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A ten-minute collection of audio-video clips from the base of the WTC on 9/11 that will forever change the way you think of that event. It features numerous reporters from different networks, many emergency services personnel, and many survivors describing repeatedly secondary explosions within the Twin Towers, suspicious devices, an exploding van parked inside one of the buildings, and similar occurrences -- all real time, as they happened on 9/11, and that somehow or other disappeared from the media record shortly afterward. Proof positive that the impacting planes alone did not bring down the Twin Towers.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/ Watch it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J4o3Tbf5kg&feature=player_embedded#at=612 |
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A ten-minute collection of audio-video clips from the base of the WTC on 9/11 that will forever change the way you think of that event. It features numerous reporters from different networks, many emergency services personnel, and many survivors describing repeatedly secondary explosions within the Twin Towers, suspicious devices, an exploding van parked inside one of the buildings, and similar occurrences -- all real time, as they happened on 9/11, and that somehow or other disappeared from the media record shortly afterward. Proof positive that the impacting planes alone did not bring down the Twin Towers. http://whatreallyhappened.com/ Watch it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J4o3Tbf5kg&feature=player_embedded#at=612 Proof positive my a$$. |
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such a testament to how blessed we are really,, that we can be so outraged by this one time incident when people around the world live in such an environment daily,,,,
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Edited by
Chazster
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Tue 07/12/11 01:19 PM
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http://www.math.vt.edu/people/gao/physics/mechanics/wtc_zpb.pdf
 His detailed explanations with calculations and references. http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf |
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Edited by
InvictusV
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Tue 07/12/11 01:21 PM
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http://www.math.vt.edu/people/gao/physics/mechanics/wtc_zpb.pdf dude... didn't you watch the video? If you can't accept Rick Sanchez's assessment that there were bombs going off all over the place then how could you possibly trust: Dr Frank Greening? I have a Ph. D. in chemistry , but my official title for over 20 years was Senior Research Scientist at what used to be called Ontario Hydro and is now Ontario Power Generation. I was in charge of radioanalytical chemistry research and discovered all sorts of problems with OPG's CANDU reactors... [Google Frank Greenings name and you’ll find him described as a “nuclear whistle-blower”]. I have published scientific articles in the Journal of Molecular Spectroscopy, Canadian Journal of Physics, Chemical Physics Letters, Journal of Nuclear Materials, etc. I even worked with the great Nobel prize winning spectroscopist, Gerhard Herzberg, for 2 years back in the 1970s. http://www.911myths.com/html/dr_frank_greening_bio.html |
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http://www.math.vt.edu/people/gao/physics/mechanics/wtc_zpb.pdf dude... didn't you watch the video? If you can't accept Rick Sanchez's assessment that there were bombs going off all over the place then how could you possibly trust: Dr Frank Greening? I have a Ph. D. in chemistry , but my official title for over 20 years was Senior Research Scientist at what used to be called Ontario Hydro and is now Ontario Power Generation. I was in charge of radioanalytical chemistry research and discovered all sorts of problems with OPG's CANDU reactors... [Google Frank Greenings name and you’ll find him described as a “nuclear whistle-blower”]. I have published scientific articles in the Journal of Molecular Spectroscopy, Canadian Journal of Physics, Chemical Physics Letters, Journal of Nuclear Materials, etc. I even worked with the great Nobel prize winning spectroscopist, Gerhard Herzberg, for 2 years back in the 1970s. http://www.911myths.com/html/dr_frank_greening_bio.html Don't worry, I am sure he will come back and tell me how this Canadian citizen is part of the conspiracy too. Or something similar. |
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Edited by
Bestinshow
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Tue 07/12/11 01:34 PM
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http://www.math.vt.edu/people/gao/physics/mechanics/wtc_zpb.pdf His detailed explanations with calculations and references. http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf  and the disclaimer at the bottem, well it says exact time cannot be measured due to the amount of debri in the air |
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Yes that goes for any study. Again physics explains how and why the building fell. Now for your theory can you explain how they wired these buildings to blow without anyone knowing about it, seeing wires, seeing explosives, etc? Also from 9s-12s is 33% longer so yea its a lot longer. You really don't understand relativity do you? Force is mass X velocity. The longer something collapses the faster it will move due to the acceleration of gravity. The more that collapses the bigger the mass. The force is growing greatly and the amount of resistance is shrinking.
