Do we have to wait and watch other countries do what we should be doing out of our own conscience?

We need to burn the Bush for our own credibility's sake!!


Spanish judge opens Guantanamo investigation


MADRID – Spain's top investigative magistrate opened an investigation into the Bush administration Wednesday over alleged torture of terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay.

Judge Baltasar Garzon said documents declassified by the new U.S. government suggest the practice was systematic.

Garzon said he was acting under Spain's observance of the principle of universal justice, which allows crimes allegedly committed in other countries to be prosecuted in Spain.

Garzon's move is separate from a complaint by human rights lawyers that seeks charges against six specific Bush administration officials they accuse of creating a legal framework to permit torture of suspects at Guantanamo Bay and other U.S. detention facilities.

Spanish prosecutors on April 17 said any such probe should be carried out by the U.S. and recommended against it being launched in Spain. Garzon originally had that case, but ultimately it was transferred to another judge.

Now, Garzon is opening a probe into "possible material authors" of torture, accomplices and those who gave torture orders, although he does not name anyone specifically.

In a 10-page writ, he said documents on Bush-era treatment of prisoners, recently declassified by the Obama administration, "reveal what had been just an intuition: an authorized and systematic plan of torture and mistreatment of person denied freedom without any charge whatsoever and without the rights enjoyed by any detainee."

Garzon cited media accounts of the documents and said he would ask the U.S. to send the documents to him.

He said he is also acting on the basis of accounts by four former Guantanamo inmates who have alleged in Spanish courts that they were tortured at that U.S. prison in eastern Cuba.

All four were once accused of belonging to a Spanish al-Qaida cell but eventually cleared of the accusations. One is a Spanish citizen, another is a Moroccan citizen who has lived in Spain for more than a decade and the other two are residents of Britain.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090429/ap_on_re_eu/eu_spain_us_torture

Fer one, who knows how many Politicians holding seats today might be implicated.
On the other hand, might be a good idea to clean the house.

How about credibility, reliability, trust, quilt by compliance, assurance, Justice, and America's reputation?

have you check the reputation around the world

and actually it will more than likely improve by the cooperation with world court more so than if the united states did the investigation its self

kinda like when the police in your town handles the wrongful death case when someone is shoot by the police in your town

it brings better respect to have an outside source do the investigating less chance of corrupting the investigation (unless you thing the u s can buy of spain and any other country involved)

but if the u s does the investigation and finds no fault then the reputation drops even further

but hey

what do i know

If we are truly a Gov of The People, then arent we irresponsible not to burn the Bush?

After all we did elect him.
We trusted him to represent us.

And those politicians that supported him. Fair is fair.

The issue or universal or international jurisdiction is an interesting one. It is a complex tangle that countries seem to struggle with changes in their individual governments and circumstances along with world changes.

I think it is clear that Spain has an interest in this issue. Five were after all Spanish citizens.

Here is an interesting article that folks should consider reading regarding this issue. I hope you find it helpful when thinking about this issue.

http://www.casavaria.com/cafesentido/2009/04/23/2317/bolton-asserts-only-the-us-has-international-jurisdiction/

If you think any of those (credibility, reliability, trust, assurance) things actually won a war, you need to read un-revised history. Thats all great for us...here n the US as citizens. But it just doesn't work in the global context. What wars have we WON in your time...and how? The 1st Iraq war...by going in there and wasting everyone that stood in our way. Now, what wars can you say that we have lost..and why. Somalia, Vietnam, Afghanistan, the last Iraq war? We have not won them. The first two we gave up on because it would have required what won Iraq 1. And make no mistake..we ARE at war with Extremist Muslims..and we ARE losing with this Mr Nice Guy strategy. Tell me where Im factually wrong.

Why do we have to wait and watch other countries do what we should be doing out of our own conscience?