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Sun 10/05/08 11:44 AM



I watched it last night. I thought it liked Biden smoked Palin.


Why does Palin consider the average American male a "Joe 6-pack"? The ones I know are better than that.






cause she is a maverick.:wink: laugh
:smile: They just made alcohol legal where I live ,so I guess Sarah Palin doesnt consider people like where I live to be average Americans, even though the area I live in is ultra conservative.:smile:


cooldrinker

competition for KOOL AID!

right on.

you are so lucky.

:thumbsup: waving

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Sun 10/05/08 11:41 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 10/05/08 11:42 AM

I will wear my "kick the baby"t-shirt .Can you be politically incorrect at th polls?:angel:


you betcha, bless your heart.:wink: laugh

vote democrat.


bigsmile

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Sun 10/05/08 11:39 AM


"(6) The potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily prevented through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and requires the incorporation of State and local solutions."


The House passed the buck to the states, all 57 of them . :wink: laugh

yup, that'll work.drinker

freedom to move about freely in intrastate interdiction, via the internet.

Liberals for ya, you betcha.:wink: laugh

gotta love 'em, bless their little hearts, always thinking on their toes.


rofl rofl rofl rofl
laugh Its kinda funny that neocons have been running everything for over 8years nowlaugh



where ya been, joe six pack?

the libs have been running the House for two years.

Speaker comrade peloshki ring any bells?


This her banana dance, mirror.

:banana: :banana: :banana: drinks rofl




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Sun 10/05/08 11:36 AM

I watched it last night. I thought it liked Biden smoked Palin.


Why does Palin consider the average American male a "Joe 6-pack"? The ones I know are better than that.






cause she is a maverick.:wink: laugh

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Sun 10/05/08 11:34 AM
"(6) The potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily prevented through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and requires the incorporation of State and local solutions."


The House passed the buck to the states, all 57 of them . :wink: laugh

yup, that'll work.drinker

freedom to move about freely in intrastate interdiction, via the internet.

Liberals for ya, you betcha.:wink: laugh

gotta love 'em, bless their little hearts, always thinking on their toes.


rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Sun 10/05/08 11:19 AM
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/tina_fey_as_sarah_palin_nails.html


see for yourself. LOL

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Sun 10/05/08 11:03 AM
THOUGHT CRIMES ARE A DEMOCRATS WET DREAM

your liberal House of representatives brought this one to bear.

Hope you like it.:wink: laugh


'Thought Crimes,' HR 1955 Passed With 404 Votes
Submit, Ye Citizens, Silently to State Murder
by Jeff Knaebel
by Jeff Knaebel


DIGG THIS

INTRODUCTION

The U.S. House of Representatives recently passed HR 1955, titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. It was passed with 404 votes in favor.

A close reading within an historical context – keeping especially in mind the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act of 2006 and Presidential Executive Orders, pursuant to which the government has engaged in massive surveillance of its own citizens, as well as detentions, extraordinary renditions, assassinations, and torture – leads me to the following conclusions:

This is a "Thought Crime" bill of the type so often discussed in an Orwellian context.
It specifically targets the civilian population of the United States.
It defines "Violent Radicalization" as promoting any belief system that the government considers to be extremist.
"Homegrown Terrorism" and "Violent Radicalization" are defined as thought crimes.
Since the bill does not provide a specific definition of extremist belief system, it will be whatever the government at any given time deems it to be.
A few extracts of the Bill are presented below to show you its tone or "flavor."

"(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization’ means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system… to advance political, religious, or social change."

SECTION 899B. FINDINGS.

"(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens."

"(6) The potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily prevented through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and requires the incorporation of State and local solutions."

Section 899D of the bill establishes a Center for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States. This will be an institution affiliated with the Department of Homeland Security. It will study and determine how to detain thought criminals.


THIS LEGISLATION ENDS THE POSSIBILITY OF A CULTURE OF REASON.

It is an attempt at legislative lobotomy of conscience. It aims to eviscerate ethical sensibilities of an entire culture.

Having usurped the power of war and peace, life and death, the Corporatocracy now bludgeons even the thought of speaking for conscience. This is State murder of the mind.

It is just too awesomely obscene for words. It exceeds not only the scope of my vocabulary, but my imagination as well.

The minions and hired agents of politicians are free to murder, rape and pillage on government hire using our money, but to imagine alternatives to them and the degraded, psychopathic political "leaders" who design and perpetrate these atrocities is legislated as a thought crime!

This is the legislated, politically promulgated end of man as a thinking, self-directed being. Surely this must be the outer limit of "positive law," that is, statutory laws passed by "Lawmakers."

