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Mon 10/06/08 08:36 AM

It is funny to hear the critiques older people have about the materialism many younger people worship, but where or who did they get it from? Thought this might be a welcome break from the back bitting of yesterday.


the Greatest Generation catered to the Baby Boomers and the biggest consumer demographic established the biggest run up in productivity and demand for goods and services oin history.

Competition for those Dollars being spent created a frenzy of psychotic,obsessive and compulsive proportions to lure the consumer to open the wallet and bleed money.

The lust for money to satiate the lust for trinkets led to success being measured by quantity and quality of possessions and instruments of material wealth and the abandonment of intrinsic values and morality as a gauge of success.

Avarice and greed is a lust insatiably fed by addictive obsessions compulsively.

Sounds like a dysfunctional mental health issue to me.


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Mon 10/06/08 08:25 AM
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/gwen-haarp-satellite-gps-emf-control-grid.htm

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Mon 10/06/08 12:37 AM
here is an obama youth song

and hitler youth song at the end.

pretty striking imagery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM&feature=related

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Mon 10/06/08 12:29 AM
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/01/pick-pockets-leg-breakers-and-bigots.html

it will take a strong stomach to read this article by Grigg, but in ther end, it is enlightening.



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Mon 10/06/08 12:12 AM
Edited by wouldee on Mon 10/06/08 12:17 AM
Conservative camp roasts more than just weenies
Birch Society summer targets liberals, plots
Los Angeles Times/July 1996
By Roy Rivenburg
Angelus Oaks, Calif. - Here are some of the things that happen at John Birch summer youth Camp: People in Revolutionary War garb fire muskets into the evening sky; bumper stickers declare, "I love animals, they're delicious"; and men in weird hats burst into cabins in the dead of night.
And campers learn about secret world plots involving devil worshipers, cocaine-snorting Caribbean rulers, the United Nations and President Clinton.

Indeed, there are enough conspiracy theories here to make even Oliver Stone's head spin.

For 26 years, the John Birch Society has offered this weeklong summer program, held in various locations around the country, as an "antidote" to what it considers leftwing "disinformation" from public schools, the media and ocher institutions.

It's a mixture of politics and play that makes for one of the nation's most unusual camp experiences.

Under a canopy of ponderosas in the San Bernardino Mountains east of Los Angeles, 85 students have paid $175 each for seven days of canoeing, ping-pong, archery, volleyball and crash courses on topics such as New Age religions, illegal immigration and the Constitution.

They also must deal with the Night Patrol, a roving band of camp counselors wearing swords and strange headgear who storm into cabins at unpredictable hours.

The idea behind the raids is to instill resentment against excessive police power, says Kevin Bearly, a former Los Angeles police officer and minister who directs the camp.

Such lessons are built into nearly every aspect of the camp.

Classes walk students through the Birch Society's often-intriguing view of current events.

The world is like a stereogram painting, instructor Orlean Koehle says.

"When you stare at it long enough," she says, "the real picture begins to open up."

Birchers believe that a powerful group of "insiders" are manipulating global events in an effort to create a totalitarian, atheistic world government.

Everything is seen in this light.

Consider the environmental movement. On the surface, it appears to be a collection of "wonderful, benevolent people trying to help and save the Earth," Koehle tells the campers, who range in age from 13 to 20.

In reality, she says, it's a plot to unite humanity against a common enemy, pollution, and lay the groundwork for a world regime.

Koehle urges students to ignore doomsday hype about-such things as endangered species - extinction isn't necessarily bad, she says, noting that dinosaurs became oil deposits -- and depletion of the ozone layer, a point with which some mainstream scientists agree.

At a bonfire that evening, the junior Birchers take her message to heart.

"Styrofoam's not bad for the ozone, is it?" quips one boy as head counselor Arnold Marquardt, who in real life works as a fire chief, tosses several foam cups onto the pyre.

On other evenings, the campfire entertainment includes cameos by "Thomas Paine" and musket-toting Revolutionary War soldiers.

Any remaining illusion that Camp Birch is just another summer getaway quickly evaporates during a tour of the cabins. Each is an orgy of red-white-and-blue streamers, balloons, bumper stickers and other patriotic paraphernalia.

"I hate what Clinton and his gang of anti-gunner, gays and liberals are doing to America," says a T-shirt hanging from the ceiling in one boys' dorm. "No New-World Order" blares a decal in a girls' cabin.

