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Topic: The American Holocaust
Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Tue 10/09/12 10:30 AM
Liberals just love keepin racism and anti-semitism alive! yeah, its talking about things like racism and bigotry that keeps them 'alive' hey, why dont we stop talking about poverty too,, see if that makes it disappear,,, Sorry but you can't compare something physical to a mindset. racism isnt just a mindset, racism MANIFESTS in discrimination and ACTIONS and INJUSTICES That doesn't disprove my point. If everyone I'm the world decided to change their mindset on racism it's gone overnight. The same can't be said for poverty. avoiding conversation is not the same as changing mindests,,, Yes but not discussing racism could prevent younger generations from being exposed to it and lead to a lowering of racism. Racism is taught. Poverty isn't.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Tue 10/09/12 10:32 AM
next thing we know they will accuse Columbus of having caused Global Warming! Just genocide, rape and enslavement. That legacy is well documented. Mongolian Invasion and the Persian empire. This thread is about the The American Holocaust of Native Americans. Deal with it..... Except there was no such thing. Deal with it.

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Tue 10/09/12 10:40 AM
next thing we know they will accuse Columbus of having caused Global Warming! Just genocide, rape and enslavement. That legacy is well documented. Mongolian Invasion and the Persian empire. This thread is about the The American Holocaust of Native Americans. Deal with it..... Except there was no such thing. Deal with it. Looks like the Cow[boys] are still around..speaking with forked tounge

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Tue 10/09/12 10:41 AM
It is seldom noted anywhere in fact, be it in textbooks or on the internet, that Hitler studied Americas Indian policy, and used it as a model for what he termed the final solution.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Tue 10/09/12 10:51 AM
It is seldom noted anywhere in fact, be it in textbooks or on the internet, that Hitler studied Americas Indian policy, and used it as a model for what he termed the final solution. Really? Except for your facts don't check out. Estimation of Max north American Indians were 8-18 million and estimated death are 90% from disease. And most deaths were before America was even a country. But I guess you consider the black death a European Holocaust don't you?

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Tue 10/09/12 10:59 AM
American Holocaust of Native American Indians (FULL Documentary) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTrbVf6SrCc

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Tue 10/09/12 11:08 AM
American Holocaust of Native American Indians (FULL Documentary) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTrbVf6SrCc Yes because we all know YouTube is backed up by scientific data. Facts don't lie. Can't argue the points I made yourself?

