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Topic: Biggest lie of 2010: 'Government takeover of health care'
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Fri 12/17/10 09:32 AM
Domenico Montanaro writes: For the second straight year, the health care overhaul inspired the biggest political lie, according to the independent fact-checking Web site Politifact.

Last year, it was Sarah Palin's claim that there were "death panels" in the bill. The winner this year, is the term "government takeover" used by multiple Republicans, including incoming Speaker John Boehner.

Politifact:

In the spring of 2009, a Republican strategist settled on a brilliant and powerful attack line for President Barack Obama's ambitious plan to overhaul America's health insurance system. Frank Luntz, a consultant famous for his phraseology, urged GOP leaders to call it a "government takeover." ...

The line stuck. By the time the health care bill was headed toward passage in early 2010, Obama and congressional Democrats had sanded down their program, dropping the "public option" concept that was derided as too much government intrusion. The law passed in March, with new regulations, but no government-run plan.

But as Republicans smelled serious opportunity in the midterm elections, they didn't let facts get in the way of a great punchline. ... uttered by dozens of politicians and pundits, it played an important role in shaping public opinion about the health care plan and was a significant factor in the Democrats' shellacking in the November elections.

Second place was Rep. Michele Bachmann's claim that President Obama's recent overseas trip to India would cost $200 million a day.



http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/17/5668817-biggest-lie-of-2010-government-takeover-of-health-care

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Fri 12/17/10 09:38 AM
Here's the actual Fox Noise Memo laying out the talking points:

As the debate over the health-care public option heated up, a Fox News executive told staffers to change the way they talked about it. Howard Kurtz on the memo that echoed a GOP talking point.

As the health-care debate was heating up in the summer of 2009, Republican pollster Frank Luntz offered Sean Hannity some advice.

Luntz, who counseled the GOP on how to sell the 1994 Contract With America, told the Fox News host to stop using President Obama's preferred term for a key provision.

"If you call it a public option, the American people are split," he explained. "If you call it the government option, the public is overwhelmingly against it."

"A great point," Hannity declared. "And from now on, I'm going to call it the government option, because that's what it is...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCYQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fblogs-and-stories%2F2010-12-09%2Fhow-fox-news-spun-the-health-care-debate%2F&ei=RYsLTcriIcSDngejnp22Dg&usg=AFQjCNHg_zshXFmoIy9ow7ymX8vcBPYPNA


Keep being fooled.

I could not watch FOX NEWS and feel good about calling myself an American.

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Fri 12/17/10 10:56 AM

Domenico Montanaro writes: For the second straight year, the health care overhaul inspired the biggest political lie, according to the independent fact-checking Web site Politifact.

Last year, it was Sarah Palin's claim that there were "death panels" in the bill. The winner this year, is the term "government takeover" used by multiple Republicans, including incoming Speaker John Boehner.

Politifact:

In the spring of 2009, a Republican strategist settled on a brilliant and powerful attack line for President Barack Obama's ambitious plan to overhaul America's health insurance system. Frank Luntz, a consultant famous for his phraseology, urged GOP leaders to call it a "government takeover." ...

The line stuck. By the time the health care bill was headed toward passage in early 2010, Obama and congressional Democrats had sanded down their program, dropping the "public option" concept that was derided as too much government intrusion. The law passed in March, with new regulations, but no government-run plan.

But as Republicans smelled serious opportunity in the midterm elections, they didn't let facts get in the way of a great punchline. ... uttered by dozens of politicians and pundits, it played an important role in shaping public opinion about the health care plan and was a significant factor in the Democrats' shellacking in the November elections.

Second place was Rep. Michele Bachmann's claim that President Obama's recent overseas trip to India would cost $200 million a day.



http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/17/5668817-biggest-lie-of-2010-government-takeover-of-health-care


POPPYCOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Fri 12/17/10 06:59 PM
yea, they perpetuate misinformation across the board on the Fox News Channel. Using fear and hate to further their agenda in this country


mightymoe's photo
Fri 12/17/10 07:10 PM

yea, they perpetuate misinformation across the board on the Fox News Channel. Using fear and hate to further their agenda in this country




what is the misinformation you are talking about?