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I would also like to say I think its funny that people say that because it fell downward it had to be demolition. Where else would they expect it to go? There are no forces there in any other direction.
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Yes that goes for any study. Again physics explains how and why the building fell. Now for your theory can you explain how they wired these buildings to blow without anyone knowing about it, seeing wires, seeing explosives, etc? Also from 9s-12s is 33% longer so yea its a lot longer. You really don't understand relativity do you? Force is mass X velocity. The longer something collapses the faster it will move due to the acceleration of gravity. The more that collapses the bigger the mass. The force is growing greatly and the amount of resistance is shrinking. The buildings did not fall this way or that way they came straight down as if in a demolition. I do not have all the answers but I am 100% certain it did not happen as explained. Who in the hell hijacked our air defences over washington ? Come on man only a rube goes for the official version of 911. How long after the twin towers got hit did the plane hit the pentagon? Tell me again how we have no air defences over washington and the pentagon. |
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Yes that goes for any study. Again physics explains how and why the building fell. Now for your theory can you explain how they wired these buildings to blow without anyone knowing about it, seeing wires, seeing explosives, etc? Also from 9s-12s is 33% longer so yea its a lot longer. You really don't understand relativity do you? Force is mass X velocity. The longer something collapses the faster it will move due to the acceleration of gravity. The more that collapses the bigger the mass. The force is growing greatly and the amount of resistance is shrinking. The buildings did not fall this way or that way they came straight down as if in a demolition. I do not have all the answers but I am 100% certain it did not happen as explained. Who in the hell hijacked our air defences over washington ? Come on man only a rube goes for the official version of 911. How long after the twin towers got hit did the plane hit the pentagon? Tell me again how we have no air defences over washington and the pentagon. how many air defense planes were flying over the largest us naval base in the pacific on dec 7, 1941? must be a conspiracy.. |
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Yes that goes for any study. Again physics explains how and why the building fell. Now for your theory can you explain how they wired these buildings to blow without anyone knowing about it, seeing wires, seeing explosives, etc? Also from 9s-12s is 33% longer so yea its a lot longer. You really don't understand relativity do you? Force is mass X velocity. The longer something collapses the faster it will move due to the acceleration of gravity. The more that collapses the bigger the mass. The force is growing greatly and the amount of resistance is shrinking. The buildings did not fall this way or that way they came straight down as if in a demolition. I do not have all the answers but I am 100% certain it did not happen as explained. Who in the hell hijacked our air defences over washington ? Come on man only a rube goes for the official version of 911. How long after the twin towers got hit did the plane hit the pentagon? Tell me again how we have no air defences over washington and the pentagon. how many air defense planes were flying over the largest us naval base in the pacific on dec 7, 1941? must be a conspiracy.. I got news for you 90% of the people I know do not buy into the official version of 911. I hang with normal people at home and at work. Granted I do not hang with the super patriots or bible thumpers but who realy does? I can asure you the clear and free thinking members of society call it BS |
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Yes that goes for any study. Again physics explains how and why the building fell. Now for your theory can you explain how they wired these buildings to blow without anyone knowing about it, seeing wires, seeing explosives, etc? Also from 9s-12s is 33% longer so yea its a lot longer. You really don't understand relativity do you? Force is mass X velocity. The longer something collapses the faster it will move due to the acceleration of gravity. The more that collapses the bigger the mass. The force is growing greatly and the amount of resistance is shrinking. The buildings did not fall this way or that way they came straight down as if in a demolition. I do not have all the answers but I am 100% certain it did not happen as explained. Who in the hell hijacked our air defences over washington ? Come on man only a rube goes for the official version of 911. How long after the twin towers got hit did the plane hit the pentagon? Tell me again how we have no air defences over washington and the pentagon. They didnt suddenly weaken. The towers burned for 1 hour and 1hour 45 minutes respectively. Many supports were lost and the fires were hot enough to deform the steel. As I said yes they fell straight down. Where else are they gonna fall? Physics dictates that they fall downward. If you say they should fall any other direction please explain using science. The fact is you cant. |