It further entrenches the Power Elite as separate from and above their "subjects." It clearly demonstrates the paranoid delusions of the Establishment, pursuant to which it legislates a massive defense mechanism to protect itself from the populace that it subjugates.

I use these terms deliberately, because the so-called freedom of the vote has turned out to be a big con game. It is only the "freedom" to choose one set of thieves over the other. The blue suits or the red suits… all of them manufactured suits of the corporations.

Following in the train of this legislation will doubtless be internal travel documents, neighborhood snoops and spies, rewards granted for turning in politically incorrect thought criminals, mass civilian detention centers – in short, the whole totalitarian control mechanism that we associate with the SS, KGB and other code words of criminal regimes. There will be "re-programming / rehabilitation" centers to correct errant free thinkers.

Take note that the Department of Homeland Security already has more than 750,000 persons on its watch list. For a glimpse of past as prologue, read Solzhenitsyn.

Who Will Be Thought Police and Under What Standards?

Who will define radical thought, and by what standards? For example, how about the reported millions who believe that 9-11 was an inside job, citing a mass of evidence from eye witnesses, physicists, engineers, and recorded statements such as "We pulled it," essentially a confession by the building’s owner of the planned demolition of Building 7?

Will the writings of John Perkins in Confessions of An Economic Hit Man and The Secret History of The American Empire be thought crimes? Will this very essay be a thought crime?

What about Operation Northwoods, pursuant to which the Joint Chiefs of the United States planned for innocent people to be shot on American streets, for boats carrying passengers to be sunk on the high seas, for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched within the country, and for other depraved acts conceived in the minds of government-hired psychopaths? Previously top-secret documents about this were released on 18 November 1997 and can be researched at www.wikipedia.org. Evidently, members of the Establishment will be permitted to engage in thought crime.

Soon enough, we will all be killing each other, and the statement of Mohandas Gandhi will be borne out: "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

Will thinking about cleansing the national soul of our atrocities – of Iraq, Guantanamo, Abu Gharib, the advanced plans underway to nuke Iran, the crimes of Blackwater murderers, the government’s domestic coercion and violence – be "Thought Crimes?"

Will it be thought crime to conceive of a domestic Truth and Reconciliation Commission pursuant to which high government officials are brought to book for crimes against humanity?

Will it be "radicalization" to think of alternatives to a government of, by, and for the Corporatocracy, which accumulates its vast wealth through the blood money of endless war?

What about imagination-consideration of a non-coercive society of free individuals acting in voluntary cooperation, what is commonly referred to as anarchy?

Will it be radical to conceive of preventing the Cheney-Bush cabal from launching WWIII and the incineration of earth through a false flag operation against Iran?

WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF OUR GOVERNMENT

BECAUSE WE PAY FOR IT

It has taken me too many years – and too much income tax – to come to the awful realization that these "public servants" are only hired mouthpieces and puppets of the Money Powers who operate behind the scenes to orchestrate war, to coordinate the Military Industrial Complex, the Homeland Security Complex, the NGO Help-The-Poor Complex, the "Third World Corporate Development" Complex. In short, the Exploitation Complex.

The roaring inside me is about the self-disgust at living by the whims of Nice Government Men and their intellectual and financial pimps – men who, for just one example, can force starvation upon Indian farmers by their money printing press maneuvers to save their own hides from the overreach of blind greed. Men like those in Goldman Sachs who have the power to bail out their own companies and pay billions in bonuses while manipulating currencies such that basic food staples become priced out of reach of the rural Indian poor.

Let our excuse for the sorry state in which we find ourselves be not ignorance, for history is quite clear to those who would study. I quote founding father James Madison, "History records that money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible, to maintain their control over governments, by controlling money and its issuance." A more honest excuse would be our own greed and laziness. The quick buck. Buy now, pay later.

Statement of Conscientious Objection

HR 1955 as recently passed by the House of Representatives is in effect a Thought Crime Prevention Bill. This action simply stops my mind. It cannot be absorbed. This ultimate Police State freezes my imagination.

This newest version of draconian legislation on thought control is where Jeff Knaebel says enough is enough. Speaking truth to Power, I say, I am not your puppet. I declare my self-ownership. Come and get me if you wish. If you wish to own my body, you will have to imprison it. I am breaking the paper chains by which I have allowed you to enslave me.

