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Topic: The Love Of Ignorance
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Sat 08/21/10 07:31 PM
Philosophy means the love of knowledge. The closest I came to finding something on the love of ignorance is the phrase, "Ignorance is bliss". In reading about Socrates and looking at the bust of Socrates to me he just doesn't look that blissful. I guess his quote, "I know that I know nothing."; Just seems to back this up. It just seems that ignorance upset him and he had trouble dealing with it. Maybe it just me.

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Sat 08/21/10 07:34 PM
Socrates had 'roids ...

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Sat 08/21/10 07:43 PM
Oh. That explains it then.

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Sat 08/21/10 07:44 PM
I have experience times when knowledge was bliss. I don't think that just ignorance is blissful.

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Sat 08/21/10 07:45 PM
Roids can really hurt.

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Sat 08/21/10 07:54 PM
Ignorance is its own punishment ... Preparation H is its own reward ...

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Sat 08/21/10 07:54 PM
I learned a new word, today; Neologism. No, its not a bowel movement caused by roids. In psychiatry, the term neologism is used to describe the use of words that only have meaning to the person who uses them, independent of their common meaning.:smile:

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Sat 08/21/10 07:55 PM

Ignorance is its own punishment ... Preparation H is its own reward ...


Amen.:smile:

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Sat 08/21/10 08:59 PM

I learned a new word, today; Neologism. No, its not a bowel movement caused by roids. In psychiatry, the term neologism is used to describe the use of words that only have meaning to the person who uses them, independent of their common meaning.:smile:


That is actually really interesting, to me at least.

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Sun 08/22/10 05:49 AM


I learned a new word, today; Neologism. No, its not a bowel movement caused by roids. In psychiatry, the term neologism is used to describe the use of words that only have meaning to the person who uses them, independent of their common meaning.:smile:


That is actually really interesting, to me at least.


A neologism (pronounced /niˈɒlədʒɪzəm/); from Greek νέος (neos 'new') + λόγος (logos 'speech') is a newly coined word or phrase that may be in the process of entering common use, but has not yet been accepted into mainstream language. Neologisms are often directly attributable to a specific person, publication, period, or event. According to Oxford English Dictionary the term neologism was first used in print in 1483.

In theology, a neologism is a relatively new doctrine (for example, rationalism). In this sense, a neologist is one who proposes either a new doctrine or a new interpretation of source material such as religious texts.

Neologisms are often created by combining existing words (see compound noun and adjective) or by giving words new and unique suffixes or prefixes. Portmanteaux are combined words that begin to be used commonly. Neologisms also can be created through abbreviation or acronym, by intentionally rhyming with existing words or simply through playing with sounds.

Neologisms can become popular through memetics, by way of mass media, the Internet, and word of mouth, including academic discourse in many fields renowned for their use of distinctive jargon, and often become accepted parts of the language. Other times, however, they disappear from common use just as readily as they appeared. Whether a neologism continues as part of the language depends on many factors, probably the most important of which is acceptance by the public. It is unusual, however, for a word to enter common use if it does not resemble another word or words in an identifiable way.

When a word or phrase is no longer "new", it is no longer a neologism. Neologisms may take decades to become "old", however. Opinions differ on exactly how old a word must be to cease being considered a neologism.

Many neologisms have come from popular literature and tend to appear in different forms. Most commonly, they are simply taken from a word used in the narrative of a book; a few representative examples are: "grok" (to achieve complete intuitive understanding), from Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein; "McJob", from Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture by Douglas Coupland; "cyberspace", from Neuromancer by William Gibson; "nymphet" from Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov.

Sometimes the title of a book becomes the neologism, for instance, Catch-22 (from the title of Joseph Heller's novel). Alternately, the author's name may become the neologism, although the term is sometimes based on only one work of that author. This includes such words as "Orwellian" (from George Orwell, referring to his novel Nineteen Eighty-Four) and "Ballardesque" or "Ballardian" (from J.G. Ballard, author of Crash). The word "sadistic" is derived from the cruel sexual practices Marquis de Sade described in his novels. Kurt Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle was the container of the Bokononism family of nonce words.

Another category is words derived from famous characters in literature, such as quixotic (referring to the titular character in Don Quixote de la Mancha by Cervantes), a scrooge (from the main character in Dickens's A Christmas Carol), or a pollyanna (from Eleanor H. Porter's book of the same name). James Joyce's Finnegans Wake, composed in a uniquely complex linguistic style, coined the words monomyth and quark.

Lewis Carroll has been called "the king of neologistic poems" because of his poem, "Jabberwocky", which incorporated dozens of invented words. The early modern English prose writings of Sir Thomas Browne are the source of many neologisms as recorded by the OED.

The children's book Frindle by Andrew Clements is a story about neologism.

I think I have written poetry that is neologism. Yeah. Its a cool word.:smile:

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Sun 08/22/10 07:00 AM
Edited by Kings_Knight on Sun 08/22/10 07:01 AM
But 'neologisms' aren't as fun as 'Spoonerisms' ... and 'Jabberwocky' is WAY cooler in German also too ...

