Topic: Are We There Yet? - Life In Hell
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Mon 01/26/09 05:00 PM
By Ted Twietmeyer
1-25-9

Biblically Hell is supposedly down deep in the Earth. As the most unpleasant place in the universe, no one should desire to go there. A place reserved for the scum of the Earth, the unrepentant, the killers, the unforgiving and the evil. It's a place of endless torment, torture and unimaginable suffering.


We should question one thing about hell ­ what purpose is there in torturing someone for all time and eternity? Is this any more sensible than a judge giving a murderer multiple life sentences, instead of just putting them out of their misery and saving taxpayers millions of dollars housing and feeding them?


We've also heard that one of the many techniques of the devil is to make everything go well in your life. Then right at the most joyful moment in your life, he pulls in that rope around your neck with a big yank.


So, what's the difference between up here and "down there?" Hasn't life on Earth become somewhat equivalent to hell? We'll explore that possibility further.


Our planet is the most beautiful place around in light years. It's a blue marble floating in a solar system full of boiling hot, freezing cold or acid-filled planets. Our planet is filled with countless, amazing plant and animal species, many of which only now science is beginning to discover. Sunsets and sunrises which are always different, the feeling of a warm spring wind blowing on your face, the sound of songbirds singing and bringing in a new day.


Earth is supposed to be a beautiful place made just for human beings to enjoy.


The worst suffering on Earth is rarely seen in person, but it's always felt in the soul. It's the sound of a patient in a hospital emergency room crying out in pain. Or a family weeping for a loved one who has passed away. Or a parent who suddenly learns they are jobless without a safety net, because their safety net was torn asunder by the economy and they have children to feed.


Men and women are utterly terrified about how they will put gasoline in their vehicle, keep the heat and lights on, keep a roof over their family's head and put food on the table. It's a repeat of 1929 all over again, but this time it will last far longer.


Countless adults live with the terror of having a process server pound on their door and serve them with a summons or judgment for medical bills that can't possibly pay. Hospitals may save your life, but they are well known to be the most aggressive bill collectors on Earth when it comes to medical bills.

I've been through everything mentioned above, and know how much it hurts.


Some of the worst misery we will ever experience will be caused by invisible, intangible forces. Even a broken arm doesn't compare to numerous invisible sources of torture.


There are elected leaders that squeeze the same people who put into office threatening them with bold statements such as, "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists." And a brand new President, who only seconds after supposedly being sworn in spends the next half-hour ranting on how bad things are, and how they will only be getting worse. Thank you so much for your words of encouragement.


Since up until now he has kept the plan for change under wraps, one can only assume it will be more hell on Earth.


And so Earth was made as a beautiful place just for human beings to enjoy. So who in their right mind can identify suffering with "joy?" Perhaps only someone who enjoys punishment for something they didn't do in the first place?

Christians will immediately raise the hair on the back of their necks upon reading or hearing this, and respond with something like "You don't understand. We're here to be tested and tried and we must resist the devil and his devices." Perhaps there is a certain measure of truth to this.


When parents stood over a coffin of a 16 year old beaten to death by a gang while simply walking to work, his Christian parents looked down at the lifeless body and declared, "It was his time to die." I heard this in person and was appalled. Apparently logic doesn't apply to needless suffering.


Indeed, IF it was this young man's time to die, then that logically means the killers were sanctioned by God. If this theory is carried to its logical conclusion, then the young man's murderers cannot be held accountable before God.


When God did not stop Stalin, Lenin, or Hitler (or Bush) was He sanctioning them to be His killers? Of course, we're not privy to that information. We're just the monkeys that don't deserve to know why countless millions were exterminated and God never stepped in. But the fact remains he didn't step in. So therefore, the killing of millions was sanctioned.


The more you think about this, the worse the ramifications are. Are sanctioned genocidal killers any different than a sanctioned small gang taking the life of one innocent man? Perhaps the parents were right ­ maybe it was the boy's time to die. If so, then God cannot be the parent's friend. Think about that.