Dragoness's photo
Fri 12/17/10 07:25 PM
http://www.newshounds.us/

http://scienceblogs.com/corpuscallosum/2010/06/tricks_with_graphs_deliberate.php

http://current.com/tags/88794112_fox-misinformation/

http://www.triplepundit.com/2010/06/fox-news-caught-spreading-myths-and-falsehoods-about-the-gulf-oil-spill/

just a few to chew

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Fri 12/17/10 08:38 PM
i find it incredibly funny and sad that Americans are actually AGAINST universal health care...slaphead

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Fri 12/17/10 08:42 PM

i find it incredibly funny and sad that Americans are actually AGAINST universal health care...slaphead


I'm not against it, I'm against paying for it against my will...if i don't need it, why should i pay for it? it is just some bureaucrat with their get rich quick scheme.

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Fri 12/17/10 08:49 PM
here is an example of how universal health care works here in my country...you fall down on any city sidewalk, an ambulance show up to administer first aid, and, if necessary, takes you to the hospital. total cost to you..zero. Paid for by your taxes...everyone has access to that.

you dont want that?? then sorry, but I think someone has tainted the water you all are drinking.

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Fri 12/17/10 08:52 PM


Domenico Montanaro writes: For the second straight year, the health care overhaul inspired the biggest political lie, according to the independent fact-checking Web site Politifact.

Last year, it was Sarah Palin's claim that there were "death panels" in the bill. The winner this year, is the term "government takeover" used by multiple Republicans, including incoming Speaker John Boehner.

Politifact:

In the spring of 2009, a Republican strategist settled on a brilliant and powerful attack line for President Barack Obama's ambitious plan to overhaul America's health insurance system. Frank Luntz, a consultant famous for his phraseology, urged GOP leaders to call it a "government takeover." ...

The line stuck. By the time the health care bill was headed toward passage in early 2010, Obama and congressional Democrats had sanded down their program, dropping the "public option" concept that was derided as too much government intrusion. The law passed in March, with new regulations, but no government-run plan.

But as Republicans smelled serious opportunity in the midterm elections, they didn't let facts get in the way of a great punchline. ... uttered by dozens of politicians and pundits, it played an important role in shaping public opinion about the health care plan and was a significant factor in the Democrats' shellacking in the November elections.

Second place was Rep. Michele Bachmann's claim that President Obama's recent overseas trip to India would cost $200 million a day.



http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/17/5668817-biggest-lie-of-2010-government-takeover-of-health-care


POPPYCOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LOL
That's my word.

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Fri 12/17/10 08:54 PM

here is an example of how universal health care works here in my country...you fall down on any city sidewalk, an ambulance show up to administer first aid, and, if necessary, takes you to the hospital. total cost to you..zero. Paid for by your taxes...everyone has access to that.

you dont want that?? then sorry, but I think someone has tainted the water you all are drinking.


Nope.

It's Republican Kool-Aide.

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Fri 12/17/10 09:01 PM


yea, they perpetuate misinformation across the board on the Fox News Channel. Using fear and hate to further their agenda in this country




what is the misinformation you are talking about?


This,

OLBERMANN: Let me jump in, Wendell. APCO, that PR film seems to contradict some of the remarks you made. APCO did not conduct research on Michael Moore's family. We did not suppress turnout for his movie. Explain what you know about the personal research that was done on Michael Moore and his family.

POTTER: I think whoever wrote that, I think, she was just protesting too much. The industry did an enormous amount of research on what we thought was going to be in the movie and on Michael Moore as a movie maker. I, myself did. I have seen every one of his movies, read all three of his books, seen all 24 episodes of "The Awful Truth." I know where you went to school. I know when you dropped out of college. I know who you are married to. I know a lot about you. Everybody in the industry knows a lot about you. We needed to know as much as we could, not that we necessarily were going to be using that if we didn't have to. One of the things that I was afraid about doing what I'm doing was that I would be attacked not by the industry directly by but its allies to try to attack my character and reputation. So that's what's goes on in a lot of the campaigns like this.

MOORE: When you were doing this research and this spying on myself and my family, what, I mean, to what ends, really? Obviously, they don't really want to have the debate on the issue, whether or not a for-profit health insurance system is what's really best for Americans?

POTTER: right.

MOORE: It seemed like their main goal was if people get in to see that film, we are doomed. We have got to make sure as few people see that film as possible. The way to do that is to smear Michael Moore, call him Anti -- American, say Anti-American and say he is not telling the truth. You said the other day that you guys were ready for Plan "B" if that failed, If the movie was getting too much traction, that it might be necessary to push me off a cliff, right?