"Es brillig war, und die schlichtige Toven geiert und gimbelte in dem Wabe ... "

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Sun 08/22/10 02:19 PM

But 'neologisms' aren't as fun as 'Spoonerisms' ... and 'Jabberwocky' is WAY cooler in German also too ...

"Es brillig war, und die schlichtige Toven geiert und gimbelte in dem Wabe ... "



I wished I had learned German when I was born in Frankfurt and went to school at Karlsruhe but I came to the states when I started fourth grade.ohwell

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Sun 08/22/10 08:36 PM
Edited by Monier on Sun 08/22/10 08:37 PM
It seems to me that the Ignorant are always happy, carefree and relaxed while the knowledgable seem troubled, exhausted and challenged.

So I can definitely understand how ignorance would annoy them. Perhaps he was jealous? I know that I am.

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Sun 08/22/10 09:31 PM

It seems to me that the Ignorant are always happy, carefree and relaxed while the knowledgable seem troubled, exhausted and challenged.

So I can definitely understand how ignorance would annoy them. Perhaps he was jealous? I know that I am.


Hmm ... used as it is in this context, the implication is clearly that the knowledgeable would be ENVIOUS of the 'ignorati' rather than 'annoyed' ... I'd still rather be among the 'knowledgeable' ...

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Sun 08/22/10 09:38 PM
forest gump is a good example... made a good life just gumping thoruogh...

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Sun 08/22/10 10:06 PM

Philosophy means the love of knowledge. The closest I came to finding something on the love of ignorance is the phrase, "Ignorance is bliss". In reading about Socrates and looking at the bust of Socrates to me he just doesn't look that blissful. I guess his quote, "I know that I know nothing."; Just seems to back this up. It just seems that ignorance upset him and he had trouble dealing with it. Maybe it just me.

I am not arguing, but maybe the fact that ignorant people are gay and happy has nothing to do with knowledge or the lack of it, but instead, with their not having love. The two statements, "ignorance is bliss" and "I love knowledge" make incongruous claims. One talks about love, the other, about happiness. Obviously the two (love and happinesss) are not related in a directly proportional way. Provided we accept the two statements as a starting points or premisses in the logic.

Regarding looking at the bust of Socrates: "Seinfeld" even had a show in which Kramer wants to market a bra for old men who have developed breasts. There is nothing new under the bra: So much in Socrates' time as today.

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Mon 08/23/10 04:11 AM


Philosophy means the love of knowledge. The closest I came to finding something on the love of ignorance is the phrase, "Ignorance is bliss". In reading about Socrates and looking at the bust of Socrates to me he just doesn't look that blissful. I guess his quote, "I know that I know nothing."; Just seems to back this up. It just seems that ignorance upset him and he had trouble dealing with it. Maybe it just me.

I am not arguing, but maybe the fact that ignorant people are gay and happy has nothing to do with knowledge or the lack of it, but instead, with their not having love. The two statements, "ignorance is bliss" and "I love knowledge" make incongruous claims. One talks about love, the other, about happiness. Obviously the two (love and happinesss) are not related in a directly proportional way. Provided we accept the two statements as a starting points or premisses in the logic.

Regarding looking at the bust of Socrates: "Seinfeld" even had a show in which Kramer wants to market a bra for old men who have developed breasts. There is nothing new under the bra: So much in Socrates' time as today.


Welcome to the discussion.:smile: Another quote of Socrates was, "I don't know." It was added as one of the possible answers on our tests in college. It can be a truthful answer but not the answer the professor thought was the best answer. One professor in trying to help us since the whole class needed all the help it could get; In other words, 'Our ignorance was great'. We would get extra credit for spelling our own name right; Putting the right date on the test and he even asked the question, "What was George Washington first name?" laugh I felt that the professor had a great love for ignorance as he really did try his best to teach us. It would just exhaust and frustrate him at times. We were really a challenge to him. It was nice that he graded on the curve. But unfortunately for us we had a person in the class who was smart and got a lot of answers right; So some of just barely passed the course. But he did let us get extra credit by offering extra questions on the test. By taking his class it helped me to postulate this statement: "It is truly amazing how much ignorance the mind can actually hold.":smile:

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Mon 08/23/10 04:13 AM

forest gump is a good example... made a good life just gumping thoruogh...
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I like that.

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Mon 08/23/10 04:19 AM

It seems to me that the Ignorant are always happy, carefree and relaxed while the knowledgable seem troubled, exhausted and challenged.

So I can definitely understand how ignorance would annoy them. Perhaps he was jealous? I know that I am.


I have a wonderful friend at work. We have had talks about this. She would call me when she was off work and tell me that she just couldn't stop thinking. The thinking was interfering with her sleep. It was like she couldn't find the off switch for her brain. I asked her if she had tried to find the off switch. :smile:

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Mon 08/23/10 04:53 AM

I learned a new word, today; Neologism. No, its not a bowel movement caused by roids. In psychiatry, the term neologism is used to describe the use of words that only have meaning to the person who uses them, independent of their common meaning.:smile:


And here I thought that it meant that's the logic that Neo used to beat The Matrix.

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