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Yes that goes for any study. Again physics explains how and why the building fell. Now for your theory can you explain how they wired these buildings to blow without anyone knowing about it, seeing wires, seeing explosives, etc? Also from 9s-12s is 33% longer so yea its a lot longer. You really don't understand relativity do you? Force is mass X velocity. The longer something collapses the faster it will move due to the acceleration of gravity. The more that collapses the bigger the mass. The force is growing greatly and the amount of resistance is shrinking. The buildings did not fall this way or that way they came straight down as if in a demolition. I do not have all the answers but I am 100% certain it did not happen as explained. Who in the hell hijacked our air defences over washington ? Come on man only a rube goes for the official version of 911. How long after the twin towers got hit did the plane hit the pentagon? Tell me again how we have no air defences over washington and the pentagon. They didnt suddenly weaken. The towers burned for 1 hour and 1hour 45 minutes respectively. Many supports were lost and the fires were hot enough to deform the steel. As I said yes they fell straight down. Where else are they gonna fall? Physics dictates that they fall downward. If you say they should fall any other direction please explain using science. The fact is you cant. I gota go some of my childhood friends have rented a cabin nearby it sits on about ten acres and has a pond and a bunch of us are grilling and drinking beer. I am sure I will be back sometime tonite. |
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 http://www.debunking911.com/ "debunking9/11.com is a very sophisticated, extensive and professionally put together website that clearly has had a lot of expensive expertise poured into it." - Alex Jones' InfoWars Journal Of Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Volume 1 Issue 4 is out! eSkeptic gives Debunking911.com a nod ~ How Skeptics Confronted 9/11 Denialism by John Ray ...Yet, in just under four years, the 9/11 “truth movement” has ground to a halt. Apart from the fundamental incoherence of their theories, the downfall of the 9/11 denier juggernaut was good old-fashioned skepticism at its finest, the kind that conjures visions of James Randi challenging psychics and faith healers on their home turfs and winning. Skeptics are better at their jobs than they think, and its important to give credit where credit is due. Staking their fortunes almost solely on Internet-based content may have been the 9/11 deniers’ biggest mistake. What seems like a perfect place for pseudoscience — the Internet is un-edited, without fact-checkers or minimum publishing standards of any kind — also became a perfect place for a rapid-response system of blogs and forums to fight back. Drawing on the freely available technical information from the NIST, FEMA, and academic journals which most colleges let their students access for free, skeptical sites like ScrewLooseChange.blogspot.com and debunking911.com are able to defuse 9/11 denier claims as they arise... Important New Site ~ http://www.ae911truth.info addresses the misleading and deceitful conspiracy industries latest attempt at creating consumers for their products. From their blatant appeal to authority to misapplied science, ae911truth.info is a must for anyone seriously looking for truth. New link ~ Frequently Asked Questions - "Why do you use the term "debunking" in your name? Doesn't that prove you already think you're right?"... "Why do you hide your identity?" "Who funds your site?"...The answer to those questions and much more are in the FAQ. Please read the FAQ before sending e-mail. Your questions about this site may already be answered. New ~ WTC 7 explained in Structure Magazine. "Single Point of Failure: How the Loss of One Column May Have Led to the Collapse of WTC 7" points out that the failure of column 79 in the lower levels will create the very effect we see in videos New ~ Quick Answers and links page. Quickly debunk the most commonly repeated conspiracy myths. 