture houses. Here is a brief description of these houses which were discovered:

• Baquoba, June 2007: Discovery of the first torture house. Victims had drill holes in their bodies and deep gouges caused by blow torches; an Al Qaeda flag was in the torture house; many of the torture wounds were in the bottom of the feet of the victims. Torture equipment included: Drills, blow torches, chains hanging from the walls and ceiling, blood trails, saws, drills, knives, weapons, masks, and handcuffs. An execution site outside of building where Iraqi victims were lined up and shot.

Khan Bani Saad, August 2007: Discovery of rooms filled with torture tools and murdered Iraqi victims.

Arab Jibour, near Dora, south of Baghdad, August 2007: Blood splattered on the walls. Piles of corpses found outside the house.

• Tarmiyya, September 2007: Nine prisoners were freed; many victims had been chained in place.

• Muqdadiyah, December 2007: Beds wired for electrical shock with electricity still on. Masks, whips, bloody knives, and chains hanging from ceiling on the site. Twenty-six bodies found buried on site: most had hands tied and were shot in the head. Locals said Al Qaeda was intimidating the area with threats of torture and execution.

I am an Iraqi who has suffered under Saddam's harsh dictatorship and who actively fought Saddam for many years before the liberation in 2003. In addition, I participated in the reconstruction efforts in the new Iraq after the liberation, and therefore have a unique perspective to offer in understanding the progression of events in modern day Iraq. I had my first taste of Saddam's brutality when I was imprisoned by Saddam's Military Security in 1987 along with my brother. In spite of my relatively short stay in a horrifying cell, I witnessed torture and humiliation first hand in what seemed to be an underworld in which pain and degradation have no end.

For Iraqis, these torture chambers and "atrocity sites" are a confirmation of the links between the terror of the Baath regime and that of Al Qaeda. In 1991, during the uprising in Iraqi Kurdistan, Iraqis and the outside world were able to see torture cells from the inside and bear witness to the gruesome acts performed within them for the first time.

After the liberation of Iraq in 2003, the world was finally able to obtain an unprecedented glimpse into the Baath torture chambers and the vast security apparatus which served to maintain order and cement Saddam's power over Iraq.

http://www.nysun.com/article/72245?page_no=1




if you want to read the entire four pages of really interesting torture methods and whatever, to practice up on your skills, since we all know the US tortures people(we just use water and a sheet-and dont kill'em) then check out the site.

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Tue 03/04/08 12:42 PM
if you want to read the entire four pages of really interesting torture methods and whatever, to practice up on your skills, since we all know the US tortures people(we just use water and a sheet-and dont kill'em) then check out the site.


it should be required reading before commenting...those are some nasty people and nothing the US did could make the monsters those "people" are....and no words in any language could be used to negotiate with these animals...

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Tue 03/04/08 12:57 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Tue 03/04/08 12:57 PM



Recently, the Iraqi military and the coalition forces have discovered torture houses run by Al Qaeda in Iraq.

To obtain an accurate picture of the level of atrocities committed by this band of thugs, it is first necessary to review what the American military rightly calls the "atrocity sites." I saw pictures of the bodies of victims found in these houses showing burned feet, open wounds, cut limbs, dislocated shoulders and joints which were the grisly results of hanging and beating and other horrific methods of torture.

I have researched and spoken with several American military officers concerning these torture houses. Here is a brief description of these houses which were discovered:

• Baquoba, June 2007: Discovery of the first torture house. Victims had drill holes in their bodies and deep gouges caused by blow torches; an Al Qaeda flag was in the torture house; many of the torture wounds were in the bottom of the feet of the victims. Torture equipment included: Drills, blow torches, chains hanging from the walls and ceiling, blood trails, saws, drills, knives, weapons, masks, and handcuffs. An execution site outside of building where Iraqi victims were lined up and shot.

Khan Bani Saad, August 2007: Discovery of rooms filled with torture tools and murdered Iraqi victims.

