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My will has freely decided not to jump through any of your hoops. don't worry "JennieBean".. no one ever makes it through that hoop You are not my trainer or handler. (I am yours. Now go reboot like the good little robot you are.) yes Mistress When you come back you can show me your bone. JB which bone mistress ..I have 206 of them..well...er..maybe 207 give or take a bone or two |
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Okay, I spit back at you the words you put into my mouth. Individuality is not necessarily free will, one can choose to be like everyone else, it is still their free will because they can choose that or not or be original and choose something else completely. Originality is not necessarily free will because people can choose to follow the crowd, free will, or they can choose not to, free will. Free will is the choice we make within the environment we have available to us. "Dragoness" without Individuality or Originality would only make someone part of the herd mentality ..and then to claim one has "Free Will" only proves irrationality I never said anything about someone not having individuality nor originality, I even said I am a very original person if you read back. Originality and individuality can play a part in free will or a person can choose to follow others in their choices but it is still there own free will to do so. you said that "Free Will" was not individuality or originality ..and beside how can you yourself claim to be original if you can't even form your own original thoughts.... You said free will is not individuality nor originality (trying to put words in my mouth) I did not say that. I said that free will does not have to mean individuality or originality but it can. My original thoughts are all over the last few pages of this thread. You read them. |
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You said free will is not individuality nor originality (trying to put words in my mouth) I did not say that. I said that free will does not have to mean individuality or originality but it can. "Dragoness" ..you just said it does not mean it but it can...that's a contradiction ...see you can't even make up your mind My original thoughts are all over the last few pages of this thread. You read them. that's the answer people always response with ...so come on maybe I missed them so can you post one of your own rational original thoughts that no one else ever said right now so I can be sure to see it ...please ..please ...please...baby please .. |
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My will has freely decided not to jump through any of your hoops. don't worry "JennieBean".. no one ever makes it through that hoop You are not my trainer or handler. (I am yours. Now go reboot like the good little robot you are.) yes Mistress When you come back you can show me your bone. JB which bone mistress ..I have 206 of them..well...er..maybe 207 give or take a bone or two You know perfectly well which bone I like best. 
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There is no such thing as free will..if there were my life would be WAY different Continue thinking like that, and you will always be destined to bad decisions Ok..it's true anyway. Wow, its a shame that you can't even decide what and when to eat, or if you are gonna get out of bed. Free will and opportunities are 2 different things. |
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You said free will is not individuality nor originality (trying to put words in my mouth) I did not say that. I said that free will does not have to mean individuality or originality but it can. "Dragoness" ..you just said it does not mean it but it can...that's a contradiction ...see you can't even make up your mind No that is not a contradiction. It is just like saying a rectangle can be a square but it doesn't have to be. Dragoness and I usually don't see eye to eye, but I am in agreement with her on this one. |
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You said free will is not individuality nor originality (trying to put words in my mouth) I did not say that. I said that free will does not have to mean individuality or originality but it can. "Dragoness" ..you just said it does not mean it but it can...that's a contradiction ...see you can't even make up your mind No that is not a contradiction. It is just like saying a rectangle can be a square but it doesn't have to be. Dragoness and I usually don't see eye to eye, but I am in agreement with her on this one. "Chazster" the conversation was about wheather one has 'Free Will" or not..which means you either do or you don't and "Dragoness is constantly contradicting or retracting her statements .. and if I was to use her explanation of 'Free Will" along with your rectangle analogy...if would go like this... either the rectangle is a retangle or it's not a rectangle and if it's not a rectangle then why would you claim that it may be a rectangle ..which is a total contradiction so it appear that you and "Dragoness" seeing eye to eye with each other may be because things are a little blur |
