Topic: Why Ireland supports Palestine...
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Sat 06/16/12 06:52 PM

Israel built a "security fence" AFTER suffering hundreds of suicide bombings, daily TERRORIST attacks, 850 deaths, and thousands wounded....
Many nations, including the US, have used this technique to protect their boarders...Get this, after condemning Israel's "security fence" the UN announced plans to build their own security fence around their NY headquarters...laugh


That doesn't surprise me!laugh

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Sat 06/16/12 07:31 PM


Israel built a "security fence" AFTER suffering hundreds of suicide bombings, daily TERRORIST attacks, 850 deaths, and thousands wounded....
Many nations, including the US, have used this technique to protect their boarders...Get this, after condemning Israel's "security fence" the UN announced plans to build their own security fence around their NY headquarters...laugh


That doesn't surprise me!laugh


:tongue: Imagine what they would build if they lost 850 of their own..The Great Wall of Chinatown...laugh

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Sat 06/16/12 07:41 PM
Did you know that in Ireland the most prominent supporters of the Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign (IPSC) are the academics and the trade union movement?... The call for a boycott of Israel has been endorsed by the Irish Congress of Trade Unions (ICTU); IMPACT, the largest public-sector union in the Republic of Ireland; and the Northern Ireland Public Service Alliance (NIPSA), the largest public-sector union in Northern Ireland....

Israel is a soft target in Ireland as there is very little organized opposition to the boycott calls....

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Sat 06/16/12 07:52 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 06/16/12 07:58 PM
Its pretty bad when governments (and countries) are so hated (and so afraid) that they have to start building walls around themselves for protection.








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Sat 06/16/12 08:11 PM
Did you know that In 1904, Limerick’s Jewish community was devastated by an infamous pogrom that saw them largely driven from the city. The words that catalysed this pogrom came from a Catholic priest..."The Jews, said Father John Creagh (who kick-started the activity), are usurers, freemasons, Christ-killers."

Only two people of national standing spoke out in condemnation...Michael Davitt and John Redmond...
Davitt said: "I protest as an Irishman and as a Catholic against the barbarous malignancy of anti-semitism which is being introduced into Ireland under the pretended regard for the welfare of the Irish people."

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Sat 06/16/12 10:41 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Sat 06/16/12 10:53 PM
I realize that this is a tangent (not the main topic), but I want to respond to a wild claim made in an earlier post.


Did you know that The Bush Family helped organize and supported the third Reich?


This claim is a rumor that has been demonstrated to be false.

If you want the facts, then click here and here and here.

I will quote a portion of a report written by historian Herbert Parmet:

One prominent critic of the [Bush] administration in Washington, journalist Joe Conason, while acknowledging that the “involvement of Prescott Sr. and other members of the American business aristocracy with Nazi-era industry was shameful,” protests that “neither his offenses, nor the Republican Party’s politics of personal destruction, can justify using such [smear] tactics. Imputing Nazi sympathies to the President or his family ought to beneath his adversaries.


I was quite surprised by what I found when I googled the above-quoted claim about the Bush family. After President George W. Bush entered the White House, people opposed to Bush's presidency began spreading stories about an alleged tie between Bush's family and Adolph Hitler. The stories became more frequent in 2003 after President Bush sent the U.S. military into Iraq.

In 2004, anti-war journalist John Buchanan decided to run against Bush in the New Hampshire Republican Primary. Buchanan is one of the two main people traveling around the USA promoting the accusation against the Bush family. In one interview (I lost the link to it; sorry) Buchanan claimed that the major American news outlets - New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, ABC, etc. - all had the same information about the Bush family that Buchanan had, but they refused to report any of it.

The claim made against the Bush family gained steam when the UK newspaper The Guardian published a story about the claim less than two months before the 2004 presidential election. You can read that newspaper story by clicking here.

The newspaper story describes how Prescott Bush was associated with business dealings involving German industrialist Fritz Thyssen. Indeed, Thyssen was an early supporter of Adolf Hitler and made financial contributions to the Nazi Party. However, Thyssen had a change of heart after Hitler became Germany's dictator and started opposing Nazi policies. Thyssen escaped to Switzerland after the German army invaded Poland. He then made the mistake of moving to France, where the Nazis captured him. Thyssen was eventually placed in the Dachau concentration camp.

