Topic: Poll reveals depth and trauma of joblessness
Atlantis75's photo
Tue 12/15/09 07:36 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Tue 12/15/09 07:37 PM
How about a thread about a real issue instead of these endles flood of political partisan bickering that just never stops? Republican democrat republican democrat, bush, obama, bush, obama, liberal, conservative, liberal, conservative.

It just won't end here! You guys are tearing each other hair out while the entire country sinks away like the Titanic. Despicable. rant




Poll reveals depth and trauma of joblessness



More than half of the nation’s unemployed workers have borrowed money from friends or relatives since losing their jobs. An equal number have cut back on doctor visits or medical treatments because they are out of work.

Almost half have suffered from depression or anxiety . About 4 in 10 parents have noticed behavioral changes in their children that they attribute to their difficulties in finding work.

Joblessness has wreaked financial and emotional havoc on the lives of many of those out of work, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll of unemployed adults, causing major life changes, mental health issues and trouble maintaining even basic necessities.
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The results of the poll, which surveyed 708 unemployed adults from Dec. 5 to Dec. 10 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus four percentage points, help to lay bare the depth of the trauma experienced by millions across the country who are out of work as the jobless rate hovers at 10 percent and, in particular, as the ranks of the long-term unemployed soar.

Roughly half of the respondents described the recession as a hardship that had caused fundamental changes in their lives. Generally, those who have been out of work longer reported experiencing more acute financial and emotional effects.

“I lost my job in March, and from there on, everything went downhill,” said Vicky Newton, 38, of Mount Pleasant, Mich., a single mother who had been a customer-service representative in an insurance agency.

“After struggling and struggling and not being able to pay my house payments or my other bills, I finally sucked up my pride,” she said in an interview after the poll was conducted. “I got food stamps just to help feed my daughter.”

Foreclosure woes
Over the summer, she abandoned her home in Flint, Mich., after she started receiving foreclosure notices. She now lives 90 minutes away, in a rental house owned by her father.

With unemployment driving foreclosures nationwide, a quarter of those polled said they had either lost their home or been threatened with foreclosure or eviction for not paying their mortgage or rent. About a quarter, like Ms. Newton, have received food stamps. More than half said they had cut back on both luxuries and necessities in their spending. Seven in 10 rated their family’s financial situation as fairly bad or very bad.

But the impact on their lives was not limited to the difficulty in paying bills. Almost half said unemployment had led to more conflicts or arguments with family members and friends; 55 percent have suffered from insomnia .

“Everything gets touched,” said Colleen Klemm, 51, of North Lake, Wis., who lost her job as a manager at a landscaping company last November. “All your relationships are touched by it. You’re never your normal happy-go-lucky person. Your countenance, your self-esteem goes. You think, ‘I’m not employable.’ ”

A quarter of those who experienced anxiety or depression said they had gone to see a mental health professional. Women were significantly more likely than men to acknowledge emotional issues.

Tammy Linville, 29, of Louisville, Ky., said she lost her job as a clerical worker for the Census Bureau a year and a half ago. She began seeing a therapist for depression every week through Medicaid but recently has not been able to go because her car broke down and she cannot afford to fix it.

Her partner works at the Ford plant in the area, but his schedule has been sporadic. They have two small children and at this point, she said, they are “saving quarters for diapers.”

Shame, embarrassment
“Every time I think about money, I shut down because there is none,” Ms. Linville said. “I get major panic attacks . I just don’t know what we’re going to do.”

Nearly half of the adults surveyed admitted to feeling embarrassed or ashamed most of the time or sometimes as a result of being out of work. Perhaps unsurprisingly, given the traditional image of men as breadwinners, men were significantly more likely than women to report feeling ashamed most of the time.




There was a pervasive sense from the poll that the American dream had been upended for many. Nearly half of those polled said they felt in danger of falling out of their social class, with those out of work six months or more feeling especially vulnerable. Working-class respondents felt at risk in the greatest numbers.

Nearly half of respondents said they did not have health insurance , with the vast majority citing job loss as a reason, a notable finding given the tug of war in Congress over a health care overhaul. The poll offered a glimpse of the potential ripple effect of having no coverage. More than half characterized the cost of basic medical care as a hardship.