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My will has freely decided not to jump through any of your hoops. don't worry "JennieBean".. no one ever makes it through that hoop You are not my trainer or handler. (I am yours. Now go reboot like the good little robot you are.) yes Mistress When you come back you can show me your bone. JB which bone mistress ..I have 206 of them..well...er..maybe 207 give or take a bone or two You know perfectly well which bone I like best. mistress if I could read your mind then I would have "Free Will" and wouldn't be calling you mistress so can you atleast give me the first letter of the bone |
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The bible makes it clear here that God has already set your destiny. You have no free will. Just like Mary could not refuse a lustful God, or Job save himself from grief. If you believe in that book you believe you are puppets of God. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.ans ur definition of the scripture you wrote above, and those are your interpretations of the meaning......IF ONE QUOTES A BOOK, THEN THE BOOK MUST ALSO GIVE THE ANSWER, NOT THE MINDS PICTURE..... THE BIBLE CALLS GOD ONLY TRUTH.....SO THEN EACH HUMAN IS A PUPPET OF THEIR "OWN" HEART, WHICH CONTAIN THEIR TRUTH, JUST AS CHRISTS HEART LED HIM TO HIS TRUTH........HE DID NOT KNOW BY ANY GREATER FORKNOWLEDGE THAN EACH ONE HERE......HE DID NOT KNOW HE WAS GOING TO BE CRUCIFIED WHEN HE WAS BORN, OR AS A BOY.......HIOS STORY IS A MAN BORN JUST LIKE EACH OF US, THAT HAD TO LEARN BY EXPERIENCE AND FEAR TO FOLLOW HIS OWN HEART......IT WAS SAID THAT HE FELT IN ALL WAYS AS WE DID, LOL......HIS WAS THE GREATEST SACRIFICE???? MANY HAVE DIED FOR THE TRUTH......THAT IS WHY IT WAS WRITTEN THAT JESUS HAD SAID WE WAS HONORED TO CALL US FRIENDS......THAT DOES NOT SOUND AS ONE THAT WISHES ANY TO WORSHIP HIM, BUT ONE THAT SEEN OTHERS AS EQUAL TO HIMSELF, AND ALL HE MET FELT THIS FROM HIM!!!!! HIS WHOLE WORDS WERE RATHER LIFE AND EACH OTHER IS PRECIOUS, AND EACH WALK A ROAD THAT FEW AROUND WILL ENCOURAGE, LOL............IF WE HEAR CHRISTS WORDS AND THEY SAY OTHERS ARE BAD OR WRONG THAN WE ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING, AND ONLY USE THE MIND AND NOT THE HEART TO HEAR......WHY DID HE WHISPER TO THE PROSTITUTE......BECAUSE EACH HAS A PATH, THAT THEY THEMSELF VOLUNTEERED FOR BEFORE COMING TO EARTH.......HIS OWRDS WERE TO HER, NOT TO ANOTHER......PLEASE MAN......WHY IT WAS SAID NOT TO LEAN ON ONES OWN UNDERSTANDING, LOL...... THE SCRIPTURE SAYS THE HEART OF EACH MAN IS GOD, AND IS A DIRECT LINK TO YOUR LOGOS ON THE OTHER SIDE, OR YOURSELF AS IF SEPERATED AT BIRTH FROM IT'S LOGOS.......FROM A DIFFERENT DIMENSION.....SO THEN IT SAY EACH BEING IS CONFORMED OR MADE INTO THE SAME IMAGE OF CHRIST, SO THEN EACH HAS BEEN PROPHECIED THEY WILL BE THAT IN THE END, AND DO AND THINK AS CHRIST DID BUT WITH MODERN CIRCUMSTANCES TO HANDLE.......JUST A PROMISE TO MAKE EACH STOP TRYING TO BE WHAT OTHERS THINK, BUT RELY ON THEIR OWN HEART.....HAVE WE FORGOTTEN THAT THE BIBLE ALSO SAY ONLY THE HOLY GHOST CAN BREATH LIFE INTO ANYTHING.....SO THEN MARY BE VISITED BY THE HOLY GHOST IS THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENS TO ALL MOTHERS, LOL.......JMO |
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God certainly has given us a free will, the will to either accept Him or reject Him. He will never force Himself upon us.
And, yes, He does have plans for us: Jerimiah 29:11 "For I know the plans i have made for you declares the Lord, plans to p rosper you and not to harm you, plans to gie you hope and a future." We, especially me, can very easily mess up His plans for us by going outside of His will for us. i.e., going out and getting drunk, stealing, gossiping, etc. But, He always forgives us and His plan is still there for us, we just have to keep abiding in Him, and if we slip and fall, get back up, ask for forgiveness and try again. Lindyy 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 05/29/08 11:51 AM
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God certainly has given us a free will, the will to either accept Him or reject Him. He will never force Himself upon us. THANK GOD FOR THAT! Forcing himself upon us would be like rape. And, yes, He does have plans for us: There are always strings attached. I knew it.  Jerimiah 29:11 "For I know the plans i have made for you declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to gie you hope and a future." We, especially me, can very easily mess up His plans for us by going outside of His will for us. His will, our will, they are the same thing. Will is will. We have plans to prosper and we have hope and we have a future. God lives in us. His will is our will. i.e., going out and getting drunk, stealing, gossiping, etc. But, He always forgives us and His plan is still there for us, we just have to keep abiding in Him, and if we slip and fall, get back up, ask for forgiveness and try again. Freedom of self direction. Freedom to choose to act. That is "free will" There is no question that all have this will. The law of Karma, the Law of Cause and effect is put in place to teach people how to choose. JB |
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God certainly has given us a free will, the will to either accept Him or reject Him. He will never force Himself upon us. THANK GOD FOR THAT! Forcing himself upon us would be like rape. or like immaculate conception |
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Our will is still free. We do the choosing that's why there are no fence sitters in this.
