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Alfred Adler
Austrian psychiatrist Alfred Adler (1870-1937), who parted ways with Freud, emphasised the role of goals and motivation in his Individual Psychology. One of Adler's most famous ideas is that we try to compensate for inferiorities that we perceive in ourselves. A lack of power often lies at the root of feelings of inferiority. One way that religion enters into this picture is through our beliefs in God, which are characteristic of our tendency to strive for perfection and superiority. For example, in many religions God is considered to be perfect and omnipotent, and commands people likewise to be perfect. If we, too, achieve perfection, we become one with God. By identifying with God in this way, we compensate for our imperfections and feelings of inferiority. Our ideas about God are important indicators of how we view the world. According to Adler, these ideas have changed over time, as our vision of the world - and our place in it - has changed. Consider this example that Adler offers: the traditional belief that people were placed deliberately on earth as God's ultimate creation is being replaced with the idea that people have evolved by natural selection. This coincides with a view of God not as a real being, but as an abstract representation of nature's forces. In this way our view of God has changed from one that was concrete and specific to one that is more general. From Adler's vantage point, this is a relatively ineffective perception of God because it is so general that it fails to convey a strong sense of direction and purpose. |
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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 You need to research the theories/philosophy of Carl Jung. I think you would be very interested in it.
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Yes, Carl Jung is interesting.
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i prefer the chinese scholar mi junk.
it is my personal opinion that everybody here should take a good long look at mi junk...... |
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Yes, Carl Jung is interesting. It seems to be along the lines of what Fitness is talking about
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i prefer the chinese scholar mi junk. it is my personal opinion that everybody here should take a good long look at mi junk......  I'll do that You should check out Carl Jung
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Thu 03/06/08 08:01 PM
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Fitness, You need to research the theories Carl Jung had about archetypes.Its not hard to find. Theres a lot of stuff online
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Erik H. Erikson
Erik Erikson (1902-94) is best known for his theory of psychological development, which has its roots in the psychoanalytic importance of identity in personality. His biographies of Gandhi and Martin Luther reveal Erikson's positive view of religion. He considered religions to be important influences in successful personality development because they are the primary way that cultures promote the virtues associated with each stage of life. Religious rituals facilitate this development. Erikson's theory has not benefited from systematic empirical study, but it remains an influential and well-regarded theory in the psychological study of religion. |
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comparative religion is just that.
Balancing a pound of apples with a pound of oranges and declaring that observation constitutes moral equivalence. Form a carnal and judgemental point of view perfection is an act of performance within a framework of specific principles applied to behavior. From the doctrinal observation of Christian thought this appears to be the case for meritorious practice of the way of life as a discipline of a self willed intent. Nothing can be further from the truth. The perfection of man with respect to Christ and the teaching of His message requires the visitation upon the individual soul to accomplish in intent and virtue. In other words, the individual's spirit must first be transmuted with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the inspiration (inspiration establishing the conformanmce to the image of Christ. Be perfect as Christ is perfect requires Christ. He was murdered, remember the story? This is how he set out to accomplish this for us, through the Holy Spirit. That's the gospel message, right there. The perfection is found in the growth of wisdom moral and ethical stature and benevolence learned by experiencing the leadings of the Holy Spirit. I say leadings because we all learn at different rates of change as we can comprehend, and qualified to do so in rest, peace and love through faith and by the geace of God planted within. This is not emperically observed intellectually. Making judgements to the veracity of the Christian life is accomplished by accepting the offer and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit. Anything else is still quite mysterious and suspect as to its validity. Suspect because it is reduced to an intellectual judgement by the casual observer that speaks from the basis of being a non-particpant. Such as have been subsequently deluded by such obintellectual observations have forwarded themselves to profess Christ as a philosophical apprehension and in their misguided attempt to earn perfection have led many well meaning individuals astray by their credentialed counterfeit teaching. This is called pseudo-Christianity. Some refer to this as anti-christ(ian). This has spawned many couterfeit dissimulations propsing an easier and more universal path to enlightenment and perfection in civility. The world has adopted these concepts and evolved them into secular conventional wisdom. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Yet it persists as the definitive basis for enlightened self will. The subsequent machinations reflect the spurious notions authored in counterfeit observation, further divorcing the incongruence that purposes to justify the Christian way of life as nothing more than reason and logic open to change and further refinement. It led Sarte to inexplicably halt in his explanation of the impossibilities faced when rendering faith to belief as though faith were an act of the will and not confidence in a specific spiritual guidance upon the soul. What comes from that today is secular humanity entrenched in excusung the myth that spiritual laws as depicted in the Holy Bible were them selves machinations for mind control. Impossible to overcome intellectually enmass upon civil society, the predication of its veracity became suspect and antiquated as unevolved thought. Requirements for inspirational guidance became borderless considerations as legalism and governance issues on a humanistic level. The blind leading the blind. it is what it is.  