Imagine with me for a moment (it may not yet be a thought crime). I say to **** Cheney, "I refuse to obey. Come and get me, boss. Come alone – I’ll not run, and I am unarmed and harmless. Meet me in yonder open field." Standing in front of him, I remove my shirt, challenging him to do likewise. To prove his manhood equal, he follows along until we stand facing each other naked in the open field. I ask, "Now, what is your business with me?"

You see, it is all a mind game. The government is powerless before our non-cooperation. Of course, although an abstraction, it is a heavily armed abstraction. This argues for the right to bear arms and a well-armed citizenry in the American tradition. But if the mind behind the gun is cowardly and subdued, the gun is of no use. I suggest that nonviolent civil disobedience has proven to be a more effective method of regaining control of our lives. There would be significant loss of life, but much less than with an armed struggle.

Is murder an act that involves the human conscience? Can any other hear the voice of my inner conscience? Then, how can any such other claim the power to "represent" me in choosing to kill? How can such other "represent" me in determining which of my thoughts is criminal?

To say, or even to imply, that these people "represent" me cannot be described as an obscenity. It is an absurdity. Really, I should laugh. Instead it generates a roaring inside me – the inner roar of a man who would be free.

THIS IS MY PLACE OF "LIVE FREE OR DIE."

One cannot deal with this except to speak out and be willing to put his life on the line. One must resist this legislation and this government, or else surrender his humanity and become a dead thing.

This is the place where the soles of my feet meet the path of Liberty. This is where Jeff Knaebel refuses to renew his "permission to live" identification documents pursuant to which Big Brother tracks him like an owned domestic animal. Any situation in which I am not free to leave means that my presence is by coercion or threat of coercion. If one cannot leave some "place" except by permission of the "owners" (passport), then he is a slave. To learn more about issues of expatriation and "man without a country," visit my website at www.statelessfreedom.org.

I was never the property even of my biological father, leave aside the absurdly stupid abstract concept of Nations – bounded by arbitrary lines drawn on maps – across which opposing armies of blood relations gun down the other.

My body is not the property of the U.S. Government. I will challenge the U.S. Government for ownership of my body, with my body itself. My mind will be forever free.

I did not ask for US citizenship, and I will not accept its rules even if forced upon me.

Any situation in which I am not free to leave means that my presence is by coercion or threat of coercion. If I cannot leave some "place" except by permission of the "owners" (passport), then I am a slave.

The US State does not own the land called America, and it does not own anybody who was born there or lives there.

No bureaucrat has the right to define who I am – and the murder of which other person I may be forced to finance – by his stamp upon some arbitrary piece of paper.

I belong to none, other than Almighty Creation.

I claim my freedom to respect the lives of others, as I would be respected. Freedom to do no harm, and to eschew violence. Freedom to express compassion in action. Freedom to support life. Freedom not to finance murder.

No other can hear the voice of my conscience, let alone "represent" it, or speak for it. My conscience will be muffled by no person and by no law. Nor will I ever knowingly aggress against another.

It Is Man’s Duty To Love.

It now must be of the "tough love" variety. We must see clearly and face bravely the reality of what we continue to create for ourselves. We must take up tough ethical positions.

We have proved again and again, over spans of millennia, that any kind of violent revolution will only turn the wheel of violence another revolution, around and around.

If we will but cease to destroy, we may live. We cannot negotiate with melting glaciers. Perhaps we can negotiate with the storms of insatiable greed and desire raging within our own minds. Perhaps we can come out of our addiction to more, more and faster, faster.

The revolution we must undertake to save ourselves is a revolution within our own minds toward loving kindness, truth, and respect for life.

To those who would accept a legislated statutory slavery, I say – may your shackles bind you without too much pain. May you go quietly into oblivion, and may you not burden me with the memory that you ever stood a watch with me on Spaceship Earth.

If you are interested in further exploration of personal statelessness, stop by and visit www.statelessfreedom.org.

November 5, 2007

Jeff Knaebel [send him mail] is an expatriate American domiciled in India since 1995. He formerly practiced as a registered professional engineer, having been trained at Cornell Univ. and the Colorado School of Mines.

Copyright © 2007 LewRockwell.com

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Sun 10/05/08 10:56 AM
a new(s) flash!

drinker

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Sun 10/05/08 10:54 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 10/05/08 10:55 AM

Palin is brainless. You take anyone off the street and teach them the REP mantra.

You can see how she is searching her database for the answer to any question posed.

Brain full of nothing but the talking points.



and democrats are elitist and too smart for that?

have some KOOL AID.