God knew which ones would believe in him. We are first born into existance with our predispositions & leanings. Then we encounter God & become born in His image. We CONSENT to it freely with our will. There are those who respond to His call then there are some who don't because of whatever reason. Whatever sins we commit are due to our corrupt nature without God but I can also tell you that it's God who RESTORES people to their right minds & delivers them & cleanses them from ALL their unrighteous behaviors. That's what it's all about.  
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2 : freedom of humans to "make choices" that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention
quotation mark's by tribo  |
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Our will is still free. We do the choosing that's why there are no fence sitters in this. God knew which ones would believe in him. We are first born into existance with our predispositions & leanings. Then we encounter God & become born in His image. We CONSENT to it freely with our will. There are those who respond to His call then there are some who don't because of whatever reason. Whatever sins we commit are due to our corrupt nature without God but I can also tell you that it's God who RESTORES people to their right minds & delivers them & cleanses them from ALL their unrighteous behaviors. That's what it's all about. Ahhhhh yes put very well indeed.......and this is my choice to write this....and my freewill to believe it with all my heart, all my soul, and all my mind. |
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Edited by
Quikstepper
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Sun 06/01/08 11:08 AM
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Our will is still free. We do the choosing that's why there are no fence sitters in this. God knew which ones would believe in him. We are first born into existance with our predispositions & leanings. Then we encounter God & become born in His image. We CONSENT to it freely with our will. There are those who respond to His call then there are some who don't because of whatever reason. Whatever sins we commit are due to our corrupt nature without God but I can also tell you that it's God who RESTORES people to their right minds & delivers them & cleanses them from ALL their unrighteous behaviors. That's what it's all about. Ahhhhh yes put very well indeed.......and this is my choice to write this....and my freewill to believe it with all my heart, all my soul, and all my mind. Well actually holiness is not something unattainable... Holiness means wholeness...with our entire being...that our mind soul body spirit & will are in AGREEMENT WITH God... what peace there is. We are no longer fighting with other members in our body. LOL Did yu ever hear the joke about the person who had a fight with himself & lost? Ever wonder what it would be like to not have to fight with yourself AT ALL? God is good!!!
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Edited by
davidben1
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Tue 06/24/08 04:28 PM
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If god gave free will, but planned the lives of people, how does that make people free? If he is in charge doesn't that mean he made people sin? Is it like a person makes plans of what he is going to do and god already knows these plans, or is it that god already knows what were going to do but ignores it? Isn't this theory rather confusing because if god controls everything where is the free will? one would need to know who god is......just the WHOLE destiny of each being......it was said all men were born into sin, and are guilty of sin, and sin was said to be things that would make each UNHAPPY......that is all.......so all beings will have to as if "blind" do what is felt and seen as stupid, but if one was not forced to do what they did yesterday, by an invisible hand over they conscious eyes, then NO MAN WOULD HAVE DONE ANY BAD, AND WHAT HUMAN WOULD KNOW WHAT GOOD IS.........had to have "bad" as a point of reference.......who volunteers to murder while we are here so we have an idea or point of reference of what NO MURDER IS LIKE, LOL.......i am glad that was not my path, but i certainally see that there are WAY TOO MANY THINGS EACH HUMAN HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, so i KNOW that if i was born into the body, mind, and environment of another i would have made the SAME choice.......yes, free will to use logic to REACT to all environmental exposure......to all things seen, heard, smelled, tasted, and felt........that is NOT A PRONOUNCEMENT OF CONTROL IS IT??.......NEVER SAID CONTROL, IN FACT SAID ONLY GOD OR JUST EACH ONES DESTINY OR PRE-WRITTEN PATH WOULD HOLD THE CONTROL........JUST FREE WILL TO BE TAUGHT BY BEING MADE TO EXPEREINCE MANY, MANY THINGS MANY WOULD NEVER VOLUNTEER FOR, AT LEAST NOT VOLUNTEER FOR WITH THE CONSCIOUS MIND WE USE WHILE HERE........but certainly all had the choice of script and even jumped to "life" or the dream here with all excitment and purpose to do such an "easy" job of their lot in the short mortal life dream, lol.......seems there is GOOD reason to make beings GAIN a mortal persepctive before releasing them into an immortal realm or life.........JMO |
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