Prescott Bush was a director of a bank that had been controlled by Thyssen while Thyssen favored Hitler. The assets of that bank were seized by the U.S. government because the bank had benefitted Nazi Germany. Allegedly, Bush owned one share of stock in the bank and later sold the share for a sum of more than one million dollars. However, as The Guardian states, there is no documentary evidence to support this allegation.

That Prescott Bush had business ties to German-controlled companies is a fact not in dispute. However, that fact does not imply that Bush purposefully supported - or was sympathetic towards - Hitler or the Nazis. Also, it does not imply that any of Bush's relatives supported Hitler and the Nazis.

The claim that "the Bush Family helped organize and supported the third Reich" is a gross distortion of the facts.

P.S.: I do not mean to imply that the person who posted the above-mentioned claim about the Bush family actually believes it herself. I believe that she was simply stating what some conspiracy theorists are saying.

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Sat 06/16/12 10:54 PM
Why does it not surprise me? Hamas would make willing customers for former IRA gun runners. They probably traffic the drugs to them as well.

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Sun 06/17/12 06:10 AM
Did you know that anti-Semitism in Ireland has a long history?...Ireland has been vehemently anti-Israel both politically and culturally for decades...It seems the ONLY other issue that surpasses Ireland's pro Palestine, anti-Israel attitude is their desire for more sovereignty....

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Sun 06/17/12 06:19 AM
Your clearly baiting it makes you look foolish with this topic, no one grabbed more Nazis than the United States under operation paper clip.

If your not informed on the topic or have a selective memory google it.

Werner Von Braun the father of the US space program was a high ranking Nazi we smuggled him in under operation paper clip.


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Sun 06/17/12 07:36 AM

Your clearly baiting it makes you look foolish with this topic, no one grabbed more Nazis than the United States under operation paper clip.

If your not informed on the topic or have a selective memory google it.

Werner Von Braun the father of the US space program was a high ranking Nazi we smuggled him in under operation paper clip.




you are right..

the world would have been a much better place if Stalin would have had all the German scientists.

I am quite certain he would have used all their combined expertise to exact a more peaceful world..


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Sun 06/17/12 08:23 AM


Your clearly baiting it makes you look foolish with this topic, no one grabbed more Nazis than the United States under operation paper clip.

If your not informed on the topic or have a selective memory google it.

Werner Von Braun the father of the US space program was a high ranking Nazi we smuggled him in under operation paper clip.




you are right..

the world would have been a much better place if Stalin would have had all the German scientists.

I am quite certain he would have used all their combined expertise to exact a more peaceful world..




laugh If he didn't shoot them first....

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Sun 06/17/12 09:10 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 06/17/12 09:47 AM
America used the Nazi scientists for MK Ultra and other horrible experiments on humans. Not to mention that Operation Paper Clip was completely illegal. Most of these Nazis should have been prosecuted and jailed for war their crimes.

Hitler did not come into power on his own accord. Everyone knows that any dictator or President who comes into power does so with the support of people with power, money, and influence. If you want to deny the reports of the British family or others then see if you can come up with and answer to the question. Who helped Hitler, who supported Hitler. International Banks always fund wars. Now everyone wants to deny they had anything to do with Hitler and they are just liars. He had plenty of support.

Using the expression "anti-Semitism" reveals a gross ignorance of what that word actually means and it implies a prejudice against ethnicity. It is rude name-calling. The criminals that are behind the dire financial condition of this world are hiding behind their fake claim of being "Jewish" and they whine and cry about being criticized for their crimes. They LOVE to see and use the ridiculous expression "anti-Semitism."

Currently, America and the rest of the world is involved in the greatest incident of wealth transfer in the history of the world. That is when the filthy rich get richer and the rest of the world loses their wealth. Money is becoming worthless and hyper Inflation is on the verge of taking down this country. And guess who will profit when that happens? Rothschilds and Rockefellers and there families of filthy rich bankers who own this world.

We are headed strait for the greatest depression in the history of the world and if you want to take part in this kind of petty stupid name calling and propaganda then enjoy yourself.

There are only two sides to these wars, and it is us, the average citizen against the war lords and bankers who are stealing YOUR LAND AND YOUR WEALTH.

