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Topic: If Romney wins, who will move out of the country?
InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Fri 10/12/12 01:28 PM
My ancestors where either in Canada fleeing the Germans or (on my dad's side) fleeing the the wrath of our ancestors when one of us "went with a non-royal"... So yeah, we were totally not to blame for slavery, period. We didn't even have a plantation, so I don't know why I have to work harder to support myself and my education when an African American my same age gets free rides. lol wow, you folks are seriously duped show me where you have to 'work' harder than an african american (of which I am one) and what 'free ride' my blackness affords me that INSTITUTIONALLY disadvantages another demographic,,, again, I challenge you to find a statistic that backs up such ridiculous claims,,,, and its not about 'blame' its about responsibility there is no personal blame on any one in this thread for anything someone else did, but there is a COLLECTIVE effect that the us GOVERNMENTS policies has had leading to GLARING discrepancies across race lines in wealth, employment, education , and healthcare which need to be addressed,,, addressed how? reform of the justice system, to make it more about crime and less about money reform of the educational system, to make it more about quality and less about money reform of the healthcare system,, well, thats already happening reform of the 'credit' ranking system, so it is not so much about how much debt one stays on top of ,,to name a few all the things that are so intertwined with money that make such large disparities Racially (due to the racial disparity in wealth that resulted from the years of institutional segregation and racism) need to be revisited, I agree with the justice system.. Poor people are going to jail for the same crimes rich people can pay a lawyer to get them out of.. With education... If you are disciplined and want to learn you can. We see many examples of poor people that overcame incredible odds to become successful. Clarence Thomas was the son of a sharecropper, who walked out on the family when Clarence was 2 years old..They lived in rural Georgia in a shack with dirt floors and no running water. He survived the white liberal democrats racist assault during his supreme court confirmation hearings.. Unfortunately, because he is a conservative he is not looked up to by some in his own ethnic community.. He would probably lose a popularity contest to Suge Knight or Chris Brown.. But that is for someone else to sort out.. Healthcare isn't fixed.. The rich will still get better care and when caps are placed on medicaid and medicare doctors they will stop seeing patients. Then the lines will grow, quality of care will decline and the poor will be the ones on the outside looking in.. But that will be down the road.. The credit issue.. Don't really know where you are going with that.. There is CRA and Fannie and Freddie for home loans to the poor. There is a government lending agency for practically every possible business loan. The car companies and still lending to subprime buyers. Be specific on that.. The less credit or smaller debt one has.. the better off they are in my opinion.. You can certainly blame banks for the subprime lending that led to the financial collapse, but no one pointed a gun to the borrowers head forcing them into a mortgage they knew they couldn't afford.. our credit system, which requires one to have credit to , for instance, rent a car or which requires a credit record for major purchases like home and vehicle and even jobs now but in order to have a credit record, one has to have accumulated 'bills' that they pay,, so those who dont wish to be tied to bills but to pay for the things they need, are screwed,,,, I see what you are saying just not sure how that is race based.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Fri 10/12/12 01:29 PM
and? for every list of ten you will be able to find a list of hundreds that are not black,,,, thats called 'disparity' Yeah, because they are Mexican, Chinese, Saudi, etc.... no, for every list of ten affluent black people, you can find a list of hundreds who are WHITE is that more specific? thats called DISPARITY,,,,as mentioned before Same could very said for every other minority race. See a minority is a group of people that are less populous than other groups of people. I completely understand what 'minority' means, and the disparity goes further than the numbers suggest they SHOULD so the age old excuse of it just being about the numbers doesnt hold,,, Your right, it's cultural too. That is why Asians have higher average salaries then white people.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 10/12/12 01:29 PM
not much changes does it? does anyone here realize that in the midst of slavery, many white folks believed blacks had it good and should be grateful and stop 'whining' .... lol ,,yeah, I agree, leave it alone until you can find a condition of one group that has NEVER before happened to anyone else just hope mingle doesnt go out of business while we wait,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 10/12/12 01:31 PM
and? for every list of ten you will be able to find a list of hundreds that are not black,,,, thats called 'disparity' Yeah, because they are Mexican, Chinese, Saudi, etc.... no, for every list of ten affluent black people, you can find a list of hundreds who are WHITE is that more specific? thats called DISPARITY,,,,as mentioned before Who's holding who back? Ain't no one in dem slave chains no mo. The only chains are the4 ones the wanna'-be victim puts on themselves. Or, cuz they kinky. That sounds a bit hateful towards Caucasians. Why hate on Caucasians who happen to have gotten rich or inherited wealth? Working for it is all about the want, drive, commitment and discipline it takes to get there. Or, the whiners can sit on their a$$es and play victim.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 10/12/12 01:32 PM