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists: "Don't ignore me, bro!" Evidence most people do not believe the towers were blown up. Readers E-mails ~ Here are some thought provoking e-mails from our readers. New Paper ~ Professor of Civil, Structural and Environmental Engineering at Cambridge University passes yet another peer reviewed paper by a RESPECTED engineering Journal saying the towers collapsed the way they did without the need of explosives. Update ~ The real conspiracy, the administrations rush to war and the evidence for an investigation people should be fighting for. Link ~ The Italian debunker does it again! Uninterruptible power supply on the 81st floor may be yet another explanation for the molten flow coming from the 81st floor window. New Page ~ In Defense of Rosie. Why Rosie O'Donnell shouldn't be fired from 'The View' but should reexamine the WTC 7 collapse. New Video ~ Frustrated fireman agonizes over not being able to go into "leaning" Building 7 and save it from certain doom. Update ~ An Italian debunker over seas put an iron slab to the test. Shoots down Steven Jones alleged thermite photo. Badda Bing! Uncomfortable Questions ~ Was the Death Star Attack an Inside Job? New Search Engine ~ Debunking 9/11's "9/11 POWER Debunker" Over 200 9/11 related web sites and thousands of pages of facts, papers and commentary! New Video ~ Did the BBC know the WTC 7 was going to be blown up or is this conspiracy story just petty revenge? New Video ~ Shows us what he saw from the south side of Building 7! Updated ~ The NIST and "Pancaking". More deception from conspiracy theorists... Must Read! ~ 9-11 and the New Pearl Harbor (Part I) (Part II) http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2577/9_11_and_the_New_Pearl_Harbor_Part_I Reply to conspiracy theorist hit piece ~ Below and on the World Trade Center 7 page I respond to a conspiracy theorist's hit piece which mocks my grammar and distorts the firefighters quotes. Debunking 9/11 exclusive! ~ Portion of World Trade Center 7 South Side Hole Updated ~ Prof. Steven E Jones The controversial professor of BYU's Cold Fusion physics department and his scholars for truth. Jones is placed on leave with pay and my view on the topic. Added ~ Examination of evidence concerning asbestos at the towers and occupancy at the time of the attack. Debunking 911 Links - 9/11 Conspiracy debunking sites... Peer reviewed papers and articles on how the towers collapsed.. Molten Steel Explained - Conspiracy sites like to bring up molten steel found 6 weeks after the buildings fell to suggest a bomb must have created the effect. There is another explanation which is more plausible. "Iron Burns!!! Mark R Ferran's E-mails to the scholars explaining to them how iron can burn/oxidize in low temperature fires. The "Squib" Squabble - An examination of the evidence which squelches the "Squibs" issue. Rethinking Thermite - The reality of thermite and an examination of the evidence The Free Fall Fallacy - Photographic evidence the towers did not fall at free fall speed. World Trade Center 7 - Firefighter interviews proving Silverstein meant "pull" the ongoing [rescue operations] out of building 7's immediate area. Proof also that Building 7 was a lot worse than conspiracy theorists lead you to believe. Columns and Trusses - Photographic evidence the trusses sagged due to fire and pulled the columns in causing the catastrophic collapse. Peer Reviewed Paper - A look at the only paper which passed peer review on what caused the WTC collapse and the people behind it. The Fire - The fireman's quote saying all that was needed was two fire hoses to put out the fires is taken out of context by conspiracy theorists. The Firefighter Quotes - Evidence that conspiracy theorists are lying and taking firefighter quotes out of context. Civil Engineers' Quotes Structural and Civil Engineers who have spoken out against Controlled Demolition conspiracy theory. Osama Bin Laden - "A few Arabs in the desert could not have pulled this off..." Why Osama is perfect for this attack. The Zogby Poll - Conspiracy sites point to a Zogby poll which they suggest proves that the American people think the government blew up the towers. Why that's not the case. Real Conspiracy - What a real conspiracy looks like. Ironically, this conspiracy goes unnoticed by the conspiracy theorists. First time in history - Conspiracy sites bring up the fact that the towers were the first steel high raises to fall in history. The fact is the towers had a lot of firsts that day. The Meeting - The absurd meeting which must have occurred between government accomplices if conspiracy theorists are right. Sounds of Explosions - A look at a possible explanation for what some people saw and heard. Massive Conspiracy - All the people who would have to be involved in order to pull this massive conspiracy off... Debunking 911 Links - 9/11 Conspiracy debunking sites... Peer reviewed papers and articles on how the towers collapsed..