>> what exactly did that mean?

POTTER: I was in that meeting and those words, indeed, were said. It was not literal, obviously. It meant we would do what we had to do to create ads and op-eds that we would get CONSERVATIVE PUNDINTS to place in newspapers with the whole objective of, as they call it, reframing the debate, to try to move the attention from them to you as a filmmaker.


s1owhand's photo
Fri 12/17/10 09:03 PM
if you read the bill closely you find that it requires surgeons
to use blunt rusty instruments and fruit wine for anesthetic

Fanta46's photo
Fri 12/17/10 09:08 PM
BUT WON'T THAT DRAW FRUIT FLIES?laugh

mightymoe's photo
Fri 12/17/10 09:19 PM



yea, they perpetuate misinformation across the board on the Fox News Channel. Using fear and hate to further their agenda in this country




what is the misinformation you are talking about?


This,

OLBERMANN: Let me jump in, Wendell. APCO, that PR film seems to contradict some of the remarks you made. APCO did not conduct research on Michael Moore's family. We did not suppress turnout for his movie. Explain what you know about the personal research that was done on Michael Moore and his family.

POTTER: I think whoever wrote that, I think, she was just protesting too much. The industry did an enormous amount of research on what we thought was going to be in the movie and on Michael Moore as a movie maker. I, myself did. I have seen every one of his movies, read all three of his books, seen all 24 episodes of "The Awful Truth." I know where you went to school. I know when you dropped out of college. I know who you are married to. I know a lot about you. Everybody in the industry knows a lot about you. We needed to know as much as we could, not that we necessarily were going to be using that if we didn't have to. One of the things that I was afraid about doing what I'm doing was that I would be attacked not by the industry directly by but its allies to try to attack my character and reputation. So that's what's goes on in a lot of the campaigns like this.

MOORE: When you were doing this research and this spying on myself and my family, what, I mean, to what ends, really? Obviously, they don't really want to have the debate on the issue, whether or not a for-profit health insurance system is what's really best for Americans?

POTTER: right.

MOORE: It seemed like their main goal was if people get in to see that film, we are doomed. We have got to make sure as few people see that film as possible. The way to do that is to smear Michael Moore, call him Anti -- American, say Anti-American and say he is not telling the truth. You said the other day that you guys were ready for Plan "B" if that failed, If the movie was getting too much traction, that it might be necessary to push me off a cliff, right?

>> what exactly did that mean? means he wants people to buy his books, go see his movies...harry potter just set it all up...

POTTER: I was in that meeting and those words, indeed, were said. It was not literal, obviously. It meant we would do what we had to do to create ads and op-eds that we would get CONSERVATIVE PUNDINTS to place in newspapers with the whole objective of, as they call it, reframing the debate, to try to move the attention from them to you as a filmmaker.


i'm still a little confused there... isn't blowbermen on msnbc?

micheal moore?

who is potter? harry potter?

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Fri 12/17/10 09:27 PM
You must watch FOX News.

Fanta46's photo
Fri 12/17/10 09:30 PM
Also,
The number 1 reason the health-care industry is almost bankrupt here in America, and the reason health insurance costs keeps increasing at an absurd rate is because not everyone has health insurance.

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Fri 12/17/10 09:31 PM

You must watch FOX News.

i dont watch the news channels, just get it from the web...
so you based everything from msnbc, the lowest watched news ratings on TV?
hahaha

you have been drinking the lib kool-aid...lol

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Fri 12/17/10 09:33 PM

Also,
The number 1 reason the health-care industry is almost bankrupt here in America, and the reason health insurance costs keeps increasing at an absurd rate is because not everyone has health insurance.


thats not even close to the reason...it is because doctors and hospitals charge too much money... even if obama's plan goes through, it will still go broke because of the doctors fees and hospitalization costs...

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Fri 12/17/10 10:13 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 12/17/10 10:15 PM
LOL

So lower their salaries. Especially the side money. (drug company money and insurance money)

Put them on a generous salary and pay for their school.

Then maybe you would get doctors who will check your pee and your heart. Doctors who do it not only for the generous pay but also because they like helping people.

Instead of those who do it for the BMWs and the Porshes. Those who would rather be on the golf course and country club than waiting on a pregnancy to takes its natural course. When they can do an abortion now and get on to the course.

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