It's funny isn't it? How your spirit can know something that your mind can't put properly into words. That's why we can't make non-believers believe by talking about the Bible, our minds can't articulate what the spirit knows.

The entire biblical picture has God as a ruler not unlike Kings of old. In fact much of the bible is writing using this authoritarian mindset.

The very idea that Satan wanted to ‘overthrow’ God is an idea that God’s power lies in his authority, not any different from an earthly king. In this picture, God could actually be overthrown theoretically. Otherwise Satan’s threat to overthrow God would have been laughable.

It would make no sense for God to be at ‘war’ with an enemy who poses no real threat to him. The very fact that he had to sacrifice his own son to regain “authority” over the devil is a clear sign that God must bargain and negotiate for things just like earthly kings.

The entire biblical story is based on this authoritarian view. God as the ultimate authoritarian sitting on a throne as the ultimate ruler of the kingdoms of heaven and earth.

This picture is riddled with logistical problems, not the least of which is that it has God being very egotistical and emotional.

Albert Einstein had this to say about the biblical picture of God,…

“I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty..” – Albert Einstein

Einstein is perfectly correct in his assessment of the biblical God. This is a self-confessed jealous God who exhibits all of the human frailties of man. He also exhibits all of the hopes and dreams of men. This is a God who has ambitions of becoming the king of kings and lord of lords of his every own creation. A very egotistically ambitious God, who has already confessed at the very beginning that he possesses the human frailty of jealousy.

He become angry, and sad. Quite an emotional God. He supposedly weeps when someone is cast into hell because he is powerless to stop it. A very strange behavior for a supposedly all-powerful God don’t you think?

Why would God weep is someone deserves to go to hell? And if they don’t deserve it, then why they hell are they being sent there in the first place?

This is a story that starting out with a God who merely wanted obedience. But it ended up being a story about a God who demands that everyone believe in a precise doctrine. Failure to believe in this doctrine will bring the wrath of this angry egotistical God against you! And it doesn’t matter if you are a perfectly good person in all other respects. The entire religion is a train wreck that got off the tracks a very long time ago.

If this picture of God is true, then this God is truly a blundering egotistical fool. He had to drown out his entire creation at one point! And what was his master plan again?,… oh yeah, he has ambitions of becoming the king of kings and lord of lords to rule over his creation, but apparently he can’t create anyone who will listen to him.

This story is as senseless as a story can be. According to this story God’s Master Plan is to become the king of kings and lord of lords and have every tongue confess that he is the ruler of all, and ever knee bow down to his ultimate authority.

This is a picture of an egotist gone mad! All he seems to be concerned with is having people bow down and worship him. He doesn’t care who’s willing to do it or who isn’t. He’s only concerned with preserving those who will, and casting the rest in to the fire-pit of eternal hell and damnation.

This isn’t about an all-loving God. It’s not even close! It’s about a God that has been fashioned in the minds of men to reflect their own egotistical ambitions. Just like Albert Einstein has pointed out.

You may choose to believe that God is "in control" of everything and that there is a single entity who sits as ruler over all, and you may even be correct in that idea.

But my statement said:

God does not control everything.

Which is true.

Example:
George W. Bush may sit as president of the United States, but he does not control everything that goes on in this country.

Another thing to consider is the the very idea of "free will."

By the granting of free will, God has relinquished his control of everything and taken a "non interference" stance in the concerns of the world.

So even if God had the power to control everything, He (It) does not do so in allowing free will.

JB

" Organized religion is one of the greatest hindrence to mankind. It preaches cosolidation but instead divides itself into a myriad of sectarian factions for selfish reasons, as pride reign's king among it's leaders and followers.

It preaches healing while while festering from within from spiritual corruption and desease. It preaches giving, sharing,and caring - while those in there own communities, go to bed hungry,cold,homeless,sick, and less than cared for. Yet there selfish coffers are full of plentiness to fill up there own needs. All of which are non essentials, bigger buildings, nicer interiors,better means to entertain and attract more of there kinds.

It is the epitomy of self centeredness masked in the semblence of hope, love, charity and unity. And GOD turns away from it all to keep the stench from his nostrils."

THE BOOK OF TRUTH'S (c) 1996

do God a favor, stop wasting your time posting worthless statements as im about to do, and go see to the needs of others in your community.

The will is always free.