Still, not everything is purely political.

Some students nod off, doodle or pass notes during class. Young Birchers in love stroll the grounds holding hands. And a frustrated boy tries to fend off rumors that his bellybutton is pierced.

Even campers who were wary of the program initially -- Carrie Warren signed up only after her parents "bribed" her with tickets to a concert -- seem to get caught up in the JBS spirit.

"The classes are really good," says Warren, 18, who plans to enroll at Pepperdine University this fall as an aspiring corporate lawyer. "They back up what they're saying with newspaper articles and facts."

There are also flashes of humor. The head of the United Nations is referred to as "Egyptian socialist Boutros Boutros By-Golly," and the leader of Haiti is portrayed as "a coke-snorting animist voodooist" who was reinstated by "U.S. military forces on an errand assigned to them by the United Nations."

A lot of what's taught is standard conservative rhetoric-but always with a sinister twist.

Mass transit, for instance, is a mistake not because freeways are more cost-effective, but because it will allow the government to control the movement of its citizens. By getting rid of cars, "they'll be able to restrict where you go," director Bearly says.

And illegal immigration is a mess not so much for the burden it puts on social programs, but because "white Leninists" intend to spark a U.S. revolution by manipulating recent arrivals. Marxists want to send "millions of Mexicans across the border with the idea of having each kill 10 Americans," says William Grigg, a studio musician tuned Birch magazine editor who describes himself as half-Mexican, half-Irish. "My friends call me Blarney con Carne," he says.

The United Nations is viewed as a cabal of communists, Satanists and allied dupes bent on ruling the world. Aiding and abetting their cause are scores of businessmen, media executives and politicians in the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations.

The only hope for redemption, of course, is the John Birch Society. Founded in 1958 by candy baron Robert Welch, it has struggled in recent decades to regain its once-notable visibility and influence.

Welch, who died in 1985, named his organization after an Army intelligence officer who was killed by Chinese communists a week after World War II ended.

From an estimated 100,000 members in the early 1960s, the group slid to 80,000 during the 1970s and then nose-dived during Ronald Reagan's presidency.

The summer camps, which enroll about 1,000 teens each year at sites across the country, are part of the society's rebuilding plan.

Membership is open to all races and creeds, Bearly says, and "we don't promote militia movements in any way."

"We totally believe in making changes through the ballot box," he says.

Armed with facts and literature from their weeklong stay, campers can go back to their friends and classmates and argue for conservative causes, JBS officials hope.

"The good news," Grigg tells the group, "is that we will win. And I know all of you will have an important role in that victory."

http://www.rickross.com/reference/jbs/jbs1.html

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Mon 10/06/08 12:09 AM
Edited by wouldee on Mon 10/06/08 12:12 AM


this guy is interesting and colorful.

Ward Churchill even favors quoting him.LOL



William Norman Grigg
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William Norman Grigg
Born February 4, 1963 (1963-02-04) (age 45)
Burley, Idaho
Residence Payette, Idaho
Other names "Blarney con Carne"[1]
"Cuchulain Cuauhtemoc"

Occupation Editor, author
Religious beliefs Mormon (–2003)
Christian (2003–present)
Spouse(s) Korrin Weeks Grigg
William Norman Grigg (February 4, 1963 – ) is a writer of Mexican and Irish descent. He was a senior editor of The New American magazine and has authored several books from a Constitutionalist perspective.

Contents [hide]
1 John Birch Society
2 Welch Foundation
3 Other activities
4 Books
5 References
6 External links



[edit] John Birch Society
Born in Burley, Idaho on February 4, 1963, Grigg graduated Utah State University, majoring in political science.[2] He served as Provo Daily Herald columnist and Washington journalist before "seeing the light"[3] and starting work in 1993 as a correspondent, researcher, and senior editor for The New American, the official biweekly magazine of the John Birch Society (JBS). Based at the JBS's Appleton, Wisconsin, office, Grigg covered United Nations summits and conferences from 1994 to 2001, and wrote Freedom on the Altar (1995), a study of UN family policy.[2]

Associate Kevin Bearly, a minister and former police officer, conducted JBS summer youth camps in the 1990s at which Grigg and others promoted conservative causes.[1] Grigg has also spoken frequently on conspiracies and Clinton impeachment in Las Vegas,[4][5] Colorado Springs, and Salt Lake City. Grigg was associate director for Activate Congress To Improve Our Nation (ACTION), a committee incorporated by JBS to promote the impeachment of President Bill Clinton, with chapters in 50 states.[6][7]

In 2005, Grigg called for the resignation of the JBS president and CEO, G. Vance Smith, who had promoted two sons to leadership positions; Smith was narrowly deposed in a September 2005 Board of Incorporators vote. The new CEO, Arthur R. Thompson, and other leaders initiated a staff blog to which Grigg contributed heavily.

