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Topic: Was Cain's curse lifted?
Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 06/12/12 01:33 PM
Genesis 4:11-12 details the curse that was put upon Cain for murdering his brother Abel. And now [art] thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. But in Genesis 17, we see that Cain had a son and built the world's first city named after him. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. Some people believe that Cain was unrepentant, but I see Cain as a repentant man, who later had his curse lifted, possibly when he realized the value of human life because of the birth of his son. This would explain why in Genesis 4:15, God puts a mark on Cain to protect him from retaliation. And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. If I am correct, then this is the first example of God's mercy in the Bible. And goes further to show that the God of Abraham is forgiving and merciful. Does anyone else have any opinion on this?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 06/12/12 07:22 PM
Genesis 4:11-12 details the curse that was put upon Cain for murdering his brother Abel. And now [art] thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. But in Genesis 17, we see that Cain had a son and built the world's first city named after him. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. Some people believe that Cain was unrepentant, but I see Cain as a repentant man, who later had his curse lifted, possibly when he realized the value of human life because of the birth of his son. This would explain why in Genesis 4:15, God puts a mark on Cain to protect him from retaliation. And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. If I am correct, then this is the first example of God's mercy in the Bible. And goes further to show that the God of Abraham is forgiving and merciful. Does anyone else have any opinion on this? My opinion? God is great and ever loving.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/13/12 05:13 PM
Genesis 4:11-12 details the curse that was put upon Cain for murdering his brother Abel. And now [art] thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. But in Genesis 17, we see that Cain had a son and built the world's first city named after him. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. Some people believe that Cain was unrepentant, but I see Cain as a repentant man, who later had his curse lifted, possibly when he realized the value of human life because of the birth of his son. This would explain why in Genesis 4:15, God puts a mark on Cain to protect him from retaliation. And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. If I am correct, then this is the first example of God's mercy in the Bible. And goes further to show that the God of Abraham is forgiving and merciful. Does anyone else have any opinion on this? The god referred to as "The God of Abraham" was not a forgiving or merciful god. He was the god of war.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/13/12 05:16 PM
Genesis 4:11-12 details the curse that was put upon Cain for murdering his brother Abel. And now [art] thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. But in Genesis 17, we see that Cain had a son and built the world's first city named after him. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. Some people believe that Cain was unrepentant, but I see Cain as a repentant man, who later had his curse lifted, possibly when he realized the value of human life because of the birth of his son. This would explain why in Genesis 4:15, God puts a mark on Cain to protect him from retaliation. And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. If I am correct, then this is the first example of God's mercy in the Bible. And goes further to show that the God of Abraham is forgiving and merciful. Does anyone else have any opinion on this? The god referred to as "The God of Abraham" was not a forgiving or merciful god. He was the god of war. How so? Even through our failings and disobedience, God has always loved us and offered a way to obtain eternal life. How is that not a forgiving or merciful God? God of Abraham, is the same God we have today.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/13/12 05:16 PM
The most disturbing aspect of Yahweh’s humanoid personality, however, is his blood-lust. The smell of burning flesh is a ‘sweet savour unto the lord’ – so sweet, in fact, that the phrase appears in the Old Testament no fewer than twenty-three times. The butchery demanded by god is truly monumental. Believers are required to sacrifice two lambs day-by-day continuously – and that’s just for starters! Just as well Yahweh had several thousand priests to help him trough through the banquet! Livestock bears the brunt of god’s appetite but humans could so easily get the chop from the big guy. God kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Poor Onan was zapped for using the withdrawal method of birth control (Genesis 38.10). But such isolated vindictiveness palls in comparison with the mass killings of the Lord. When the autocratic Moses faces a rebellion led by Korah, God uses an earthquake and fire to consume two hundred and fifty rebels. When indignant sympathizers protest at the injustice, God wipes out another fourteen thousand seven hundred with a plague (Numbers 16). What a guy!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/13/12 05:21 PM
The LORD delivers 10,000 Canaanites and Perizzites for slaughter in Bezek. As part of the fun 71 kings have their thumbs and big toes cut off. (Judges 1.2,7) "And the LORD said, Judah shall go up: behold, I have delivered the land into his hand ... Then Judah went up, and the Lord delivered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand; and they killed ten thousand men at Bezek."

