Topic: A heartfelt proposal to the community
wux's photo
Sun 08/23/09 09:01 AM
I would like to propose that we, atheists and agnostics, non-believers and heathens, stay away from the General Religion Chat forum.

This I say because it must be bugging the Religionists that we infiltrate their site, and they have to spend their energies arguing with us. Maybe most of them do not like and do not enjoy that. Maybe the Religionists would like to have a peaceful and quiet place to discuss their issues that only they understand and enjoy discussing.

While I am not trying to make it into a segregational site by philosophy, I admit that I don't want Jehova's Witnesses in my home, or biker groups, or Raquel Welsh begging me to extend my sexual favours to her.

I am trying to say that any person, family, community and nation should have its own internal management left up to that unit. Furthermore, that each unit of community, from person to nation, should have a sanctuary where they can rest and feel relaxed. If we, the non-religious and the non-believers keep coming here and keep attacking the discussions of the Religionists, while it cannot be legally stopped, I think we should stop doing that anyway, if not for anything but for doing the proper thing that our respective mothers old us: Behave, my son/daugher, don't bully, don't smell bad, don't push the other kids down, don't bite the bloodhound protecting the kindergarterbelt, etc.

Maybe those who know how to talk to the organizer should ask him/her/them to open a third forum in this religion/atheism section, I don't to be called what, where two camps, the non-blievers and the theists, can meet and compare their own strength in debate to that in the other camp.

In other words, I realized I was rude in coming here and causing havoc. I hope never to do that again, because it is not fair to the spirit of "safe haven" that I believe this forum is supposed to be for theists and the religious and the believers.

And we should let these people in peace even if they decry in their discussions things that are close to our, atheists', hearts, such as evolution, or anything else.

Leave the religionists and theists and believers in peace, I implore and beseech the atheists.

coz1976's photo
Sun 08/23/09 09:20 AM
yep,nothing to argue about.shouldn't be a hater:banana:

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Sun 08/23/09 09:35 AM
Like Atheists and Agnostics, every religion has its own forum.

General Religion Chat is for all of us to discuss matters with other religions, beliefs, or non-beliefs.

There is no reason to stay away from here, for none of you.

flowerforyou

Quietman_2009's photo
Sun 08/23/09 09:46 AM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Sun 08/23/09 09:47 AM
instead of a seperate forum it would just be nice to respect each others threads and beliefs

if a person makes a thread postulating that death is the end of conciousness and there is no afterlife. Why should someone feel compelled to come in and start preaching that the only way is through Jesus? Its obviously off topic

and if someone makes a thread about how happy they are in their relationship with God, why does someone feel compelled to jump in and start ranting about people's imaginary friends?

just don't always feel obligated to shat on someone else's parade and we'll get along fine

just leave certain threads alone

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Sun 08/23/09 09:55 AM
but I am just a simple humanitarian. I belong to everyone's conscious one way or another.

May you find knowledge in finding a path that makes you most happy and those around you. flowerforyou

Eljay's photo
Sun 08/23/09 11:26 AM

I would like to propose that we, atheists and agnostics, non-believers and heathens, stay away from the General Religion Chat forum.

This I say because it must be bugging the Religionists that we infiltrate their site, and they have to spend their energies arguing with us. Maybe most of them do not like and do not enjoy that. Maybe the Religionists would like to have a peaceful and quiet place to discuss their issues that only they understand and enjoy discussing.

While I am not trying to make it into a segregational site by philosophy, I admit that I don't want Jehova's Witnesses in my home, or biker groups, or Raquel Welsh begging me to extend my sexual favours to her.

I am trying to say that any person, family, community and nation should have its own internal management left up to that unit. Furthermore, that each unit of community, from person to nation, should have a sanctuary where they can rest and feel relaxed. If we, the non-religious and the non-believers keep coming here and keep attacking the discussions of the Religionists, while it cannot be legally stopped, I think we should stop doing that anyway, if not for anything but for doing the proper thing that our respective mothers old us: Behave, my son/daugher, don't bully, don't smell bad, don't push the other kids down, don't bite the bloodhound protecting the kindergarterbelt, etc.

Maybe those who know how to talk to the organizer should ask him/her/them to open a third forum in this religion/atheism section, I don't to be called what, where two camps, the non-blievers and the theists, can meet and compare their own strength in debate to that in the other camp.

In other words, I realized I was rude in coming here and causing havoc. I hope never to do that again, because it is not fair to the spirit of "safe haven" that I believe this forum is supposed to be for theists and the religious and the believers.

And we should let these people in peace even if they decry in their discussions things that are close to our, atheists', hearts, such as evolution, or anything else.

Leave the religionists and theists and believers in peace, I implore and beseech the atheists.


But this is the section for Atheists and non-believers. Because those are misnomers to begin with. Just terms to redefine believing in oneself as a religion.

So - come in here and say whatever you like.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sun 08/23/09 11:36 AM
I am not religious, I continuously work on my spirituality. I also work on being tolerant, allowing of others beliefs... I do have some difficulty when I am told.. "I will pray for you, that God will show you the truth, the truth shall set you free".
I pray for myself and seek my own truth.. it is a very personal journey, and feel it is an intrusion for others to speak to me in such a condescending manner.

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Sun 08/23/09 12:16 PM

instead of a seperate forum it would just be nice to respect each others threads and beliefs

if a person makes a thread postulating that death is the end of conciousness and there is no afterlife. Why should someone feel compelled to come in and start preaching that the only way is through Jesus? Its obviously off topic

and if someone makes a thread about how happy they are in their relationship with God, why does someone feel compelled to jump in and start ranting about people's imaginary friends?

just don't always feel obligated to shat on someone else's parade and we'll get along fine

just leave certain threads alone



AMEN

metalwing's photo
Sun 08/23/09 12:31 PM
I have seen a lot of threads were someone will express a belief and perhaps discuss it at length with others, then someone jumps in for the sole purpose of trying to make the belief look stupid or just to be mean. I have seen threads started by someone under the pretense of examination of a "topic" that the OP actually had no interest in, they just wanted the opportunity to trash either the topic or the posters. Not only is this mean, it is intellectual dishonesty.

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Sun 08/23/09 12:39 PM
What's wrong with biker groups?

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Sun 08/23/09 12:54 PM
Wux, isolationism never works. Without discourse of opposing philosophies, opinions, veiwpoints and beliefs, misunderstandings tend to fester and grow. With unhappy results. History is repleat with examples of this.
This is a safe place for those discussions. I would say that the operators of this web site would tend to agree because they allow avowed non-believers access to this channel.
I would furthur say that anyone who is bothered by people of opposing viewpoints ect., posting here are most likely unhappy or worried, at some level, with the strength of their arguments.

tohyup's photo
Sun 08/23/09 12:59 PM
I think that any comment made in public is open to scrutiny including religion . No one is immune from criticism . Also it is well known fact that people learn from one another . Debating issues make me realize how right or how wrong I am . I used to argue that the US would never accept a black man with a Muslim father to be their president but look how wrong I was !!!.

Quietman_2009's photo
Sun 08/23/09 01:16 PM
and then some people just want to argue over anything and call it "debate"

actually a LOT of people


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Sun 08/23/09 01:19 PM

I think that any comment made in public is open to scrutiny including religion . No one is immune from criticism . Also it is well known fact that people learn from one another . Debating issues make me realize how right or how wrong I am . I used to argue that the US would never accept a black man with a Muslim father to be their president but look how wrong I was !!!.


drinker

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Sun 08/23/09 01:20 PM

and then some people just want to argue over anything and call it "debate"

actually a LOT of people




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