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By identifying with God in this way, we compensate for our imperfections and feelings of inferiority. That's interesting. I have always been a perfectionist in desire, but seldom in reality. However, I have never felt ‘inferior’ due to being imperfect. I personally believe that my reason is quite simple, I have never experience anything else that was absolutely perfect, and therefore I never observed anything to feel inferior relative to. Moreover, having been a perfectionist, and therefore being aware of the state of perfection (or imperfection) of things throughout my life, I’ve come to realize that relative perfection is achievable in this world, and that pure absolute perfection it not even possible within the realm of pure imagination. Even God cannot be perfect during manifestation. The only time God can be perfect is during pure the state of bliss between manifestations. But when in that state there is no form to judge perfection against. So the very idea of ‘perfection’ is meaningless in that context. On a side note, it once became apparent to me that certain types of perfection are possible. As an example, one summer’s eve I was weeding a small bed of tomato plants. The weeding process almost became a meditative state. I was doing it just for the pure bliss of it. Eventually I came to the realization that there were no more weeds to pull. Not even the tiniest seedling of a weed was left. I had weeded the tomato bed ‘perfectly’. It then dawned on me that perfection is possible. If you set a goal and reach completely, you have achieved that goal as perfectly as it can be achieved. A person could nit-pick, and make all sort of excuses of why they might feel that the weeding ‘process’ was not perfect. But the process is not what was in question. The goal was perfectly achieved. A person could also nit-pick and claim that the tomato bed is still not perfect, but that would be missing the point. That’s would be seeking absolute perfection which is not even possible. In other words, whether or not something is deemed to be ‘perfect’ clearly depends on what it is that a person is measuring. If you make a goal to jog around the block non-stop and you managed to achieve that goal then you have achieved perfection within the confines of what you are attempting to measure. If you argue that the ‘jog’ itself was imperfect because every step of your stride was not perfect, then you have lost sight of reality. That would be an idealized ‘absolute perfection’ which is impossible to do while manifest in the physical form. The universe itself is not perfect. The very process of manifestation requires imperfection. In a sense imperfection is what gives rise to manifestation. Manifestation is not possible without imperfection. It’s like the surface of an ocean. The waves represent manifestation. Only a perfectly smooth glass-like surface would be considered perfection. It’s just not possible to have both manifestation (waves) and perfection (perfect smoothness) simultaneously. The universe is necessarily imperfect during manifestation. Why anyone should feel guilty or inferior about that is beyond me. All we can do is measure the relative perfection of the waves we make. |
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i prefer the chinese scholar mi junk. it is my personal opinion that everybody here should take a good long look at mi junk...... exactly right. 