Grigg's writing reflects views heavily influenced by Constitutionalism, libertarianism, and anti-communism; Ward Churchill favorably quoted Grigg's observation that totalitarianism is defined by abundance and unintelligibility of laws.[8] While Grigg's polemical style in print and blogs has been termed "verbal pugilism",[citation needed] The New American uses a modified AP Stylebook, avoiding overuse of emotional or satirical terms.[citation needed] Grigg is also younger than the other senior JBS officials. Grigg's articles as edited and accepted for publication by The New American have been regarded as less emotionally charged than those he has submitted to other publications; he has written for LewRockwell.com since June 2004, and has contributed increasingly to The American Conservative.[citation needed]

The new JBS leadership launched the U.S. immigration issue as a major campaign in 2005. Grigg, of Mexican and Irish descent,[1] had often in JBS publications called for controls on immigration. His New American article "Revolution in America", a study of immigration problems and issues, was reprinted for its "current and incisive" rhetorical qualities by a McGraw-Hill college text.[2] Grigg has promoted the concept that "white Leninists" desired to send "millions of Mexicans across the border with the idea of having each kill 10 Americans".[1]

But by 2006 Grigg had decided that the immigration issue had been overplayed by the Republican Party as a driving cause to keep big-government, pro-war Republicans in control of the U.S. Congress. He argued that an attack on personal liberties by the George W. Bush administration and the Republican Party was a more serious impediment to personal liberty, charging the administration with committing torture, detention without trial, warrantless surveillance, and wars of empire. Grigg considered a "wave" of media attention on immigration to be "nothing more than the swirl in the bowl after the chain has been pulled" on the Republican Party.[citation needed]

Grigg formed a personal blog, "Pro Libertate", in August 2006, saying that JBS leadership had deleted some of his posts from their blog, such as a June comparison of immigration debate to professional wrestling.[9] He stated that he was fired by JBS on October 3, 2006, officially for unstated reasons.[10]


[edit] Welch Foundation
The Robert W. Welch Foundation (Right Source Online), founded in 1997 by former California JBS members, adopted Grigg's Pro Libertate blog and made him a weekly cohost (December 30, 2005 – May 4, 2007) on the nationally syndicated afternoon radio show "The Right Source" with Kevin Shannon (Bearly's pseudonym). It also launched the Pro Libertate e-zine, where Grigg brought in writers such as James Bovard and fellow LewRockwell.com columnist Scott Horton. It commissioned Grigg's 2007 book alleging Bush and Clinton attacks on liberty, Liberty In Eclipse.


[edit] Other activities
Grigg has recorded the radio spot "A Liberty Minute" weekdays since February 19, 2007, which, since July 2, has used the tagline, "Let us take back the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free" (Galatians 5:1).

Grigg is also a studio musician[1] who served as lead guitarist in the Wisconsin band "Slick Willie and the Calzones" until his 2005 move to Idaho. The band's 2001 CD, Green and Gold, featured rock, country, and jazz homages to the Green Bay Packers, such as the novelty song "Tailgate Polka".

Grigg and his wife Korrin have five children. He cited his wife's 2006 illness as a reason for suspending his secondary guitar activities.[citation needed]


[edit] Books
(1992) The Gospel of Revolt: Feminism Vs. the Family. Northwest Publishing Inc.. ISBN 1-880416-75-1.
(1995) Freedom on the Altar: The UN's Crusade Against God and Family. American Opinion Publishers. ISBN 0-9645679-0-3.
(2001) Global Gun Grab. John Birch Society. ISBN 1-881919-05-6.
(2004) America's Engineered Decline. John Birch Society. ISBN 1-881919-10-2.
(December 2007) Liberty In Eclipse: The Rise of the Homeland Security State. Welch Foundation.