Arab Jibour, near Dora, south of Baghdad, August 2007: Blood splattered on the walls. Piles of corpses found outside the house.

• Tarmiyya, September 2007: Nine prisoners were freed; many victims had been chained in place.

• Muqdadiyah, December 2007: Beds wired for electrical shock with electricity still on. Masks, whips, bloody knives, and chains hanging from ceiling on the site. Twenty-six bodies found buried on site: most had hands tied and were shot in the head. Locals said Al Qaeda was intimidating the area with threats of torture and execution.

I am an Iraqi who has suffered under Saddam's harsh dictatorship and who actively fought Saddam for many years before the liberation in 2003. In addition, I participated in the reconstruction efforts in the new Iraq after the liberation, and therefore have a unique perspective to offer in understanding the progression of events in modern day Iraq. I had my first taste of Saddam's brutality when I was imprisoned by Saddam's Military Security in 1987 along with my brother. In spite of my relatively short stay in a horrifying cell, I witnessed torture and humiliation first hand in what seemed to be an underworld in which pain and degradation have no end.

For Iraqis, these torture chambers and "atrocity sites" are a confirmation of the links between the terror of the Baath regime and that of Al Qaeda. In 1991, during the uprising in Iraqi Kurdistan, Iraqis and the outside world were able to see torture cells from the inside and bear witness to the gruesome acts performed within them for the first time.

After the liberation of Iraq in 2003, the world was finally able to obtain an unprecedented glimpse into the Baath torture chambers and the vast security apparatus which served to maintain order and cement Saddam's power over Iraq.

http://www.nysun.com/article/72245?page_no=1




if you want to read the entire four pages of really interesting torture methods and whatever, to practice up on your skills, since we all know the US tortures people(we just use water and a sheet-and dont kill'em) then check out the site.


All in favor of the "nice" torture the US uses should have the joys of experiencing it first so they can then have an objective view of torture and it's nature.noway noway

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Tue 03/04/08 01:00 PM
Edited by armydoc4u on Tue 03/04/08 01:01 PM
funny you should say that.

water boarding is experienced by soldiers during their sere training. as well as riot control gas. in fact US soldiers are continually put through training that you couldnt even think imaginable with regards to torture and captivity. so yeah, water boarding, been there done that. thanks for the post tho.

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Tue 03/04/08 01:10 PM
hey Doc...it's sad that after you posted the thread this morning about the egg shells that didn't encourage some other people to raise the maturity level of their posts...noway

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Tue 03/04/08 01:14 PM
Its cool.....

I just take it as she didnt know that we did water boarding on ourselves, now she does. of course I dont know what info you can find on the web about S.E.R.E. school maybe they'll mention it in there? it is away to experience what light torture and drowning are going to be like. gives you a real world perspective and hopefully a little added inscentive not to be captured by those nice people using drills and dull knives.grumble

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Tue 03/04/08 01:19 PM
There has been various documentaries on TV showing the training of man and women in the military. I know they don't show all but they did show the exposure to gas and the marines training till and for some past the point of fatigue.

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Tue 03/04/08 01:22 PM
keeps you on your toes.

I know I wouldnt want to be one of their propaganda tools, put up on a stage bound by ropes and slowly have my head sawed off for the TV camera's. No thanks, think I'll do the training, fatigued or not. it sucks at the time no doubt about it, but the end result(coming home) is well worth the pain.laugh laugh laugh

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Tue 03/04/08 06:37 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Tue 03/04/08 06:37 PM

Its cool.....

I just take it as she didnt know that we did water boarding on ourselves, now she does. of course I dont know what info you can find on the web about S.E.R.E. school maybe they'll mention it in there? it is away to experience what light torture and drowning are going to be like. gives you a real world perspective and hopefully a little added inscentive not to be captured by those nice people using drills and dull knives.grumble


I know for certain S.E.R.E. schools you also have to sign a release allowing your posing interrogators to even break up to one major bone plus two minor bones from beatings, etc... Something a bit more brutal then we are allowed to do to our captives me thinks...