I think it's pretty obvious that Christianity causes a lot of people to have sexual hang-ups and associate sexual desires with being "sinful", especially if they know full-well that they aren't having sex with the intent or purpose to procreate.

And lot of Christians (especially fundamentalists) preach that sex for pleasure (i.e. without the intent of procreation) is a sin.

This would place any Christian couple in an extremely difficult place should either one of them become diagnoses ad being "sterile". Then they only reason they could have sex at that point would indeed be for the pleasure of physical intimacy which is forbidden.

Also, the "light-outs" thing is probably related to shame as well. They are trying to remove themselves from act as much as possible. (i.e. at least they can't see what they are doing)

They can always claim on judgment day, "Gee whiz Jesus, it was dark and we couldn't see what was going on. We had sex by accident! Honest!"

I think it's pretty obvious that Christianity causes a lot of people to have sexual hang-ups and associate sexual desires with being "sinful", especially if they know full-well that they aren't having sex with the intent or purpose to procreate

I think it's pretty obvious that Christianity causes a lot of people to have sexual hang-ups and associate sexual desires with being "sinful", especially if they know full-well that they aren't having sex with the intent or purpose to procreate.

And lot of Christians (especially fundamentalists) preach that sex for pleasure (i.e. without the intent of procreation) is a sin.

This would place any Christian couple in an extremely difficult place should either one of them become diagnoses ad being "sterile". Then they only reason they could have sex at that point would indeed be for the pleasure of physical intimacy which is forbidden.

Also, the "light-outs" thing is probably related to shame as well. They are trying to remove themselves from act as much as possible. (i.e. at least they can't see what they are doing)

They can always claim on judgment day, "Gee whiz Jesus, it was dark and we couldn't see what was going on. We had sex by accident! Honest!"

Cowboy wrote:

Says who?

It was especially traumatic for her. I had to get help with the brainwashing procedure. All her life she had been taught that sex was a sin. The consultation with the brain washer helped. Her mother who had told me that I was the son she never had informed her that her wifely duties included sex. It was like Apocalypse Now to her. She was horrified. I had to be the comforter. When her mother wanted her to get her tubes tied before we got married I was horrified. I was asked if it was okay to take their last name as her father only had girls. I was thinking what kind of Faustian deal have I got myself into. When she got in her car and drove away I had to make a decision. She told me that she hated me. I helped to sober her up. Part of our dating ritual was after she told her parents to go to hell and got her own place. That was when her parents told us that "we kids" needed to get married. So I am concerned about which are issues and which are sins.

Says who? The ONLY "rule/law" pertaining to sex and married people is that they must first be married to have sex. God has told married couples to enjoy each other.

1 Corinthians 7:2-4

2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

3Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

4The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

I am beginning to think that having issues is just part of being human. But then I get on the general religion section and it makes me wonder if religion has issues.

I am beginning to think that having issues is just part of being human. But then I get on the general religion section and it makes me wonder if religion has issues.

Says who? The ONLY "rule/law" pertaining to sex and married people is that they must first be married to have sex. God has told married couples to enjoy each other.

1 Corinthians 7:2-4

2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

3Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

4The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

ur situation sounds like one extreme actually,, whereas I am of just the opposite ilk of christian who believes the husband and wife are to satisfy each other and that that is a good and desired thing,,,,

I realize that Cowboyainity may take a unique stance on this.

But I was speaking to humanity throughout history. Most of those people never heard of Cowboyainity and have no clue what your personal views are on religion.

There are a lot of Christian fundamentalists who support the idea that sex without the intent to procreate is a sin. The Catholic Church also supported this ideal by refusing to condone contraceptives. This naturally implies that if you aren't at least trying to make a baby then having sex must be a sin.

It naturally follows that, if this is true, then having sex when you know you can't have a baby, or don't intend to have a baby would also be a sin.

In fact, if a man knows that his wife is already pregnant and he has sex with her, then he's actually using her pregnancy as a contraceptive for that particular act of sex.

If one of the partners in a marriage becomes sterile then their condition becomes a natural contraceptive. They can no longer have sex with the intent to procreate because they now KNOW that this is impossible. Therefore to have sex just for the pure physical enjoyment of it would be a sin, even if they are married. (assuming they accept these religious ideals that any form of contraception is a sin)

So again, if it's a sin to have sex when procreation isn't possible, then it doesn't truly matter why procreation is not possible. It would still be a sin to have sex if procreation isn't the goal.

A LOT of people have accepted this Christian view.

And they probably never heard of Cowboyainity.

They probably wouldn't recognize Cowboyainity even if they did hear of it anyway.

What makes you think that people would accept your personal views as if you are the ultimate Pope?

Christianity has caused a lot of married couples to have sexual inhibitions. I actually know of quite of few people who have made such confession. My sister is also a therapist and she often become quite upset and angry with Christianity because it has indeed caused a lot of her clients to have totally unwarranted hang-ups about sex. It's crystal clear to her that their hang-ups stem from this religion because she works with these people and they basically explain to her why they "feel guilty" about these things, and it always turns out to be related to the Christian religion.

So why deny that the religion has this affect on a great number of people when the evidence is clear that it does?

You can't expect these people to be aware of Cowboyainity.

The Catholic Pope himself may not even endorse Cowboyainity.

I realize that Cowboyainity may take a unique stance on this.

But I was speaking to humanity throughout history. Most of those people never heard of Cowboyainity and have no clue what your personal views are on religion.

There are a lot of Christian fundamentalists who support the idea that sex without the intent to procreate is a sin. The Catholic Church also supported this ideal by refusing to condone contraceptives. This naturally implies that if you aren't at least trying to make a baby then having sex must be a sin.

Where does it say anything in the above about 'marriage'.

Taking of a wife is not the same thing as 'marriage'.

Prove the quote(s) of Corinthians are the Word of God and not the 'insertions' of Clerical Rulers of the time.

A person would not be a wife or a husband if they were not married. I can not without lying say someone is my wife and not be married to them. And in these verses it specifically says WIFE and HUSBAND. The ONLY way for them to be WIFE and HUSBAND would be to be married.

Wife - person a man selects for life partner.
Husband - persona a woman selects for life partner.

Marriage is a civil thing.

'Taking of a Wife' re the bible has to do with making a commitment in the eyes of god... And nothing what so ever to do with 'marriage'.

Wife - person a man selects for life partner.
Husband - persona a woman selects for life partner.

Marriage is a civil thing.

'Taking of a Wife' re the bible has to do with making a commitment in the eyes of god... And nothing what so ever to do with 'marriage'.

Wife - person a man selects for life partner.
Husband - persona a woman selects for life partner.

Marriage is a civil thing.

'Taking of a Wife' re the bible has to do with making a commitment in the eyes of god... And nothing what so ever to do with 'marriage'.