[edit] References
^ a b c d e Rivenburg, Roy (July 1996). "Conservative camp roasts more than just weenies: Birch Society summer targets liberals, plots", Los Angeles Times. Retrieved on 2008-06-23.
^ a b c Seyler, Dorothy U. Read, Reason, Write, 432-437.
^ Smith, Doug (1995-02-23). "Birch Society Is Alive, Well and to the Right of Newt Gingrich", Los Angeles Times, p. 5. Retrieved on 2008-06-23.
^ Bard, Jean (1997-04-20). "About Town: Activities and events in Las Vegas", Las Vegas Review-Journal. Retrieved on 2008-06-23.
^ Bard, Jean (1997-06-15). "About Town: Activities and events in Las Vegas", Las Vegas Review-Journal. Retrieved on 2008-06-23.
^ Curtin, Dave (1998-03-23). "Impeachment group will state its case in Colo.", Denver Post, p. B4.
^ Heilprin, John (1998-04-29). "No Left Turn: John Birch Speaker Has the Right Stuff For Utah Audience", Salt Lake Tribune, p. A1. Retrieved on 2008-06-23.
^ Churchill, Ward. The Cointelpro Papers, xlvii, lxxxii.
^ Pro Libertate: Will Grigg's Birch Blog - The Lost Episodes
^ Pro Libertate: Tonight's Episode: The Tory Perspective, or There Goes my Severance (THIRD UPDATE; see comments section)

[edit] External links
Will Grigg's Liberty Minutes
Pro Libertate blog
Pro Libertate e-zine
Archives on LewRockwell.com
Notes on the Jerry Seinfeld Society
Bio at The John Birch Society
William Grigg at The American View Forum
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Sun 10/05/08 11:57 PM
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Sun 10/05/08 11:54 PM


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selected excerpts from liberal MSM, CNN.




"It was one of those things everyone could agree on except Wasilla," Croft told CNN. "We couldn't convince the chief of police to stop charging them."



During the time Palin was mayor of Wasilla, her city was not the only one in Alaska charging rape victims. Experts testified before the Legislature that in a handful of small cities across Alaska, law enforcement agencies were charging victims or their insurance "more than sporadically."


After it became law, Wasilla's police chief told the local paper, The Frontiersman, that it would cost the city $5,000 to $14,000 a year -- money that he'd have to find.

"In the past, we've charged the cost of the exams to the victim's insurance company when possible," Fannon was quoted as saying. "I just don't want to see any more burden on the taxpayer."

He suggested the criminals should pay as restitution if and when they're convicted. Repeated attempts to reach Fannon for comment were unsuccessful.

Judy Patrick, who was Palin's deputy mayor and friend, blames the state.




Before Palin came to City Hall, the Wasilla Police Department paid for rape kits out of a fund for miscellaneous costs, according to the police chief who preceded Fannon and was fired by Palin. That budget line was cut by more than half during Palin's tenure, but it did not specifically mention rape exams

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/21/palin.rape.exams/index.html


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Sun 10/05/08 11:46 PM
Jonathan Martin's Blog: Obama sought rape victim for ad - Politico.com
... of the ad may be about the practice in Wasilla, Alaska, to charge rape victims ... She was raped 24 years ago and that rape resulted in a pregnancy. ...
politico.com/blogs/.../0908/Obama_sought_rape_victim_for_ad.html - 299k - Cached



http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?fr=ybr_sbc&p=abuse%20of%20rape%20tests%20in%20alaska

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Sun 10/05/08 11:43 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 10/05/08 11:44 PM




The accurate quote is, "There's a place in Hell reserved for women who don't help other women."

fits the marginal minority expressed by NOW, doesn't it?

sure sounds like it to me.

And where is the advocate for women that are not extreme liberal haters of men?

Palin stepped up, and I haven't seen another woman step up to the plate as an advocate for women.

Not this close to the White House.

It must be because Palin is a conservative that she is unqalified to be a woman advocating women not advocated for by NOW.


That is a ridiculous reason to cap on her, ladies.


Have some sugar free diet KOOL AID.


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an advocate for women

pleeeeeasenoway

she is gonna set women back a couple of hundred years with her out of date thinking

she doesn't give a darn about women's rights
why the heck anyone would vote for her (McCain that is) is beyond me
frustrated slaphead


I was so going to say that. She will set us back in time with her way of thinking. She doesn't gave a damn about women's rights.