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/13/12 05:26 PM
The most disturbing aspect of Yahweh’s humanoid personality, however, is his blood-lust. The smell of burning flesh is a ‘sweet savour unto the lord’ – so sweet, in fact, that the phrase appears in the Old Testament no fewer than twenty-three times. The butchery demanded by god is truly monumental. Believers are required to sacrifice two lambs day-by-day continuously – and that’s just for starters! Just as well Yahweh had several thousand priests to help him trough through the banquet! Livestock bears the brunt of god’s appetite but humans could so easily get the chop from the big guy. God kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Poor Onan was zapped for using the withdrawal method of birth control (Genesis 38.10). But such isolated vindictiveness palls in comparison with the mass killings of the Lord. When the autocratic Moses faces a rebellion led by Korah, God uses an earthquake and fire to consume two hundred and fifty rebels. When indignant sympathizers protest at the injustice, God wipes out another fourteen thousand seven hundred with a plague (Numbers 16). What a guy! kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Numbers 4:15 15 And when Aaron and his sons have made an end of covering the sanctuary, and all the vessels of the sanctuary, as the camp is to set forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to bear it: but they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die. These things are the burden of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation. -------------- He was not to touch the ark, it was a holy thing. God told them not to touch less you die. He touched it, so he died.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/13/12 05:27 PM
A GOD OF WAR IS JEHOVAH... God was delighted with the massacre: "And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou hast done well in executing right in mine eyes, hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the 4th generation shall sit on the throne of Israel."

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/13/12 05:28 PM
The LORD delivers 10,000 Canaanites and Perizzites for slaughter in Bezek. As part of the fun 71 kings have their thumbs and big toes cut off. (Judges 1.2,7) "And the LORD said, Judah shall go up: behold, I have delivered the land into his hand ... Then Judah went up, and the Lord delivered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand; and they killed ten thousand men at Bezek." God gave them that land. If they would have just handed it over being obedient to the Lord, nobody would have had to been killed. They brought it upon themselves through their disobedience. The only reward for sin is death. Sin = Disobedience to the Lord thy God.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/13/12 05:28 PM
The most disturbing aspect of Yahweh’s humanoid personality, however, is his blood-lust. The smell of burning flesh is a ‘sweet savour unto the lord’ – so sweet, in fact, that the phrase appears in the Old Testament no fewer than twenty-three times. The butchery demanded by god is truly monumental. Believers are required to sacrifice two lambs day-by-day continuously – and that’s just for starters! Just as well Yahweh had several thousand priests to help him trough through the banquet! Livestock bears the brunt of god’s appetite but humans could so easily get the chop from the big guy. God kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Poor Onan was zapped for using the withdrawal method of birth control (Genesis 38.10). But such isolated vindictiveness palls in comparison with the mass killings of the Lord. When the autocratic Moses faces a rebellion led by Korah, God uses an earthquake and fire to consume two hundred and fifty rebels. When indignant sympathizers protest at the injustice, God wipes out another fourteen thousand seven hundred with a plague (Numbers 16). What a guy! kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Numbers 4:15 15 And when Aaron and his sons have made an end of covering the sanctuary, and all the vessels of the sanctuary, as the camp is to set forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to bear it: but they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die. These things are the burden of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation. -------------- He was not to touch the ark, it was a holy thing. God told them not to touch less you die. He touched it, so he died. Which proves that god is not merciful or forgiving.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/13/12 05:29 PM
