Topic: Question about Oil
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Wed 03/18/09 06:44 PM
If Oil comes from dead dinosaurs, and plants. Why do we have to drill thousands of feet to reach it? Did dinosaurs live thousands of feet beneath the planets surface?

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Wed 03/18/09 06:45 PM
stuff gets buried over time

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Wed 03/18/09 06:49 PM

If Oil comes from dead dinosaurs, and plants. Why do we have to drill thousands of feet to reach it? Did dinosaurs live thousands of feet beneath the planets surface?
rofl rofl rofl maybe

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Wed 03/18/09 06:53 PM
Take a class on dinosaurs 101.

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Wed 03/18/09 06:56 PM

i dont know about all that ..but if i see a dinosaur i'm having him piss in my gas tank..cause if his azz turns to oil he must be pissin'gas....i hope its unleaded...noway

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Wed 03/18/09 06:59 PM
Edited by darkowl1 on Wed 03/18/09 07:06 PM
the oil reserves are from the cambrian, devonian and the pennsylvanian period, which were much much older. hence further down

the dinosaurs, are from the triassic, jurrasic, and cretacious, much later and in shale-rock, for shale surface oil

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Wed 03/18/09 07:01 PM
Edited by CircuitRider on Wed 03/18/09 07:06 PM

If Oil comes from dead dinosaurs, and plants. Why do we have to drill thousands of feet to reach it? Did dinosaurs live thousands of feet beneath the planets surface?



surprised noway

"Science" about to be re-written:


http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56480

and:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=45838

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Wed 03/18/09 07:05 PM


If Oil comes from dead dinosaurs, and plants. Why do we have to drill thousands of feet to reach it? Did dinosaurs live thousands of feet beneath the planets surface?



surprised noway

"Science" about to be re-written:


http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56480

and:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56480

slaphead



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!! spock Interesting!!!!!!!!

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Wed 03/18/09 07:07 PM



If Oil comes from dead dinosaurs, and plants. Why do we have to drill thousands of feet to reach it? Did dinosaurs live thousands of feet beneath the planets surface?



surprised noway

"Science" about to be re-written:


http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56480

and:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56480

slaphead



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!! spock Interesting!!!!!!!!




oops


Second one should have been:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=45838

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Wed 03/18/09 09:21 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Wed 03/18/09 09:27 PM




If Oil comes from dead dinosaurs, and plants. Why do we have to drill thousands of feet to reach it? Did dinosaurs live thousands of feet beneath the planets surface?



surprised noway

"Science" about to be re-written:


http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56480

and:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56480

slaphead



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!! spock Interesting!!!!!!!!




oops


Second one should have been:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=45838


Heard about this a while ago. According to some reports, oil actually "reproduced" at some areas known to be already pumped dry.

They tried to prove how it might have flown over from an undetected pool of oil not far through the cracks between rocks etc...but they soon proved "not" having any undetected oil pools nearby because they test drilled all around it.



Scientists proposing the abiotic theory of oil have argued that the "Fossil-Fuel" theory fundamentally violates the second law of thermodynamics, a principle which specifies that energy disperses when permitted, such that the energy flow never reverses. For example, consider that when you release the neck of a balloon the air escapes; the air never naturally rushes to concentrate into a balloon without being forced to do so. Thomas Gold stated the principle on page 46 of his 1998 book:

It would be surprising indeed if the Earth had obtained its hydrocarbons only from a source that biology had taken from another carbon-bearing gas – carbon dioxide – which would have been collected from the atmosphere by photo-synthesizing organisms for manufacture into carbohydrates and then somehow reworked by geology into hydrocarbons.