It is the power of self direction, the power to think for yourself apart from all influences, apart from programing apart from the zodiac or God's plan.

People are not free until they learn self mastery and learn to use their will to direct themselves.

Most people think and act according to their programing unless and until they recognize and use their conscious will.

God does not know what you will do. You don't even know what you will do.

There are probabilities and all of them exist and some of them are very likely to occur or be chosen but when you use your conscious will you are directing your own life in the present moment.

JB

Free will... as in free from any external influences???

It does not exist.

Will is completely determined by the perceptual faculty.

Where there's a will ...






There's a whole load of grieving relatives!

Will, when used, is always free.

It is the power of self direction. It can overrule all influences and perceptions.

(People sometimes refuse to believe their own eyes.)

Using the term "free will" is like using the term "wet water"

All water is wet.

All will is free.

That is my opinion.

JB

JB,

You're kidding yourself...

Water is always wet... unless it is frozen or evaporated...

Will is always determined by what one perceives...

Choices are determined by what one perceives, will is not.

spider,

Will is what one desires... that is completely contingient upon what one recognizes as desirable.

Perceptual faculties determine all things recognized and chosen.




Edited out the to have part...

Spider, I believe you are closer to the truth.

Water is water.
Ice is ice.
Evaporated it is clouds.

Now if you want to call it H2O that's a different story.

I don't know where you get your idea that will is determined by what one percieves, but I think you just don't know what will really is.

I have an excellent book called "The power of Will" in digital format if you would like to read it. It is a public domain book and a very good one, well over 300 pages.

If you are interested I will send you a link to it's location.

JB

Will isn't what one desires. I might desire Jessica Biel, that doesn't mean I get her. I might desire a million dollars, but that doesn't mean I get it. Will is the decision to persue what you desire. Limited perspection of reality could change the number and quality of decisions available to you, but it doesn't effect your ability to take any of the decisions available to you.

"The Will is sometimes defined as the "faculty of conscious, and especially of deliberative action." Whether the word "conscious" is essential to the definition may be questioned. Some actions which are unconscious are, nevertheless, probably expressions of the Will; and some involuntary acts, are certainly conscious. All voluntary acts are deliberative, for deliberation may proceed "with the swiftness of lightning," as the saying goes, but both deliberation and its attendant actions are not always conscious. A better definition of the Will, therefore, is "THE POWER OF SELF DIRECTION."

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Exerp from the book "Power of Will" by By FRANK CHANNING HADDOCK, M.S., PH.D.
Author of "POWER FOR SUCCESS," "CULTURE of COURAGE."
"Practical PSYCHOLOGY," "Business POWERS "Creative PERSONALITY

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FREEDOM

Moreover, the phrase "freedom of will" is tautology, and the phrase "bondage of will" is contradiction of terms. To speak of the freedom of the Will is simply to speak of the Will's existence. A person without power to decide what he shall do is not a complete organism.

Will may not exist, but if there is any Will in mind, it is free.

Will may be weak, but within the limitations of weakness, freedom nevertheless obtains. No bondage exists in the power of person to will somewhat. Bondage may obtain in the man, by reason of physical disorders, or of mental incapacity, or of moral perversion, or perhaps, of environment. For the Will "does not sensate: that is done by the senses; it does not cognize: that is done by the intellect; it does not crave or loathe an object of choice: that is done by the affections; it does not judge of the nature, or value, or qualities of an object: that is done by the intellect; it does not moralize on the right or wrong of an object, or of an act of choice: that is done by the conscience (loosely speaking): it does not select the object to be chosen or to be refused, and set it out distinct and defined. known and discriminated from all others, and thus made ready, after passing under the review of all the other faculties, to be chosen or refused by the Will: for this act of selecting has already been done by the intellect."

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Link to the book:

http://www.bacaracka.com/books/Powerofwill.html (web page)

http://www.bacaracka.com/books/will.pdf (PDF file)

JB

Spider, I agree. (That alone is amazing.. LOL )

so do a baby have free will ..and if not then what age does free will start ..how high does one's IQ has to be before "Free Will" is activated..so do a duck billed platapus have more free will than a baby ...and what kind of "free Will" do people have that animals don't...do some animals have more "Free Will" than humans

Funches if you are truly interested in what the will is, then go to the link I provided and download the book.

All will is free.

JB