She approved of rape victims paying for their own rape tests. That is unforgiveable!!!


thats the kind of decision born out of religious fundamentalism and conservative extremism.




rofl rofl rofl rofl

well, some liberal bubbles need only have some facts to burst, so here goes, haters.

hope you can wasjh the bitter taste out of your mouths that spew hearsay and lies as fact with some mmmmm mmmm good KOOL AID.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Obama_sought_rape_victim_for_ad.html

September 29, 2008
Categories: Obama

Obama sought rape victim for ad

Barack Obama's campaign earlier this month sought to find a rape victim to appear in a campaign commercial, according to an e-mail obtained by Politico.

Kiersten Steward, director of public policy at the Family Violence Prevention Fund, served as a conduit between the campaign and victims and women's advocates.

"Obviously, this is a big ask and I haven’t seen a script but presumably it will be a brief 'this is what happened to me, we need someone who will fight for women like me, these are the guys to do it,'" Steward wrote in a Sept. 15 e-mail. "Again, that’s just my assumption, given how these things
usually go."

Steward, a former top aide to Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-N.Y.), said the Obama campaign would have a crew in Washington and was hoping to film that week.

She didn't respond to a message.

The Obama campaign wouldn't detail the strategy behind finding an individual to discuss such a sensitive topic but did suggest the ad may be aimed at underscoring their candidate's support for abortion rights and ongoing effort to retain those women who backed Hillary Clinton in the primary.

"Choice is an important issue, and we're going to continue talking about it in battleground states through the election," said spokesman Bill Burton.

Virginia is one of those swing states that Obama is especially focused on, and that's where one rape victim received the request to appear in an ad.

Mikele Shelton-Knight declined to do so, but said in an interview that she was glad the Obama campaign was seeking to highlight the issue.

"The more discussion about this the better," said Shelton-Knight, a full-time victims advocate in the Richmond area.

And though she never was told about the nature of the commercial, Shelton-Knight said she thought that the focus of the ad may be about the practice in Wasilla, Alaska, to charge rape victims to pay for their own exams.

The law was on the books when Sarah Palin became mayor of the small city, and it's unclear whether she supported it or opposed it during her tenure.

But Shelton-Knight said Palin should not be criticized for having governed a city with such a law as they were quite common until recent years.

Alaska didn't pass a bill until 2000 requiring state and local law endorcement to pay for the exams. And Shelton-Knight said it wasn't until lobbying by her and others that Virginia last year put the financial burden on localities. Many states still charge victims for the cost of the exam.
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I guess obama people are just liars at heart, huh?



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Sun 10/05/08 11:30 PM
Palin on the ethics charge (UPDATED)
Posted by Alaska_Politics

Posted: August 6, 2008 - 10:28 pm

From Kyle Hopkins in Anchorage --

Sorry this took so long. Here are excerpts from an interview tonight with Gov. Sarah Palin, and her spokeswoman Sharon Leighow, on the ethics complaint filed today by Andree McLeod.

To recap, McLeod says e-mails she got through a public records request show the governor's office was using its influence to help a supporter, surveyor Tom Lamal, get a DOT job in Fairbanks.

Palin says there were no favors and that the state only fixed a "glitch" that was keeping a qualified surveyor from being able to apply for a job because of outdated job requirements.

Tip: You might want to just skip to the end.



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LEIGHOW: Mr. Lamal has been a surveyor since 1967. And this situation predates the e-mails that Andree McLeod released today. Mr. Lamal had requested that the – well he was having trouble going through Workplace Alaska.

What’s Workplace Alaska?

LEIGHOW: Where you apply for a job.

LEIGHOW: So Frank Bailey was working for the Department of Administration during this time. … Frank got involved to iron out issues with the Department of Transportation that were preventing the DOT from hiring qualified folks for vacancies, for spots they couldn’t fill.

PALIN: And in this case Kyle, it was surveyor positions up in Fairbanks that could not be filled and DOT was wondering why the system kept bumping people out of the system who were highly qualified. They were registered surveyors. … That system it included 20-year-old job descriptions for things like surveyors. And that is why the really qualified registered surveyors kept getting ot of the system. Tom Lamal was one of those that was getting kicked out.



LEIGHOW: Mr. Lamal went through all the normal hiring process. But it wasn’t until the DOT updated, it’s called minimum qualifications, that allow the Department of Personnel to actually hire Mr. Lamal.