In other words, the "fossil fuel" from ancient flora or protoplasm would demand that somehow the air went back into the balloon, a reverse flow-of-energy direction contrary to the second law of thermodynamics. In other words, dead dinosaurs and ancient forests follow naturally the law of entropy, "dust into dust," not the re-energized "fossil fuel" notion of "dust into oil." We still lack the laboratory demonstrations authors such as Richard Heinberg claimed we would find. Has anyone ever taken a flask of downed flora or dead protoplasm and produced a hydrocarbon fuel out of the mixture, or is this a process for alchemy?


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47448

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Wed 03/18/09 09:46 PM
In regards to the second law of thermodynamics (the irreversibility):

Consider a human being. He lives his life, and then dies. Human body then can be used as a source of energy, quite simply, by burning it.

Correct?

Does this mean that the second law of thermodynamics has been broken?
No! During his life, the human had consumed a lot of energy from the system around it, and dispersed most of it back, mostly in forms with more entropy that those it was consumed in. What is left, the body, is only a 1 millionth part of the total energy that went through the body.

While total degree of entropy in the system has increased, at a particular point of the system, some was left concentrated in a form with lower degree of entropy that what was consumed.

Or, in other words, the transformation of some amount of energy with lowering it's entropy, did came at a price of rising the entropy for significantly higher amount of the energy.

With this consideration, I don't think that the second law of thermodynamics can be used as an argument against biotic oil.


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Wed 03/18/09 09:55 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Wed 03/18/09 09:55 PM

Consider a human being. He lives his life, and then dies. Human body then can be used as a source of energy, quite simply, by burning it.


Do you know how much energy needed to burn a human body? It will not burn by itself. Go by a big chunk of beef and try to set it on fire.

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Wed 03/18/09 10:28 PM


Do you know how much energy needed to burn a human body? It will not burn by itself. Go by a big chunk of beef and try to set it on fire.



Skeptic's Dictionary - http://skepdic.com/shc.html

The ignition point of human fat is low and to get the fire going would require an external source. Once ignited, however, a "wick effect" from the body's fat would burn hot enough in certain places to destroy even bones. To prove that a human being might burn like a candle, Dr. John de Haan of the California Criminalistic Institute wrapped a dead pig in a blanket, poured a small amount of gasoline on the blanket, and ignited it. Even the bones were destroyed after five hours of continuous burning. The fat content of a pig is very similar to the fat content of a human being. The damage to the pig, according to Dr. De Haan "is exactly the same as that from supposed spontaneous human combustion."

A National Geographic special on SHC showed a failed attempt to duplicate the burning pig experiment. However, it is obvious that the failure was due to leaving the door to the room open to the outside, which created a draft and led to the flames igniting everything in the room. Had the room been closed up, as are the rooms in which many of the elderly persons have died in fires attributed to SHC, it is likely that the pig would have smoldered for several hours without the rest of the room becoming engulfed in flames.


But, if the concept of human combustion is something you could not accept, consider a tree.

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Wed 03/18/09 10:36 PM

If Oil comes from dead dinosaurs, and plants. Why do we have to drill thousands of feet to reach it? Did dinosaurs live thousands of feet beneath the planets surface?


Actually, one of the theories gaining steam at present is that it's not dead animal material (dinosaurs, etc) that have turned into gasoline but dead PLANT material that had been reduced via decomposition under ever-packed layers of earthen sediment that have resulted in our dwindling oil supplies.

Think of it- there supposedly weren't that many in the way of dinosaurs on the planet millions of years ago, but there was a TREMENDOUS amount of foliage and plant life, which could be covered up via violent changes in climate.

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Sat 03/21/09 10:37 AM


If Oil comes from dead dinosaurs, and plants. Why do we have to drill thousands of feet to reach it? Did dinosaurs live thousands of feet beneath the planets surface?



surprised noway

"Science" about to be re-written:


http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56480

and:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=45838

slaphead





Interesting site....spock

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Sat 03/21/09 08:55 PM
I heard someone say that oil is unburned fuel from the core or the earth.Sounds like a good theory to me.

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Sat 03/21/09 08:56 PM
i have no clue....so i'm going to sit and learn. seeing how i'm from texas...i should know about it huh?