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Sun 10/05/08 10:52 AM
To the Democrats, voters should be free to express themselves. They fear a dress code could scare away some new voters.


houses are almost free in Detroit.

keep flailing.

you may just get everything there to be free.:wink: laugh



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Sun 10/05/08 10:48 AM

Seems like I may have shut-up the Conservative for awhile, but I doubt it, they are probably still sleeping and dreaming of a world in which they can keep all their money and wage war too.




you can count on that.:wink: laugh

so, why do you want to get your hands on my stack?

go make your own stack!

It's easy, just do it!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!!!!

You liberals always seem to think that what is mine is yours and what is yours is yours, but you do not have yours without stealing mine.

why is that?


If I want you to have it, I will give it to you.

That would be what we call a "gift", huh?

But when you dictate to me that I must give it to you upon your demand, then it is not a gift but theft.

Theft, because it is not a free will offering, nor is it a gift from my heart. It is an intrusion into my heart and taken on terms not inspired by my heart, and that, my deluded friend is what you liberals do not understand about compassion and sympathy and grace and mercy and peace.



HUH?drinks drinks drinks drinks drinks




think and :heart: or what

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Sun 10/05/08 10:38 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 10/05/08 10:39 AM
Personally, Biden has left an indelible image in my mind for a keepsake of the fond memories I have of watching Congress writhe and squirm over John Robert's nomination for Chief Justice of SCOTUS.

Biden was bleeding from the ears and foaming at the mouth over that approval process.

Such things as that make it easy to file historical events in my mind.

Who says we need a paperless society?

We've always had one.

We are lving epistles of the American Perspective.

These are good times.


drinker

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Sun 10/05/08 10:29 AM
The Laffer curve was voodoo economics then and voodoo economics now.

so is "mark to market".
so is the MLS.

so is stock pricing.

brokers hate limit orders, huh?

gotta get that bump for the transaction. LOL

Which brings me to the FRB.

wanna fly kites, anyone?


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rofl

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Sun 10/05/08 10:25 AM
LOL

google wouldee or do a Yahoo search and guess what comes up?

this forum! LOL

On yahoo, wouldee has the first two hits.

WTF?


shocked slaphead

I gotta move.rofl

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Sun 10/05/08 10:22 AM
it's 11.5 trillion, war.

the bailout, buddy. you forgot to add that in.


On Obama's watch, the National Debt will be over 20 trillion before he ever gets re-elected.

simple math and compounding interest settles that.

He has already eclipsed Bush and he hasn't done anything yet!?!?!?!?!?!

he doesn't have to, never did, and never will!

It's what he does.

cool, huh?


drinker

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Sun 10/05/08 10:18 AM
Yesterday she said that Obama and biden have no record of accomplishments and have produced nothing, and that only she and McCain have.

Thye record speaks for itself.

now vote for McCain or the do nothings.

simple.

words are just words.

act on them.


:thumbsup: waving

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Sun 10/05/08 10:15 AM
wh9ich one wrote this?

John Nichols may refer to:

John Nichols (American writer), author of The Milagro Beanfield War
John Nichols (American journalist), writer for The Nation
John Nichols (diplomat), British diplomat and Ambassador to Switzerland
John Nichols (Worcestershire cricketer), English cricketer
John Nichols (journalist), American journalist and media activist
John Nichols (linguist), professor of indigenous North American languages
John Nichols (musician), former member of the indie rock band Low
John Nichols (politician), 1800s American politician
John Nichols (printer), English printer and author
John Conover Nichols (1896–1945), United States Representative from Oklahoma
John B. Nichols (1931–2004), aviator and writer
John G. Nichols, mayor of Los Angeles
John Treadwell Nichols (1883–1958), American ichthyologist
what

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Sun 10/05/08 10:13 AM
I agree.

That's exactly what I am saying.

You are smarter than you realize.

drinker

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Sun 10/05/08 10:10 AM
If the Bohemians and the Bildeburgers and the Shriners and Masons and the internationalists are behind McCain, and if that explains why Palin was briefed last week by Karzai,Kissinger and others, then there is no chance for Obama, is there?

If Obama is not tied to these groups, and he appears not to be, then how can he win?

And if he does win, how will he get anything done at all?

Oh yeah, he has a record of doing nothing.

my bad.

never mind.

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Sun 10/05/08 10:02 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 10/05/08 10:03 AM
thought for the day.

If all deposits in all banks were cashed out, the member banks of the Federal Resrve bank cannot cover the withdrawals. period.

That having been accomplished, what would back the currency? the gold held as collateral?

nope.

The is woefully insufficient gold reserves doing the backing.

If there is no backing and the Fed has no cash, then how can they lend? They can't.

Let them have the gold held in collateral.

Debt paid.

end of story.

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