Topic: News on Iraq
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Fri 03/21/08 01:25 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Fri 03/21/08 01:30 PM
Wall Street Journal
March 5, 2008
Pg. 13

Sentiment On Iraq Is Changing

By John D. McKinnon

WASHINGTON -- The perception that the U.S. troop surge in Iraq has succeeded is changing some public views of the war, potentially blunting Democrats' political edge on the issue.

Americans continue to judge the nearly five-year-old U.S. invasion of Iraq as a mistake, by margins that have barely budged. But in a notable shift, public perceptions of the current U.S. military effort there "have become significantly more positive over the past several months," says a recent report from the nonpartisan Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. It shows that almost half of Americans think the war effort is going well, and that the U.S. should keep its troops there, at least for the time being. Other polls echo the trend to varying degrees.

The results suggest that -- barring another reversal in conditions -- Democrats' ability to use the war as a political weapon could be somewhat curtailed, particularly when the general-election campaign begins.

In part because of the shift in sentiment on the war, Democrats have turned more frequently to other issues -- particularly the weakening economy. That has been true both on the campaign trail and on Capitol Hill.

The recent change in public opinion appears pronounced among independent voters, and independents who see progress in Iraq are much more likely to support Republican John McCain, at least so far.

In the short run, the change also could be helping Hillary Clinton gain a measure of traction against Barack Obama, a persistent war critic who has scored by pointing to her vote in favor of authorizing the war.

The lessening of concerns over the war "is one thing that has enabled her to stave off the Obama onslaught" as long as she has, says Ruy Teixeira, a public-opinion expert at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank.

Bill Burton, a spokesman for Sen. Obama, said he "will not hesitate to do what is required to keep the American people safe as president, regardless of what the polls say."

In the most in-depth picture of the trend, the Pew report says that about half the public (48%) now says the Iraq war effort is going either very well or fairly well. That compares to a more than 2-1 majority who said it was going badly a year ago. Nearly half (47%) say the U.S. should keep its troops in Iraq until the situation there has stabilized -- roughly the same as those (49%) who favor bringing troops home as soon as possible. A year ago, 53% favored rapid withdrawal versus 42% who favored keeping the troops in Iraq.

Pollsters first noticed an uptick in public perceptions of the war in the fall. But the change in February "struck me as, 'Wow,'" said Andrew Kohut, the Pew Research Center director. The U.S. troop surge during 2007 sent 30,000 additional combat troops to Iraq to help quell growing violence. The last of the surge troops are scheduled to be withdrawn this summer.

To be sure, some other polls show less-dramatic change. And depending on how the question is asked, support for some form of troop withdrawal remains high.

Mr. Teixeira says that, on the whole, "people have the impression that things must have improved, but they haven't changed their verdict on the war or what to do about it."

Several polls reflect improvement in public perceptions. In a recent Gallup poll, 43% of respondents say the year-old U.S. troop surge has improved the situation. In July 2007, only 22% thought the surge was bringing improvement.

Mr. Kohut says there is no certainty that positive public opinion on Iraq won't plunge again. But in the fluctuation, he sees confirmation of a basic difference between Iraq and the Vietnam War of the 1960s and 1970s. "Opinions about Iraq have gone up and down in ways that opinion about Vietnam never did," he says.

Why the difference? "By the end of the [Vietnam War], the domino theory was so abstract it was hard for people to think of the negative consequences of South Vietnam going communist," he says. "On the other hand, the terrorist threat is more pressing and immediate."

Mr. Kohut thinks Americans want to see security gains from the U.S. involvement. Troop losses seem to matter less in public opinion than a positive trend on security, he adds.

The change in public attitudes comes at a time when it's increasingly likely that tens of thousands of U.S. troops will remain in Iraq for years to come, regardless of who is elected president. Advisers to the two Democrats say the candidates would begin withdrawing "combat" troops, but would keep significant numbers of "noncombat" troops in Iraq, and would largely abandon the counterinsurgency role that the U.S. currently is playing.

But the change in public attitude implies a potential political benefit for Sen. McCain, who supports both the war and the Bush administration strategy. The Pew findings show that independents who think the war is going well favor the Arizona Republican versus Sen. Obama by a large margin of 31 points, 58% versus 27%.

Recent polls suggest that, so far, Iraq isn't proving to be as much of an albatross around Sen. McCain's neck as some anticipated, says Karlyn Bowman of the conservative American Enterprise Institute.

Some polls also show the Democratic lead on handling Iraq has shrunk. In a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, it was six percentage points in January compared with 15 points last July.

The political change is discernible in the way Democrats have begun to address the war. Instead of focusing on efforts to cut off funding for the war, for example, congressional Democrats are spending more time and effort publicizing its enormous financial costs, as well as the impact the war on terrorism has arguably had on civil liberties in the U.S.
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Ok, for starters thank you for taking the time to read. Secondly i would like to point out that i liked the point of view this article is being presented from. It kinda supports my whole theory about biased information supporting the running democrats. Once again, i am no republican. Republicans do the same shadey crap. This is why it is so hard finding unbiased information. Each party wants more power and continues to manipulate public opinion. This is the drawback of our party system.

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Fri 03/21/08 01:27 PM
yeesh thats alot of writing(i understand itlaugh grumble )....but....maybe you should dumb it down for some other people so they can understand it

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Fri 03/21/08 01:30 PM
it pretty much says that half of america doesn't think troops being in iraq, at least for now, is a bad thing.



..anyway.. i never thought the surge was a great idea, but it was always obvious that it would quiet things down. more troops = more of a deturant.

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Fri 03/21/08 01:32 PM
yeah, felt like participating in the whole cut and paste thing for once since all i've done lately is rant... I tried to sum it up a little in the end though.

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Fri 03/21/08 01:37 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Fri 03/21/08 01:39 PM

it pretty much says that half of america doesn't think troops being in iraq, at least for now, is a bad thing.



..anyway.. i never thought the surge was a great idea, but it was always obvious that it would quiet things down. more troops = more of a deturant.


that it doesdrinker .... and yeah... i think the point of the article is more about the increase in approval (even though it's still only half), and democrats are getting a little disadvantaged in political debates as a result. (This is where i speculate and point out the possibility of it creating biased media to turn it into more of an issue again.)

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Fri 03/21/08 01:41 PM
I would also like to point out where it says they have been, and are pulling out the troops used for the surge decreasing the total number of troops. This should be good news for those against the war. (At least some are coming home)

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Fri 03/21/08 02:57 PM
when I was in the army reserves and on my last ummer camp at Ft Drumm new york we were in our field excorsize and we had a company fomation called in the middle of it, this was unheard of and we all thought we were Boznia bound, my thoughts at thetime were, I didnt join the army to fight a BS war and yes clinton was in office at the time, so as we stood at attention waiting our fate my thoughts turned to the choices I had made that found me in this position and I felt foolish thinking that if I were called to defend our country it would be for a reasonable reasone, after all it was my life that could be taken and of course I was angry as I never undestood the whole boznia conflict to begin with, we all had thought this was the reasone we got called in from the field. well it turns out our unit was to be transformed from a combat artilary unit to a fuel resupply unit being that the reserves were transforming themselves into a combat support role rather than a combat role. the point of this being that I understand were the GI's are at in there thinking on Iraq and if I were there I would wish my sacrafices were appreciated by the folks at home. I wish them all a safe retrun home and I also wish those who sent them there are somehow held accountable for risking there lives for a war that certainly could have been avoided