A GOD OF WAR IS JEHOVAH... God was delighted with the massacre: "And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou hast done well in executing right in mine eyes, hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the 4th generation shall sit on the throne of Israel." Mind enlightening what book/verse that is from please?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/13/12 05:30 PM
The LORD delivers 10,000 Canaanites and Perizzites for slaughter in Bezek. As part of the fun 71 kings have their thumbs and big toes cut off. (Judges 1.2,7) "And the LORD said, Judah shall go up: behold, I have delivered the land into his hand ... Then Judah went up, and the Lord delivered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand; and they killed ten thousand men at Bezek." God gave them that land. If they would have just handed it over being obedient to the Lord, nobody would have had to been killed. They brought it upon themselves through their disobedience. The only reward for sin is death. Sin = Disobedience to the Lord thy God. Which proves, once again, that god is not forgiving or merciful.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 06/13/12 05:30 PM
In the Jewish faith, the Mark of Cain is consider the first act of G-d's mercy.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/13/12 05:31 PM
The most disturbing aspect of Yahweh’s humanoid personality, however, is his blood-lust. The smell of burning flesh is a ‘sweet savour unto the lord’ – so sweet, in fact, that the phrase appears in the Old Testament no fewer than twenty-three times. The butchery demanded by god is truly monumental. Believers are required to sacrifice two lambs day-by-day continuously – and that’s just for starters! Just as well Yahweh had several thousand priests to help him trough through the banquet! Livestock bears the brunt of god’s appetite but humans could so easily get the chop from the big guy. God kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Poor Onan was zapped for using the withdrawal method of birth control (Genesis 38.10). But such isolated vindictiveness palls in comparison with the mass killings of the Lord. When the autocratic Moses faces a rebellion led by Korah, God uses an earthquake and fire to consume two hundred and fifty rebels. When indignant sympathizers protest at the injustice, God wipes out another fourteen thousand seven hundred with a plague (Numbers 16). What a guy! kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Numbers 4:15 15 And when Aaron and his sons have made an end of covering the sanctuary, and all the vessels of the sanctuary, as the camp is to set forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to bear it: but they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die. These things are the burden of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation. -------------- He was not to touch the ark, it was a holy thing. God told them not to touch less you die. He touched it, so he died. Which proves that god is not merciful or forgiving. Did he ask for forgiveness? No, he did not. Therefore there was nothing to "forgive". It doesn't give a time span between him touching the ark and him being punished.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/13/12 05:32 PM
A GOD OF WAR IS JEHOVAH... God was delighted with the massacre: "And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou hast done well in executing right in mine eyes, hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the 4th generation shall sit on the throne of Israel." Mind enlightening what book/verse that is from please? (2 Kings 10.19.30) "Jehu said to the guard and to the captains, Go in, slay them; let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword; and the guard and the captains cast them out, and went to the city of the house of Baal. And they brought forth the images out of the house of Baal, and burned them." "And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou hast done well in executing right in mine eyes, hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the 4th generation shall sit on the throne of Israel."