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Yes that goes for any study. Again physics explains how and why the building fell. Now for your theory can you explain how they wired these buildings to blow without anyone knowing about it, seeing wires, seeing explosives, etc? Also from 9s-12s is 33% longer so yea its a lot longer. You really don't understand relativity do you? Force is mass X velocity. The longer something collapses the faster it will move due to the acceleration of gravity. The more that collapses the bigger the mass. The force is growing greatly and the amount of resistance is shrinking. The buildings did not fall this way or that way they came straight down as if in a demolition. I do not have all the answers but I am 100% certain it did not happen as explained. Who in the hell hijacked our air defences over washington ? Come on man only a rube goes for the official version of 911. How long after the twin towers got hit did the plane hit the pentagon? Tell me again how we have no air defences over washington and the pentagon. how many air defense planes were flying over the largest us naval base in the pacific on dec 7, 1941? must be a conspiracy.. I got news for you 90% of the people I know do not buy into the official version of 911. I hang with normal people at home and at work. Granted I do not hang with the super patriots or bible thumpers but who realy does? I can asure you the clear and free thinking members of society call it BS so the people that don't agree with you are not "clear and free thinking?" |
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Edited by
InvictusV
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Tue 07/12/11 02:35 PM
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Yes that goes for any study. Again physics explains how and why the building fell. Now for your theory can you explain how they wired these buildings to blow without anyone knowing about it, seeing wires, seeing explosives, etc? Also from 9s-12s is 33% longer so yea its a lot longer. You really don't understand relativity do you? Force is mass X velocity. The longer something collapses the faster it will move due to the acceleration of gravity. The more that collapses the bigger the mass. The force is growing greatly and the amount of resistance is shrinking. The buildings did not fall this way or that way they came straight down as if in a demolition. I do not have all the answers but I am 100% certain it did not happen as explained. Who in the hell hijacked our air defences over washington ? Come on man only a rube goes for the official version of 911. How long after the twin towers got hit did the plane hit the pentagon? Tell me again how we have no air defences over washington and the pentagon. how many air defense planes were flying over the largest us naval base in the pacific on dec 7, 1941? must be a conspiracy.. I got news for you 90% of the people I know do not buy into the official version of 911. I hang with normal people at home and at work. Granted I do not hang with the super patriots or bible thumpers but who realy does? I can asure you the clear and free thinking members of society call it BS free thinking?... haha |
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You see how this works right? He asks a question and we provide answers and science to back it up. He then just ignores it or says the same thing. Things like "Pancake Theory" Not Pancake Fact. Science has lots of theories that much of the science community considers true. Not to mention with his attitude his "conspiracy theory" would fit in the same boat because its not "conspiracy fact".
I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary? |
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You see how this works right? He asks a question and we provide answers and science to back it up. He then just ignores it or says the same thing. Things like "Pancake Theory" Not Pancake Fact. Science has lots of theories that much of the science community considers true. Not to mention with his attitude his "conspiracy theory" would fit in the same boat because its not "conspiracy fact". I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary? See here is where the theorists get around this. The new theory is that they used some incredible explosive called nano- thermite that you can theoretically paint on with a brush.. This has evolved over time from simple thermite to thermate to super thermite and now nano-thermite. and of course the only people who have access to said nano-thermite is the US military. Now if I was planning this type of operation would I really want to use something that was only directly traceable right back to me? Wouldn't you want to use something widely available so if someone found trace elements they couldn't directly link you to the crime? I really can't understand these people that actually believe this stuff. It's bizarre. |
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You see how this works right? He asks a question and we provide answers and science to back it up. He then just ignores it or says the same thing. Things like "Pancake Theory" Not Pancake Fact. Science has lots of theories that much of the science community considers true. Not to mention with his attitude his "conspiracy theory" would fit in the same boat because its not "conspiracy fact". I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary? See here is where the theorists get around this. The new theory is that they used some incredible explosive called nano- thermite that you can theoretically paint on with a brush.. This has evolved over time from simple thermite to thermate to super thermite and now nano-thermite. and of course the only people who have access to said nano-thermite is the US military. Now if I was planning this type of operation would I really want to use something that was only directly traceable right back to me? Wouldn't you want to use something widely available so if someone found trace elements they couldn't directly link you to the crime? I really can't understand these people that actually believe this stuff. It's bizarre. right off the bat you have to wonder how the mighties military money can buy was powerless to stop the plane that hit the pentagon. Thats enough to raise a few eye brows let alone all the other items on the weird list of how it happened. thats all for me for now I am buzzed stuffed with shrimp and zuccini on the grill and full of beer. Aahhhh life is good. |
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