It has often been said, "You cannot know good without evil." Even a blind man can see evil is winning the battle here "above ground" by a long shot, whether by design or not. Millions of people have uttered billions of prayers looking for help, but the situation is getting worse, not better. Surely millions were praying in the last century when the aforementioned killers were in business. Maybe the line was busy?


None of this is meant to declare that God doesn't exist. But looking at the agony, misery and suffering everywhere on Earth today, it's safe to say He just doesn't get involved and stop it. Earth really isn't the nice place we were meant to enjoy, and instead it's more like a version of hell with window dressing.


We are to simply shut up and suffer. Or be like the man in the film "Animal House" who is on all fours in the basement of a frat house. He is getting paddled in his underwear and with each hit of the paddle yells out, "Thank you sir, may I have another."


In fact, it gets worse as the entire world is led astray by world leaders. They are digging a deeper and deeper hole for humanity. Yet few seem to address or consider this issue. At least one prophecy about the last days appears to be correct ­ right shall be wrong and wrong shall be right. This has indeed happened, as the public now gravitates toward everything that destroys the family, and shuns and laughs at anything that promotes family unity.


Perhaps all of us have already died and we don't realize we're in hell already?

Doctors only try to help after you're sick. Police officers only show up after you're robbed. It's up to each of us to pull ourselves out of the quick-sand of hell, and hold those accountable that put us there. Only then can we move forward.


Ted Twietmeyer

http://www.rense.com/general84/arewe.htm

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Mon 01/26/09 05:07 PM
Oh Yeah...with OBAMA & the DEMS in charge...you will be SCREAMING for Bush soon enough. laugh

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Mon 01/26/09 05:09 PM
I'll never scream bush. Never...

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Mon 01/26/09 05:13 PM
As evidenced in our rapid decline.

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Mon 01/26/09 05:15 PM
Edited by madisonman on Mon 01/26/09 05:19 PM

I'll never scream bush. Never...
Im with you on the GW thing.

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Mon 01/26/09 05:21 PM
This has to be one of the most idiotic articles I have ever read. I especially love the part about doctors and police only being able the fact. Wasn't this rant originally about God? Seriously, they are humans. Unless there is some mysterious crystal ball shoved up their butt, how else are they to know in advance that some freak act is about to happen. If you are so against this country and its beliefs, I welcome you to leave. Try finding it anywhere better on this beautiful planet.

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Mon 01/26/09 05:25 PM

This has to be one of the most idiotic articles I have ever read. I especially love the part about doctors and police only being able the fact. Wasn't this rant originally about God? Seriously, they are humans. Unless there is some mysterious crystal ball shoved up their butt, how else are they to know in advance that some freak act is about to happen. If you are so against this country and its beliefs, I welcome you to leave. Try finding it anywhere better on this beautiful planet.
Thank you for reading it sorry you didnt enjoy it as much as I did. Much of it made perfect sence to me, some of it didnt. What a terrible place it would be if we all were the same.

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Mon 01/26/09 05:36 PM

This has to be one of the most idiotic articles I have ever read. I especially love the part about doctors and police only being able the fact. Wasn't this rant originally about God? Seriously, they are humans. Unless there is some mysterious crystal ball shoved up their butt, how else are they to know in advance that some freak act is about to happen. If you are so against this country and its beliefs, I welcome you to leave. Try finding it anywhere better on this beautiful planet.


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Mon 01/26/09 05:38 PM


This has to be one of the most idiotic articles I have ever read. I especially love the part about doctors and police only being able the fact. Wasn't this rant originally about God? Seriously, they are humans. Unless there is some mysterious crystal ball shoved up their butt, how else are they to know in advance that some freak act is about to happen. If you are so against this country and its beliefs, I welcome you to leave. Try finding it anywhere better on this beautiful planet.