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comparative religion is just that. Balancing a pound of apples with a pound of oranges and declaring that observation constitutes moral equivalence. Form a carnal and judgemental point of view perfection is an act of performance within a framework of specific principles applied to behavior. From the doctrinal observation of Christian thought this appears to be the case for meritorious practice of the way of life as a discipline of a self willed intent. Nothing can be further from the truth. The perfection of man with respect to Christ and the teaching of His message requires the visitation upon the individual soul to accomplish in intent and virtue. In other words, the individual's spirit must first be transmuted with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the inspiration (inspiration establishing the conformanmce to the image of Christ. Be perfect as Christ is perfect requires Christ. He was murdered, remember the story? This is how he set out to accomplish this for us, through the Holy Spirit. That's the gospel message, right there. The perfection is found in the growth of wisdom moral and ethical stature and benevolence learned by experiencing the leadings of the Holy Spirit. I say leadings because we all learn at different rates of change as we can comprehend, and qualified to do so in rest, peace and love through faith and by the geace of God planted within. This is not emperically observed intellectually. Making judgements to the veracity of the Christian life is accomplished by accepting the offer and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit. Anything else is still quite mysterious and suspect as to its validity. Suspect because it is reduced to an intellectual judgement by the casual observer that speaks from the basis of being a non-particpant. Such as have been subsequently deluded by such obintellectual observations have forwarded themselves to profess Christ as a philosophical apprehension and in their misguided attempt to earn perfection have led many well meaning individuals astray by their credentialed counterfeit teaching. This is called pseudo-Christianity. Some refer to this as anti-christ(ian). This has spawned many couterfeit dissimulations propsing an easier and more universal path to enlightenment and perfection in civility. The world has adopted these concepts and evolved them into secular conventional wisdom. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Yet it persists as the definitive basis for enlightened self will. The subsequent machinations reflect the spurious notions authored in counterfeit observation, further divorcing the incongruence that purposes to justify the Christian way of life as nothing more than reason and logic open to change and further refinement. It led Sarte to inexplicably halt in his explanation of the impossibilities faced when rendering faith to belief as though faith were an act of the will and not confidence in a specific spiritual guidance upon the soul. What comes from that today is secular humanity entrenched in excusung the myth that spiritual laws as depicted in the Holy Bible were them selves machinations for mind control. Impossible to overcome intellectually enmass upon civil society, the predication of its veracity became suspect and antiquated as unevolved thought. Requirements for inspirational guidance became borderless considerations as legalism and governance issues on a humanistic level. The blind leading the blind. it is what it is.  I thought this discussion was about "GOD" not Christ
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 You are absolutley wrong and you are a bigot Wouldee You obviously know nothing You should kep your moronic insults to yourself
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You dont have no education Wouldee. Thats why you spouted your garbage insults about comparitive religion. Only somebody with a little mind thinks like that.
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comparative religion is just that. Balancing a pound of apples with a pound of oranges and declaring that observation constitutes moral equivalence. Form a carnal and judgemental point of view perfection is an act of performance within a framework of specific principles applied to behavior. From the doctrinal observation of Christian thought this appears to be the case for meritorious practice of the way of life as a discipline of a self willed intent. Nothing can be further from the truth. The perfection of man with respect to Christ and the teaching of His message requires the visitation upon the individual soul to accomplish in intent and virtue. In other words, the individual's spirit must first be transmuted with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the inspiration (inspiration establishing the conformanmce to the image of Christ. Be perfect as Christ is perfect requires Christ. He was murdered, remember the story? This is how he set out to accomplish this for us, through the Holy Spirit. That's the gospel message, right there. The perfection is found in the growth of wisdom moral and ethical stature and benevolence learned by experiencing the leadings of the Holy Spirit. I say leadings because we all learn at different rates of change as we can comprehend, and qualified to do so in rest, peace and love through faith and by the geace of God planted within. This is not emperically observed intellectually. Making judgements to the veracity of the Christian life is accomplished by accepting the offer and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit. Anything else is still quite mysterious and suspect as to its validity. Suspect because it is reduced to an intellectual judgement by the casual observer that speaks from the basis of being a non-particpant. Such as have been subsequently deluded by such obintellectual observations have forwarded themselves to profess Christ as a philosophical apprehension and in their misguided attempt to earn perfection have led many well meaning individuals astray by their credentialed counterfeit teaching. This is called pseudo-Christianity. Some refer to this as anti-christ(ian). This has spawned many couterfeit dissimulations propsing an easier and more universal path to enlightenment and perfection in civility. The world has adopted these concepts and evolved them into secular conventional wisdom. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Yet it persists as the definitive basis for enlightened self will. The subsequent machinations reflect the spurious notions authored in counterfeit observation, further divorcing the incongruence that purposes to justify the Christian way of life as nothing more than reason and logic open to change and further refinement. It led Sarte to inexplicably halt in his explanation of the impossibilities faced when rendering faith to belief as though faith were an act of the will and not confidence in a specific spiritual guidance upon the soul. What comes from that today is secular humanity entrenched in excusung the myth that spiritual laws as depicted in the Holy Bible were them selves machinations for mind control. Impossible to overcome intellectually enmass upon civil society, the predication of its veracity became suspect and antiquated as unevolved thought. Requirements for inspirational guidance became borderless considerations as legalism and governance issues on a humanistic level. The blind leading the blind. it is what it is. I thought this discussion was about "GOD" not Christ that would be Christ in the time period of existential tought in Europe, but you knew that...huh? |
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i prefer the chinese scholar mi junk. it is my personal opinion that everybody here should take a good long look at mi junk......  Take a good long look at "our junk".