PALIN: … So many of these technical classified positions in the state, they go unfilled because of glitches in Workplace Alaska because there’s so many outdated job descriptions. In this case it was a 20-year-old outdated job description. A minimum qualification that didn’t match what today’s market provides.

Here a qualified, overly qualified really, surveyor, getting booked out of the system because of this glitch. Not only did DOT, they couldn’t figure out why they couldn’t get these right of way surveyor positions filled, but Department of Administration, having been given that heads up from a constituent, Tom Lamal, who had been trying to use the normal process – that the Department of Administration, Frank Bailey, Kevin Brooks, worked with DOT on those minimum qualifications.

And we were lucky to have somebody whose been a registered surveyor since the 60s who wanted to work for the state instead of the private sector where they could have made a lot more. …

...

LEIGHOW: They updated the system … they worked out the glitches that were preventing Mr. Lamal from getting his application kicked back.

PALIN: Not this just job description, but through recruitment and retention efforts to get and keep good state employees, finally Workplace Alaska under Kevin Brooks and a couple of other managers have been updating these job descriptions. It’s no wonder that we have such huge recruitment issues.

I can hear the critics saying: Wait, was it a case of this person couldn’t get a job … they didn’t meet whatever specifications there were for the job, so the job specifications were changed?

PALIN: No. And Kevin can give you the details for what was kicking a registered surveyor out of the system. Why a registered surveyor could not at least appear to be a candidate, meeting qualifications, when they were over qualified.

…No favors were done. This was part of the regular process system.



SHARON: Andree McLeod had requested e-mails from Feb. 1 to April 15, she was looking for partisan activity. She’s using just a handful of e-mails that don’t fully explain what preceeded this.

PALIN: And this is the same Andree McLeod that follows us around at public events and camps herself out in our waiting area and hounds us for a job, asking us if there’s a way she can go around workplace Alaska and not have to go through he system to get a job with this administration.

What job does she want?

PALIN: Anything.

NOTE: This begs a reply from McLeod. At first she said “no comment.” Then said: “The messenger always gets clobbered. I’m not interested in getting into a cat fight. The issue at hand is this complaint.” Palin also referred to McLeod as “the falafel lady” because she sold falafels downtown. McLeod said she once appeared in a Republican Governors Association ad supporting Palin. Be sure to send me link if you can find it online.
http://community.adn.com/node/128531


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Sun 10/05/08 11:29 PM
According to Kyle Hopkins at the Anchorage Daily News, in an interview with Governor Palin about the complaint she said, "This is the same Andree McLeod that follows us around at public events and camps herself out in our waiting area and hounds us for a job, asking us if there's a way she can go around Workplace Alaska and not have to go through the system to get a job with this administration,"

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/the_email_boomerang

actually, the lawsuit is old news, and Andree McLeod felt the need to appeal the judges ruling against her original petition
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9650_appeal_palin_secret_emails.html

and read the letter from her atty on record to Gov, Palin after the case was lost and went to appeal
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1401708/Andr%C3%A9e-McLeods-an-independent-watchdog-appeal-in-the-case-of-Sarah-Palin-secret-emails

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Sun 10/05/08 11:12 PM


She couldn't talk about the causes. The Alaskans receive dividends.
I still say we should sell alaska back to russia for 700 billion. funny isnt it? Russia has more cash on hand than america. I wonder if they will win the cold war after all?


such hate and discontent.

we got more than that from the oil so far.

we will get a lot more than 700 billion in natural gas being pumped out of the ground and sent to you.

get real.
think slaphead
you are boring me with your ignorance.


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Sun 10/05/08 11:10 PM

I am not suprised if she was up to date on drilling for oil she was recently video taped praying for just that laugh Sarah Palin: Alaskan Pipeline is "God's will http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS_VduCWhzM


yup, and your point?

whatever your point is, you lost its validity with your filter.

you didn't listen at all.

she asked others to pray about what she was doing and the request for prayer was for them to consider their vote for such a NATURAL GAS LINE, not oil, when it comes to that.

She was not willy nilly saying God will do it and therefore just accept it.

You do not know God, if that's what you think she meant.

She knows that God speaks to the hearts of any that will listen, and if they listen, they may very well hear God speak.

But God speaks for God.