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/13/12 05:33 PM
The most disturbing aspect of Yahweh’s humanoid personality, however, is his blood-lust. The smell of burning flesh is a ‘sweet savour unto the lord’ – so sweet, in fact, that the phrase appears in the Old Testament no fewer than twenty-three times. The butchery demanded by god is truly monumental. Believers are required to sacrifice two lambs day-by-day continuously – and that’s just for starters! Just as well Yahweh had several thousand priests to help him trough through the banquet! Livestock bears the brunt of god’s appetite but humans could so easily get the chop from the big guy. God kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Poor Onan was zapped for using the withdrawal method of birth control (Genesis 38.10). But such isolated vindictiveness palls in comparison with the mass killings of the Lord. When the autocratic Moses faces a rebellion led by Korah, God uses an earthquake and fire to consume two hundred and fifty rebels. When indignant sympathizers protest at the injustice, God wipes out another fourteen thousand seven hundred with a plague (Numbers 16). What a guy! kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Numbers 4:15 15 And when Aaron and his sons have made an end of covering the sanctuary, and all the vessels of the sanctuary, as the camp is to set forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to bear it: but they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die. These things are the burden of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation. -------------- He was not to touch the ark, it was a holy thing. God told them not to touch less you die. He touched it, so he died. Which proves that god is not merciful or forgiving. Did he ask for forgiveness? No, he did not. Therefore there was nothing to "forgive". It doesn't give a time span between him touching the ark and him being punished. Which proves he is not merciful or forgiving.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/13/12 05:36 PM
A GOD OF WAR IS JEHOVAH... God was delighted with the massacre: "And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou hast done well in executing right in mine eyes, hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the 4th generation shall sit on the throne of Israel." Mind enlightening what book/verse that is from please? (2 Kings 10.19.30) "Jehu said to the guard and to the captains, Go in, slay them; let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword; and the guard and the captains cast them out, and went to the city of the house of Baal. And they brought forth the images out of the house of Baal, and burned them." "And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou hast done well in executing right in mine eyes, hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the 4th generation shall sit on the throne of Israel." 2 Kings 10:19 19 Now therefore call unto me all the prophets of Baal, all his servants, and all his priests; let none be wanting: for I have a great sacrifice to do to Baal; whosoever shall be wanting, he shall not live. But Jehu did it in subtilty, to the intent that he might destroy the worshippers of Baal. They were punished for their worshipping of Baal. Heck that's one of the 10 commandments "Thou shalt not put any gods before me. They were punished for their disobedience.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Wed 06/13/12 05:37 PM
In the Jewish faith, the Mark of Cain is consider the first act of G-d's mercy. Thank you, that is interesting.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/13/12 05:38 PM
The most disturbing aspect of Yahweh’s humanoid personality, however, is his blood-lust. The smell of burning flesh is a ‘sweet savour unto the lord’ – so sweet, in fact, that the phrase appears in the Old Testament no fewer than twenty-three times. The butchery demanded by god is truly monumental. Believers are required to sacrifice two lambs day-by-day continuously – and that’s just for starters! Just as well Yahweh had several thousand priests to help him trough through the banquet! Livestock bears the brunt of god’s appetite but humans could so easily get the chop from the big guy. God kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Poor Onan was zapped for using the withdrawal method of birth control (Genesis 38.10). But such isolated vindictiveness palls in comparison with the mass killings of the Lord. When the autocratic Moses faces a rebellion led by Korah, God uses an earthquake and fire to consume two hundred and fifty rebels. When indignant sympathizers protest at the injustice, God wipes out another fourteen thousand seven hundred with a plague (Numbers 16). What a guy! kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Numbers 4:15 15 And when Aaron and his sons have made an end of covering the sanctuary, and all the vessels of the sanctuary, as the camp is to set forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to bear it: but they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die. These things are the burden of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation. -------------- He was not to touch the ark, it was a holy thing. God told them not to touch less you die. He touched it, so he died. Which proves that god is not merciful or forgiving. Did he ask for forgiveness? No, he did not. Therefore there was nothing to "forgive". It doesn't give a time span between him touching the ark and him being punished. Which proves he is not merciful or forgiving. How can he forgive someone(s) if they do not ask for it? Again, it doesn't give a time span between the touching and the judgement. Heck even if it was right there and then, he could have taken his hand off the ark and asked for forgiveness. But he did no such thing. God is merciful and forgiving if it is requested and is truly sought after. Asking someone for forgiveness isn't just asking them to forgive you, it is saying you're sorry and you won't do it again.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/13/12 05:41 PM
God of war, YHWH YHWH was understood as the divine warrior…YHWH intervened not only to help the army on the battlefield but He also marched in front of the king and soldiers…The victory after the battles was given to YHWH, and the spoils obtained were dedicated to YHWH and His treasures. When the angels saw that God was waging war against the Egyptians on the sea, they came to His aid. Some came carrying swords and others carrying bows or lances. God said to them, “I do not need your aid, for when I go to battle, I go alone.” That is why it is said that Yahweh is a man of war (Exod. 15:3).