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You need to research the theories/philosophy of Carl Jung. I think you would be very interested in it. I think Carl Jung had some very interesting insights into the human mind. The human mind is not always fixated on sex, as Freud would have us believe, it's much more complex, though there is certainly a sexual element. 
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Edited by
wouldee
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Thu 03/06/08 09:58 PM
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You dont have no education Wouldee. Thats why you spouted your garbage insults about comparitive religion. Only somebody with a little mind thinks like that. mirrors..... they reflect squarely that which is presented Perhaps I am of greater interest than the topic. Knowing who you're making assumtions about always help. Enntering a discussion about psychology and philosophy with nothing more than ridicule is precisely the target market of such edeavors. Clearly you have no interest in understanding religion and its foundational relevance to the topic by your comments that neither know that Christ is God and at the least a God and a religion that suffers opinions of the unlearned and disinterested. Knowing anything about the topic would be appropriate. Since you have emotionally discharged stray bullets into thin air and want nothing more than a loud noise to come of it, pick a thread that is befitting of your lack of style and grace and more appropriate to your estimations. Jokes and funny sories is around here for clowns. Sex and dating accomodates shallower waters since these prove too deep for your taste. At least there you can brand yourself and reflect your esteemed tastes on those that might better attract your attentions with much more to tease and please you with. Here all you will find is your insults and baseless distate for intelligence and knowledge of things you haven't a clue about giving you away. Better things for you to do are awaiting your skills as a mirage. Have fun where you know what you are talking about. Freudian? |
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Everytime somebody trys to discuss anything about religion or philosophy somebody has to barge in talkin about Jesus even if Jesus has nothing to do with the subject. There are other religions equally as valid. You do know there are other religions who worship other gods right Wouldee??
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Everytime somebody trys to discuss anything about religion or philosophy somebody has to barge in talkin about Jesus even if Jesus has nothing to do with the subject. There are other religions equally as valid. You do know there are other religions who worship other gods right Wouldee?? really, Mirror? there are many others. They all embrace one peculiarity. The abstencion of Christ being the Living Word of God. Being with the Creator at creation. So, validity is relative in your mind. It excuses the possibility that the others are false in their representation of the content and character of the Creator. It also affirms that Christ is not democratically relevant in your mind, nor is he seen in the same light as the others. Most notably Judaism and Islam hold that he is not God and they would represent the majority opinion were this a democratic ballot of preferences. So far, democratic balloting is on your side, judging from my last two paragraphs, mirror. But what's at issue here is not whether I speak of that which I know, but that I don't affirm gods that I don't know. I assume that you are implying that you know many gods, mirror. I assure you that you do not know my God. It is evident by your contempt of Jesus. So, let's be certain that we understand the mirror. Christ Jesus is not appropriate nor germaine to religion and philosophical discussions but everything under the sun that is not about Jesus Christ is welcome and tolerable in the rear view of the mirror. You make no sense. By your own admission, there does after all seem to be some relevance to religion exhibited in this thread, yet Christ's relevance on Western thought is of no consequence even though the battle of wits in the field of psychology is all about the misapprehensions of Christian thought as though the sequestering of free discourse is somehow disallowed in the way of life of the willing that neither hinder nor disturb such discourses and explorations that credit their efforts with disproving the very misapprehensions that were posited for such premise of thought exclusive of the allure of Christian thought. The hearts and minds finding affinity with Christ's teachings outnumber and exceed those that refute it as a valid reference point for premising the conflict that would erase its efficacy from te face of the earth. Yet, the psychologists and their learned academia seek to continually affirm Christian thought and its fruits as valid through accreditation and acceptance within the fray as beneficial and therapeutic when applied in part to therapy. ergo, licensed christian psychology. sit down and relax. You will learn more. |
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