Palin did not say God tells me you need to vote for this, but she said that she believed God was expressing God's will to HER as to moving forward with the project and she shared transparently her intentions to do so as Governor.

DO you and others want her to drop the project because she says what she says, or do you want the natural gas in Alaska brought down to the lower 48?

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face, just yet! LOL


mad man, you watch the same things I do and you describe something completely different.

first, it's not oil, it's about naturak gas.

Second, she wasn't praying for anything, she already prayed and her talk. She was suggesting that others take it up with God. Something you know nothing about, apparently.

Thirdly, your suprise at her being up to date is really about your perceptions and not about what she said, even though you had the presence of mind to share the video of what she said.

That is the only correct thing you did.

You mischaracterized her remarks and spewed a lie.

That is what you liberals do.

spew hate and discntent in the name of Americanism.

How smug.

KOOL AID isn't just for kids anymore, its for washing down free lunches.

Palin is giving the country a gift and you can't see that.

Her criny "good ol' boys that she kich=ked to the curb in Alaskan gubernatorial executive power never would have brought you that pipeline.

wqhy the hate and discontent?

because she is a generous conservative with a clear mind and sound heart and a ready smile and a happy spirit?

get a life and quit trying to pi$$ on her parade.

You should be applauding her.

She smoked you.

she smoked Biden.

She smoked the competition.

Newt Gingrich too, he's the one that had been publicly for her appointment for over a year.

You missed that too.

Almost everyone has.

Ask Sean Hannity how many time Newt plugged her as a great VP over the months. if you dare.

you people amaze me at your sloppiness and contempt for anything real.

Here's the KOOL AID...drinks drinks drinks

don't want you choking on my words.rofl

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Sun 10/05/08 10:39 PM


She smoked him? Are you drinking the kool-aid you talk about so much?

I still shudder when someone mentions her response to climate change.

She's a robot Wouldee, you know and so do I.


I think she has to say that stuff about climate change. No intelligent person would think that. I think she may have to say it so they keep getting their dividends from the oil companies.


I remember her saying quite clearly that she wasn't going to get bound up in debating the causes, but was only interested in the impact of the climate changes.

That brought her to pragmatism about drilling for iol, getting the natural gas to market, and getting busy on alternatives.

If that is not a cut through the mustard answer, then what is?

She cut to the chase and yarded Ifill and Biden.

I don't know what debate you thought you were watching, but it sure wasn;t this one, unlkess you took a KOOL AID break or something and missed it.


this is what is wrong with America.

Americans do not listen to what is said by their favorite person to hate, and only listen for not being compliant with puppets parroting the dogma sought for instant gratification.

Good luck with comprehending what hits you on November 5 when you wake from your dream.

waving

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Sun 10/05/08 10:27 PM
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Sun 10/05/08 10:25 PM
laugh maybe they did.

blackwater gets it.:wink:

and if they didn't, be glad they haven't.

get it?

bigsmile

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Sun 10/05/08 10:18 PM
here's another story about playing war for keeps

There was a chemistry professor who had exchange students in his class. One day while the class was in the lab, the professor noticed one young exchange student who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked him what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a communist regime. In the midst of his story, he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The professor thought it was a joke and asked what the punch line was. The young man said it was no joke. 'You catch pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again. The you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start eating again. You continue till you have all four sides of fence with a gate in the last side. The pigs, which have become used to eating all this free corn start to come through the gate to eat the free corn again. You then slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly, the pigs have lost their freedom. They run around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon, they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves so they accept the captivity. The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening in the United States. The government keeps pushing us towards communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credits for unearned income, tax cuts, tax exemptions, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments to not plant crops (CRP), welfare, drugs, etc. - while we continually lose our freedoms just a little at a time. One should always remember two truths: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH and YOU CAN NEVER HIRE SOMEONE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE FOR YOU CHEAPER THAN YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF. If you see that all of this wonderful government 'help' is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America, you might want to send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is your way of life, then you probably will delete this email. But God help you when the gate slams shut! The only thing I can add to this is a question for you. Which candidates out there are most anxious to spread around the feed corn and what might be their motives? Think about it.

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Sun 10/05/08 10:07 PM
we weren't watching the same debates.

here, have some KOOL AID.


drinks drinks drinks drinks

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Sun 10/05/08 10:05 PM
what's worse?

this or the editorial about this?huh

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