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Sat 03/21/09 09:25 PM
Geologists view crude oil and natural gas as the product of compression and heating of ancient organic materials (i.e. kerogen) over geological time. Formation of petroleum occurs from hydrocarbon pyrolysis, in a variety of mostly endothermic reactions at high temperature and/or pressure.[13] Today's oil formed from the preserved remains of prehistoric zooplankton and algae, which had settled to a sea or lake bottom in large quantities under anoxic conditions (the remains of prehistoric terrestrial plants, on the other hand, tended to form coal). Over geological time the organic matter mixed with mud, and was buried under heavy layers of sediment resulting in high levels of heat and pressure (known as diagenesis). This caused the organic matter to chemically change, first into a waxy material known as kerogen which is found in various oil shales around the world, and then with more heat into liquid and gaseous hydrocarbons in a process known as catagenesis.

Geologists often refer to the temperature range in which oil forms as an "oil window"[14]—below the minimum temperature oil remains trapped in the form of kerogen, and above the maximum temperature the oil is converted to natural gas through the process of thermal cracking. Although this temperature range is found at different depths below the surface throughout the world, a typical depth for the oil window is 4–6 km. Sometimes, oil which is formed at extreme depths may migrate and become trapped at much shallower depths than where it was formed. The Athabasca Oil Sands is one example of this.

-wiki

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Sun 03/22/09 11:53 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Sun 03/22/09 11:57 AM

stuff gets buried over time



the oil reserves are from the cambrian, devonian and the pennsylvanian period, which were much much older. hence further down

the dinosaurs, are from the triassic, jurrasic, and cretacious, much later and in shale-rock, for shale surface oil



Geologists view crude oil and natural gas as the product of compression and heating of ancient organic materials (i.e. kerogen) over geological time. Formation of petroleum occurs from hydrocarbon pyrolysis, in a variety of mostly endothermic reactions at high temperature and/or pressure.[13] Today's oil formed from the preserved remains of prehistoric zooplankton and algae, which had settled to a sea or lake bottom in large quantities under anoxic conditions (the remains of prehistoric terrestrial plants, on the other hand, tended to form coal). Over geological time the organic matter mixed with mud, and was buried under heavy layers of sediment resulting in high levels of heat and pressure (known as diagenesis). This caused the organic matter to chemically change, first into a waxy material known as kerogen which is found in various oil shales around the world, and then with more heat into liquid and gaseous hydrocarbons in a process known as catagenesis.

Geologists often refer to the temperature range in which oil forms as an "oil window"[14]—below the minimum temperature oil remains trapped in the form of kerogen, and above the maximum temperature the oil is converted to natural gas through the process of thermal cracking. Although this temperature range is found at different depths below the surface throughout the world, a typical depth for the oil window is 4–6 km. Sometimes, oil which is formed at extreme depths may migrate and become trapped at much shallower depths than where it was formed. The Athabasca Oil Sands is one example of this.

-wiki



If Oil comes from dead dinosaurs, and plants. Why do we have to drill thousands of feet to reach it? Did dinosaurs live thousands of feet beneath the planets surface?


Actually, one of the theories gaining steam at present is that it's not dead animal material (dinosaurs, etc) that have turned into gasoline but dead PLANT material that had been reduced via decomposition under ever-packed layers of earthen sediment that have resulted in our dwindling oil supplies.

Think of it- there supposedly weren't that many in the way of dinosaurs on the planet millions of years ago, but there was a TREMENDOUS amount of foliage and plant life, which could be covered up via violent changes in climate.
I am glad a few people in this post have a clue.

Circuit, here is a clue. Dont get your news from World Net Daily.

Junk science is junk. Old ideas that have been tossed aside (after being tested or reviewed) as garbage = garbage science.

No offense, but when I was in school this was pretty well regarded as old news.

The whole Dino diesel that is pretty funny however.