Topic: Every question has at least 4 answers.
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Sat 07/04/09 02:17 PM
There is no doubt that the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle was a rare genius. Not only did he bring rigor and clarity to every discipline he touched, but he also invented whole new disciplines. One of the intellectual tools he uses in this endeavor is called "the four causes." For any "why" question you might ask about a thinge, he argues, there are four sorts of answer, foru explanatory causes of that thing, which can be identified.

To borrow Aristotle's example, we can answer the question, "Why is that a statue?" in four different ways.

We can say (1) it's a statue because it is made of the stuff statues are made of, maybe bronze or stone(its material cause.

We can say (2) it's a statue because that is the kind of thing it is (its formal cause).

We can say (3) it's a statue because it was made by a sculptor (its efficient cause).

We can say (4) it is a statue because it is doing waht statues are supposed to do - maybe it is decorating a room (its final cause).

To know the four causes is to know not only the physical facts of a thing, but also to understand its point and purpose.

As you can see, Aristotle liked to give very complete answers - every question had at least four.


And just for extended thought let us understand that what we are thinking now can be different many generations later (adding) more knowledge to something that we have seen as before.

It's not only statues but also natural objects that have points and purposes, according to Aristotle. The purpose of an acorn, for example, is to become an oak tree. If you don't know that, you don't understand an acorn, or so Aristotle thought. It took 2000 years of thinking of another rare genius, Charles Darwin to take us beyond seeing Aristotelian purposes everywhere.

What are your four answers to this? laugh drinker

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Sat 07/04/09 02:21 PM
no there arnt
ok maybe there is
well, so people say
oh, i just dont know now

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Sat 07/04/09 02:41 PM

no there arnt
ok maybe there is
well, so people say
oh, i just dont know now



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Sat 07/04/09 03:19 PM
The purpose of an acorn, for example, is to become an oak tree. If you don't know that, you don't understand an acorn, or so Aristotle thought.


I always thought the purpose of an acorn was to provide food for the squirrels and oak trees are just a method by which acorns replenish themselves.

I wonder why Aristotle would think that the purpose of an acorn is to become an oak tree?

Isn't it obvious that the purpose of an oak tree is to produce acorns?

I think Aristole was just biased about size. He gave the oak tree more clout than the acorn because the oak tree is bigger. ohwell

Such unfair predjudice. grumble

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Sun 07/05/09 09:45 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 07/05/09 09:49 PM
If the purpose of an acorn is to become an oak tree, then most acorns do not fulfill their purpose.

If every single acorn did fulfill its purpose there would be too many oak trees. The abundance of acorns serve another purpose. That is, as James said, to feed animals.

Ask any squirrel and he will tell you that the purpose of an oak tree is to feed and house his family.

The reason for this final conclusion is because life evolves (spiritually) from mineral, to plant, to animal. Animals being a higher life form. It is the purpose of lower life forms to be used by higher life forms. A higher life form is one that is more capable of complex thinking processes.


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Sun 07/05/09 11:28 PM

If the purpose of an acorn is to become an oak tree, then most acorns do not fulfill their purpose.

If every single acorn did fulfill its purpose there would be too many oak trees. The abundance of acorns serve another purpose. That is, as James said, to feed animals.

Ask any squirrel and he will tell you that the purpose of an oak tree is to feed and house his family.

The reason for this final conclusion is because life evolves (spiritually) from mineral, to plant, to animal. Animals being a higher life form. It is the purpose of lower life forms to be used by higher life forms. A higher life form is one that is more capable of complex thinking processes.


bigsmile I concurbigsmile

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Sun 07/05/09 11:36 PM
Edited by earthytaurus76 on Sun 07/05/09 11:43 PM
The final answer might be nobody gives a ****.

the first answer is usually i dont care.

I really dont give a ****.

I was thinking about putting an answer, but I totally forgot the subject.

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Sun 07/05/09 11:48 PM

The final answer might be nobody gives a ****.

the first answer is usually i dont care.

I really dont give a ****.

I was thinking about putting an answer, but I totally forgot the subject.
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Mon 07/06/09 12:00 AM
We did this in elementary school with the four sentences. I hated it then.

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Mon 07/06/09 12:02 AM

We did this in elementary school with the four sentences. I hated it then.
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Mon 07/06/09 08:10 AM

There is no doubt that the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle was a rare genius. Not only did he bring rigor and clarity to every discipline he touched, but he also invented whole new disciplines. One of the intellectual tools he uses in this endeavor is called "the four causes." For any "why" question you might ask about a thinge, he argues, there are four sorts of answer, foru explanatory causes of that thing, which can be identified.

To borrow Aristotle's example, we can answer the question, "Why is that a statue?" in four different ways.

We can say (1) it's a statue because it is made of the stuff statues are made of, maybe bronze or stone(its material cause.

We can say (2) it's a statue because that is the kind of thing it is (its formal cause).

We can say (3) it's a statue because it was made by a sculptor (its efficient cause).

We can say (4) it is a statue because it is doing waht statues are supposed to do - maybe it is decorating a room (its final cause).

To know the four causes is to know not only the physical facts of a thing, but also to understand its point and purpose.

As you can see, Aristotle liked to give very complete answers - every question had at least four.


And just for extended thought let us understand that what we are thinking now can be different many generations later (adding) more knowledge to something that we have seen as before.

It's not only statues but also natural objects that have points and purposes, according to Aristotle. The purpose of an acorn, for example, is to become an oak tree. If you don't know that, you don't understand an acorn, or so Aristotle thought. It took 2000 years of thinking of another rare genius, Charles Darwin to take us beyond seeing Aristotelian purposes everywhere.

What are your four answers to this? laugh drinker


Point and purpose requires a perspective.

Alliteration is fun.

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Mon 07/06/09 11:00 AM
What I find compelling about Aristotle is that his reasoning on various questions we asked then and still ask today had a answer that most people at the time agreed with. It wasn't until much later that some of the questions such as the purpose of a acorn had more answers for people to agree with as mentioned with Charles Darwin.

What other purposes can a 'acorn' have 2000 years from today?

This is where creativity is in play as we can clearly see from the last posts posted.

Thank you for your inputdrinker