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Tue 10/09/12 11:58 AM
next thing we know they will accuse Columbus of having caused Global Warming! Just genocide, rape and enslavement. That legacy is well documented. Mongolian Invasion and the Persian empire. This thread is about the The American Holocaust of Native Americans. Deal with it..... Columbus certainly cannot be held responsible for everything that any immigrant to North America ever did. What happened to the Native Americans was a horrible tragedy but involved a large number of immigrants from all the European countries which were colonizing North and South America at the time. It is likely that many more were killed and abused in South America than in North America actually. The history of humankind is replete with such incidents of clashes of cultures and dominance and one can decry them all from the Hawaiian Islands to African slave trade and the Mongolian Invasion and the Persian empire. Fortunately many people survived to carry on some of the cultural traditions and for that at least we can be grateful. And now we can stand up against those who vow to "wipe" others from the face of the map like Iran's and other Arab and radical Islamist promises against the Jews of Israel. And we do stand up against such ignorant extremism and expose such efforts as bigotry and hatred of the vilest sort. =-=-= Fixed it. What I was saying is that the abuses of the Native Americans were not due to Christopher Columbus and fall short of genocide...while other historical campaigns also abused various populations and some like the calls from Iran actually do appear to be calls for genocide. It is hypocritical of course to lament the Native American's loss of their homelands on the one hand and on the other hand advocate that the Jews be forced out of their homeland in Israel. I propose we do stand up against such ignorant extremism and expose such efforts as bigotry and hatred of the vilest sort.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 10/09/12 11:59 AM
Liberals just love keepin racism and anti-semitism alive! yeah, its talking about things like racism and bigotry that keeps them 'alive' hey, why dont we stop talking about poverty too,, see if that makes it disappear,,, Sorry but you can't compare something physical to a mindset. racism isnt jus t a mindset, racism MANIFESTS in discrimination and ACTIONS and INJUSTICES T hat doesn't disprove my point. If everyone I'm the world decided to change their mindset on racism it's gone overnight. The same can't be said for poverty. [/qu ote] avoiding conversation is not the same as changing mindests,,, Yes but not discussing racism could prevent younger generations from being exposed to it and lead to a lowering of racism. Racism is taught. Poverty isn't. Not discussing racism will not prevent a younger generation from being exposed to ignorence. Not discussing it is but a mere attempt at denial, to pretend is the same as not discussing it. Our next generation is assured being exposed to it by our denial today.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Tue 10/09/12 12:06 PM
Why is it that we never hear of this holocaust. 100 Million The OP is false....There is no need to lie, the truth was bad enough... Here is the conclusion from an article titled "WERE AMERICAN INDIANS THE VICTIMS OF GENOCIDE?"...A good read for anyone interested in a well capsuled version of the truth..... In the end, the sad fate of America's Indians represents not a crime but a tragedy, involving an irreconcilable collision of cultures and values. Despite the efforts of well-meaning people in both camps, there existed no good solution to this clash. The Indians were not prepared to give up the nomadic life of the hunter for the sedentary life of the farmer. The new Americans, convinced of their cultural and racial superiority, were unwilling to grant the original inhabitants of the continent the vast preserve of land required by the Indians’ way of life. The consequence was a conflict in which there were few heroes, but which was far from a simple tale of hapless victims and merciless aggressors. To fling the charge of genocide at an entire society serves neither the interests of the Indians nor those of history. http://hnn.us/articles/7302.html I agree that in general the battles with varying tribes did not constitute genocide of the entire Native American population. Even the Trail of Tears clearly stopped short of genocide. As abusive as the relocation was, it did not end with massacre of the survivors like it does in historical genocides.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 10/09/12 12:22 PM
It is seldom noted anywhere in fact, be it in textbooks or on the internet, that Hitler studied Americas Indian policy, and used it as a model for what he termed the final solution. didn't need to! Had the Blueprint right from the Armenian Genocide,along with one of the Architects of it,Amin al-Husseini!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 10/09/12 12:26 PM
Liberals just love keepin racism and anti-semitism alive! yeah, its talking about things like racism and bigotry that keeps them 'alive' hey, why dont we stop talking about poverty too,, see if that makes it disappear,,, Sorry but you can't compare something physical to a mindset. racism isnt jus t a mindset, racism MANIFESTS in discrimination and ACTIONS and INJUSTICES T hat doesn't disprove my point. If everyone I'm the world decided to change their mindset on racism it's gone overnight. The same can't be said for poverty. [/qu ote] avoiding conversation is not the same as changing mindests,,, Yes but not discussing racism could prevent younger generations from being exposed to it and lead to a lowering of racism. Racism is taught. Poverty isn't. Not discussing racism will not prevent a younger generation from being exposed to ignorence. Not discussing it is but a mere attempt at denial, to pretend is the same as not discussing it. Our next generation is assured being exposed to it by our denial today. yep,and of course,the extermely Racist Nation Of Islam is the proper Vehicle for the discussion of Racism! About as proper as the extremist white Power Movements! Pot calling the Kettle black! Both of them are the Culprits in perpetuating Racism! Sick puppies!

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 10/09/12 01:28 PM Edited by Ras427 on Tue 10/09/12 01:31 PM
Liberals just love keepin racism and anti-semitism alive! yeah, its talking about things like racism and bigotry that keeps them 'alive' hey, why dont we stop talking about poverty too,, see if that makes it disappear,,, Sorry but you can't compare something physical to a mindset. racism isnt jus t a mindset, racism MANIFESTS in discrimination and ACTIONS and INJUSTICES T hat doesn't disprove my point. If everyone I'm the world decided to change their mindset on racism it's gone overnight. The same can't be said for poverty. [/qu ote] avoiding conversation is not the same as changing mindests,,, Yes but not discussing racism could prevent younger generations from being exposed to it and lead to a lowering of racism. Racism is taught. Poverty isn't. Not discussing racism will not prevent a younger generation from being exposed to ignorence. Not discussing it is but a mere attempt at denial, to pretend is the same as not discussing it. Our next generation is assured being exposed to it by our denial today. yep,and of course,the extermely Racist Nation Of Islam is the proper Vehicle for the discussion of Racism! About as proper as the extremist white Power Movements! Pot calling the Kettle black! Both of them are the Culprits in perpetuating Racism! Sick puppies! wrong, white power movements call for the overthrowing of the American goverment through violent revolution, hardly comparible with groups who educate their own people about historical and insti tutional racism. Just because Jewish people teach to "never forget" to their children, does not constitute racist doctrine against Germans. A rape victim is not anti man because she speaks against rape. Simple common sence. Racism is perpetrated by racists, not the reciever of racism. Speaking against it does not perpetrate it either, what maintain its cycle is conscious or lack thereof.