WAKE UP AND LOOK AROUND. Stop wasting your time defending any of them.








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Sun 06/17/12 09:51 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 06/17/12 09:52 AM

Did you know that anti-Semitism in Ireland has a long history?...Ireland has been vehemently anti-Israel both politically and culturally for decades...It seems the ONLY other issue that surpasses Ireland's pro Palestine, anti-Israel attitude is their desire for more sovereignty....


Being anti-Israel is not ant-Semitism. You only make yourself look bad when you use slurs like that.

And what is wrong with having a desire for more sovereignty?

As I see it, Ireland loves and fights for freedom.





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Sun 06/17/12 09:56 AM


Did you know that anti-Semitism in Ireland has a long history?...Ireland has been vehemently anti-Israel both politically and culturally for decades...It seems the ONLY other issue that surpasses Ireland's pro Palestine, anti-Israel attitude is their desire for more sovereignty....


Being anti-Israel is not ant-Semitism. You only make yourself look bad when you use slurs like that.

And what is wrong with having a desire for more sovereignty?

As I see it, Ireland loves and fights for freedom.







Opinions are fine and welcome on this thread...

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Sun 06/17/12 10:13 AM

Did you know that anti-Semitism in Ireland has a long history?...Ireland has been vehemently anti-Israel both politically and culturally for decades...It seems the ONLY other issue that surpasses Ireland's pro Palestine, anti-Israel attitude is their desire for more sovereignty....


De Valera had a lot to do with Ireland's hatred of everything.

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Sun 06/17/12 10:27 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 06/17/12 10:28 AM
So is there anything wrong with having a desire for more sovereignty?

And is this thread an anti-Ireland thread?










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Sun 06/17/12 10:32 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 06/17/12 10:36 AM


Did you know that anti-Semitism in Ireland has a long history?...Ireland has been vehemently anti-Israel both politically and culturally for decades...It seems the ONLY other issue that surpasses Ireland's pro Palestine, anti-Israel attitude is their desire for more sovereignty....


De Valera had a lot to do with Ireland's hatred of everything.



De Valera was a leader of Ireland's struggle for independence from Britain in the War of Independence.

Again, I see nothing wrong with a desire for freedom, independence, and sovereignty.

Are you advocating a one world government by dissing countries who are willing to fight for freedom and sovereignty?

The British did a lot of horrible things in their desire to be in control.

They are still doing them.

In fact the origin of most of these evil psychopaths is Europe. And they think they are so civilized. laugh







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Sun 06/17/12 11:07 AM

So is there anything wrong with having a desire for more sovereignty?

And is this thread an anti-Ireland thread?












No...

Not in my mind....

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Sun 06/17/12 11:28 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 06/17/12 11:57 AM
In my mind, people who are known to fight for Freedom and sovereignty tend to do battle with those who want to enslave and rule them and others, and tax them.


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Sun 06/17/12 12:11 PM
Aer Lingus secretly trained Egyptian Air Force
By Brian Hutton
Thursday, December 31, 2009
AER LINGUS was advised to keep secret its training of the Egyptian Air Force in 1978.
Confidential papers show top Government officials were nervous about giving the North African country aviation expertise during a critical stage of the Middle East conflict.

Egypt was in negotiations with Israel at the time, but the warring neighbours were still more than a year away from signing a peace treaty.

Files released into the National Archives in Dublin show Aer Lingus was asked by aircraft manufacturers Rolls Royce and Hawker-Siddley to train dozens of Egyptian Air Force personnel. Under the deal, it would also help set up a "standards laboratory" outside Cairo for both civil and military uses.

When the Government learned of the plan, it asked for details from Aer Lingus.

In a security assessment, a top Government official said his first reaction was for the national airliner not to get involved because Egypt remained one of the main parties to the Middle East conflict.

But he added: "On reflection, however, though still nervous about it and about possible publicity, I am inclined to think that we should not recommend to the minister that he should seek to block it."

The Government’s thinking was that Egypt was not in direct confrontation with Israel at the time, but it was worried the situation could change.

It was also argued that because Egypt was turning away from the former Soviet Union – to which it was formerly aligned during the Cold War – there was a responsibility on Ireland, as part of the West, not to rebuff it.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/aer-lingus-secretly-trained-egyptian-air-force-108709.html