Many in the ranks of the unemployed appear to be rethinking their career and life choices. Just over 40 percent said they had moved or considered moving to another part of the state or country where there were more jobs. More than two-thirds of respondents had considered changing their career or field, and 44 percent of those surveyed had pursued job retraining or other educational opportunities.

Joe Whitlow, 31, of Nashville, worked as a mechanic until a repair shop he was running with a friend finally petered out in August. He had contemplated going back to school before, but the potential loss in income always deterred him. Now he is enrolled at a local community college, planning to study accounting.

“When everything went bad, not that I didn’t have a choice, but it made the choice easier,” Mr. Whitlow said.

Formal, informal safety net
The poll also shed light on the formal and informal safety nets that the jobless have relied upon. More than half said they were receiving or had received unemployment benefits. But 61 percent of those receiving benefits said the amount was not enough to cover basic necessities.

Meanwhile, a fifth said they had received food from a nonprofit organization or religious institution. Among those with a working spouse, half said their spouse had taken on additional hours or another job to help make ends meet.

Even those who have stayed employed have not escaped the recession’s bite. According to a New York Times/CBS News nationwide poll conducted at the same time as the poll of unemployed adults, about 3 in 10 people said that in the past year, as a result of bad economic conditions, their pay had been cut.

In terms of casting blame for the high unemployment rate, 26 percent of unemployed adults cited former President George W. Bush ; 12 percent pointed the finger at banks; 8 percent highlighted jobs going overseas and the same number blamed politicians. Only 3 percent blamed President Obama .

Those out of work were split, however, on the president’s handling of job creation, with 47 percent expressing approval and 44 percent disapproval.

Unemployed Americans are divided over what the future holds for the job market: 39 percent anticipate improvement, 36 percent expect it will stay the same, and 22 percent say it will get worse.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34428644/ns/business-the_new_york_times

Dragoness's photo
Tue 12/15/09 07:41 PM
Yea, we were told to hunker down when Obama first came into office. It has been a rough rough ride. We will not know if Obama's attempts to help were helpful until sometime next year.

The unemployed that I know are really having a hard time finding new employment. They are losing their cars and apartments and stuff.

I sure hope that the attempts to help from this administration do what they were intended to do.

I sure do hope that future presidents in Bush's position will consider what they do to the people with their actions or non actions.

We are paying for Bush's mismanagement now and will still for a few years to come.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 12/15/09 07:50 PM
It's Just A Mental Recession!

:wink:

Dragoness's photo
Tue 12/15/09 07:51 PM

It's Just A Mental Recession!

:wink:


So I heard.

It sure feels real.slaphead

Fanta46's photo
Tue 12/15/09 08:04 PM
Wall Street has recovered.
Many Corporations have also. Yet they continue to push hard at under maned employment forces with outrages costs in overtime while refusing to hire back employees who have been laid off.

Why?

I think they purposely opposing Obama.
They know he is planning on reversing the tax-cuts made to them by the Bush Admin and penalizing them for outsourcing American jobs.
His Admin has already struck down on their many overseas tax evasion havens.

I think they are working with their colleagues, The Republican Party, to draw anger towards the Obama Admin by slowing the recovery!

The question is, How long can they keep it up?
Many of my friends who still have their jobs are working 80 plus hour weeks. They're tired and burnt out and telling me orders are till running late.

Atlantis75's photo
Tue 12/15/09 10:04 PM

Wall Street has recovered.
Many Corporations have also. Yet they continue to push hard at under maned employment forces with outrages costs in overtime while refusing to hire back employees who have been laid off.

Why?

I think they purposely opposing Obama.
They know he is planning on reversing the tax-cuts made to them by the Bush Admin and penalizing them for outsourcing American jobs.
His Admin has already struck down on their many overseas tax evasion havens.

I think they are working with their colleagues, The Republican Party, to draw anger towards the Obama Admin by slowing the recovery!

The question is, How long can they keep it up?
Many of my friends who still have their jobs are working 80 plus hour weeks. They're tired and burnt out and telling me orders are till running late.


You're completely wrong. This isn't a republican/dem issue or Obama/Bush stuff.