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Thank you for reading it sorry you didnt enjoy it as much as I did. Much of it made perfect sence to me, some of it didnt. What a terrible place it would be if we all were the same.

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Mon 01/26/09 08:20 PM

By Ted Twietmeyer
1-25-9
Biblically Hell is supposedly down deep in the Earth.


Our earth is still beautiful. There are people who desperately want to change the things we have done to our earth that almost always affect everyone in some way, so there are people focusing on making a difference, even while others stress out and give up.

We will always fight those who prefer to destroy rather than build, it's a fact of life and has always been. Individually we can still do our part locally, as well as contact our leaders to press for changes. We can roll up or sleeves or cover our heads and be depressed.

And what about we the people who did no prepared for lean times, we can blame ourselves as well. Lots of blame to go around...

Yes the economy folded, but we have been told for many many many years that we should consume less and save more and be prepared for times like this and we didn't listen because he had the same desires for power and excess that our leaders have. Our leaders are a mirror of ourselves, so we are all to blame, rich and poor and everyone in between shares 'some' bit of responsibility for condoning or contributing to the mess we find ourselves in. Some more than others, no doubt, but are we scared of the work it will take to fix things? I'm not.

We have been in worse times in history and we have pulled through and will again. I refuse to focus solely on the negative, though I am struggling along with everyone else, I am also cutting back as much as possible and changing those things in my own life that need changing...

We are in an uncomfortable position along with the rest of the world, but we are still better off than many in this world and we have the opportunity to do better, and do things smarter.

I see families starting to change their attitudes toward each other and get closer and wiser, some will just wallow in self pity and never make changes. It's always been up to those who keep their wits about them that will move forward and not focus on the negative. Maybe we get what we envision, and I choose not to envision doom and gloom even though some days it's hard when for instance I visit here and see nothing but threads on how bad someone thinks things are going to be before they actually know what will be....

Maybe I am wrong, but I will go down fighting to change and for change.

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Mon 01/26/09 08:32 PM

Oh Yeah...with OBAMA & the DEMS in charge...you will be SCREAMING for Bush soon enough. laugh


I won't be screaming for Bush, any Bush ever...
I don't know how Obama will do, and I put blame on Democrats as well as Republicans who weren't paying attention like they should in the last 8 years...

Bush is out of office by the way, it's time to move forward even if we dislike who's there. If we could endure Bush you can endure Obama and hope he does well for all our sakes.

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Mon 01/26/09 08:33 PM
Well...it's not that I lack the understanding to say....the land is good...but life is tough. Human suffering is astounding & something we never had to really face in America. To think about it is humbling. It could happen to any of us. It's a reminder that we are frail & shouldn't take our freedoms or lives for granted.

We also had the good fortune to not have to deal with being attached like the countries of Europe. One bad apple there can reak havoc...we are insulated in so many ways here. Stalin...Hitler... they were all over there.

For myself, I like to think that if I do die...or fall into misfortune that I would have the grace to endure it. We all suffer... in some way. From my Christian perspective I will say this, whatever suffering I am going through at the moment is preparing me for something else. It may not be the same as someone being tortured but we can't compare. I am thinking that there is comfort in suffering because it stregthens my inner man in ways all the money in the world can't do.

Maybe...just maybe those of us who live more comfortably right now, if we go thru the present suffering it would save us from something far worse. That salvation could even extend to those around us etc etc.

I wonder what others think about that?

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Mon 01/26/09 09:13 PM

Oh Yeah...with OBAMA & the DEMS in charge...you will be SCREAMING for Bush soon enough. laugh

Never.noway

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Mon 01/26/09 09:32 PM
QuickStepper, while we sit in our warm homes playing on the computer others are starving and dieing everywhere. People are being layed off and losing their homes as we speak. You can bet they aren't where we are. I find no comfort in that at all. I could think of much better ways to prepare for something else...

So while you strengthen your inner man... (Man?) Your inner man? You lost me there...