The bubble has been growing for a long time now and it exploded just during the 2008 election cycle.
Blame Bush or Blame Obama, also blame Clinton, Bush senior, Reagan and the rest for letting it go on and just keep piling up.

The economic recession is essentially a giant ponzi scheme exploding to the surface, Madoff style, but the entire federal reserve and the government is responsible.

Quietman_2009's photo
Tue 12/15/09 10:11 PM


You're completely wrong. This isn't a republican/dem issue or Obama/Bush stuff.

The bubble has been growing for a long time now and it exploded just during the 2008 election cycle.
Blame Bush or Blame Obama, also blame Clinton, Bush senior, Reagan and the rest for letting it go on and just keep piling up.


I agree with that

but I blame the American people just as much

we've been financing a champagne lifestyle on a cheap beer budget and financing it all at 15% interest and it all catched up

you can't buy a $300,000 home on a $50k a year salary and be surprised when you can't pay for it

Atlantis75's photo
Tue 12/15/09 10:20 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Tue 12/15/09 10:21 PM



You're completely wrong. This isn't a republican/dem issue or Obama/Bush stuff.

The bubble has been growing for a long time now and it exploded just during the 2008 election cycle.
Blame Bush or Blame Obama, also blame Clinton, Bush senior, Reagan and the rest for letting it go on and just keep piling up.


I agree with that

but I blame the American people just as much

we've been financing a champagne lifestyle on a cheap beer budget and financing it all at 15% interest and it all catched up

you can't buy a $300,000 home on a $50k a year salary and be surprised when you can't pay for it


The worst thing is though...let's say me and my brother (true story) saving and inheriting some cash and put it into a house that we were paying just fine. (and actually putting down 17% as down payment!)

Then the Mortgage company (Wachovia) goes bankrupt and another buys it up and puts us on a adjustable interest rate and meanwhile my brother is in college, and I loose my clients (being self employed) due to them being struck by various financial problems and don't need my services anymore, so I have to look for another job, which pays half as much and meanwhile the mortgage company begins to raise the interest, because they bought up a giant debt with interest by taking over Wachovia.

And I'm sure I'm not the only person with such a story.

no photo
Wed 12/16/09 06:54 AM
Edited by crickstergo on Wed 12/16/09 07:02 AM

It's Just A Mental Recession!

:wink:



I like this one better......

Over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.

The wisdom of our president....

no photo
Wed 12/16/09 06:59 AM

Wall Street has recovered.
Many Corporations have also. Yet they continue to push hard at under maned employment forces with outrages costs in overtime while refusing to hire back employees who have been laid off.

Why?

I think they purposely opposing Obama.
They know he is planning on reversing the tax-cuts made to them by the Bush Admin and penalizing them for outsourcing American jobs.
His Admin has already struck down on their many overseas tax evasion havens.

I think they are working with their colleagues, The Republican Party, to draw anger towards the Obama Admin by slowing the recovery!

The question is, How long can they keep it up?
Many of my friends who still have their jobs are working 80 plus hour weeks. They're tired and burnt out and telling me orders are till running late.


Wall Street has NOT RECOVERED ....it's 3500 points down still. Small businesses will provide the jobs when the dems create an environment where entrepeneurs can KNOW what the h*ll the consequences of Obama and Congress's reforms will be. Until then, no Jobs.

HuckleberryFinn's photo
Wed 12/16/09 08:22 AM
Edited by HuckleberryFinn on Wed 12/16/09 08:23 AM
take away the remedial fast food jobs, the remedial department store jobs and the unemployment rate is about 55%. Notice to america, what little money you have is now and gonna continuie to be sucked dry by higher taxes and the continual rising cost of basic daily needs, our economy is hanging on by a thread and will only get worse as the days pass, keep believing some savior is coming with a plan to save everything you've worked for, there's only one sure cure for all of this, take it back to the sixties and take this country back by force, before they sell off so much of it there won't be anything left to take back.....people are so gullible delving in the political realm when there's only one word to describe a politician....LIAR

willing2's photo
Wed 12/16/09 08:27 AM
New Orleans still has plenty of work rebuilding. Just too bad those jobs are reserved for Illegals.

BTW. Just heard San Fransisco passed an ordinance prhibiting Law Enforcement to notify ICE when they apprehend a criminal Illegal.