My ancestors where either in Canada fleeing the Germans or (on my dad's side) fleeing the the wrath of our ancestors when one of us "went with a non-royal"... So yeah, we were totally not to blame for slavery, period. We didn't even have a plantation, so I don't know why I have to work harder to support myself and my education when an African American my same age gets free rides. lol wow, you folks are seriously duped show me where you have to 'work' harder than an african american (of which I am one) and what 'free ride' my blackness affords me that INSTITUTIONALLY disadvantages another demographic,,, again, I challenge you to find a statistic that backs up such ridiculous claims,,,, and its not about 'blame' its about responsibility there is no personal blame on any one in this thread for anything someone else did, but there is a COLLECTIVE effect that the us GOVERNMENTS policies has had leading to GLARING discrepancies across race lines in wealth, employment, education , and healthcare which need to be addressed,,, addressed how? reform of the justice system, to make it more about crime and less about money reform of the educational system, to make it more about quality and less about money reform of the healthcare system,, well, thats already happening reform of the 'credit' ranking system, so it is not so much about how much debt one stays on top of ,,to name a few all the things that are so intertwined with money that make such large disparities Racially (due to the racial disparity in wealth that resulted from the years of institutional segregation and racism) need to be revisited, I agree with the justice system.. Poor people are going to jail for the same crimes rich people can pay a lawyer to get them out of.. With education... If you are disciplined and want to learn you can. We see many examples of poor people that overcame incredible odds to become successful. Clarence Thomas was the son of a sharecropper, who walked out on the family when Clarence was 2 years old..They lived in rural Georgia in a shack with dirt floors and no running water. He survived the white liberal democrats racist assault during his supreme court confirmation hearings.. Unfortunately, because he is a conservative he is not looked up to by some in his own ethnic community.. He would probably lose a popularity contest to Suge Knight or Chris Brown.. But that is for someone else to sort out.. Healthcare isn't fixed.. The rich will still get better care and when caps are placed on medicaid and medicare doctors they will stop seeing patients. Then the lines will grow, quality of care will decline and the poor will be the ones on the outside looking in.. But that will be down the road.. The credit issue.. Don't really know where you are going with that.. There is CRA and Fannie and Freddie for home loans to the poor. There is a government lending agency for practically every possible business loan. The car companies and still lending to subprime buyers. Be specific on that.. The less credit or smaller debt one has.. the better off they are in my opinion.. You can certainly blame banks for the subprime lending that led to the financial collapse, but no one pointed a gun to the borrowers head forcing them into a mortgage they knew they couldn't afford.. our credit system, which requires one to have credit to , for instance, rent a car or which requires a credit record for major purchases like home and vehicle and even jobs now but in order to have a credit record, one has to have accumulated 'bills' that they pay,, so those who dont wish to be tied to bills but to pay for the things they need, are screwed,,,, I see what you are saying just not sure how that is race based. AHAH! thank goodness for an honest and intellectual reflection it is not DIRECTLY about race but it INDIRECTLY has a disparate affect across racial lines since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority that means that those things that affect ALL americans of a certain class of wealth, will Disparately affect minorities my point is not to ignore all but minorities, but I do have an interest in seeing those things which seem to disproportionatlely affect minorities become more 'just'/'equal'

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 10/12/12 01:34 PM
and? for every list of ten you will be able to find a list of hundreds that are not black,,,, thats called 'disparity' Yeah, because they are Mexican, Chinese, Saudi, etc.... no, for every list of ten affluent black people, you can find a list of hundreds who are WHITE is that more specific? thats called DISPARITY,,,,as mentioned before Who's holding who back? Ain't no one in dem slave chains no mo. The only chains are the4 ones the wanna'-be victim puts on themselves. Or, cuz they kinky. That sounds a bit hateful towards Caucasians. Why hate on Caucasians who happen to have gotten rich or inherited wealth? Working for it is all about the want, drive, commitment and discipline it takes to get there. Or, the whiners can sit on their a$$es and play victim. and thats why the intellect is declining in this country,, keep believing all the hype the haves put out there keep acting as if the struggling americans are less than crap who are just getting their just desserts and I will pray you never end up one of those 'whiners'

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Fri 10/12/12 01:39 PM
Tied to bills? Why do you have to be tied to bills? I had a good credit score before I got my first job. Just paying your rent on time, paying your cell phone, your car insurance. I mean I guess if you are talking about people that live at home with their parents and have no phone and no transportation but public, but I don't know many of those.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 10/12/12 01:41 PM
Tied to bills? Why do you have to be tied to bills? I had a good credit score before I got my first job. Just paying your rent on time, paying your cell phone, your car insurance. I mean I guess if you are talking about people that live at home with their parents and have no phone and no transportation but public, but I don't know many of those. how did you have a credit score without a job , pray tell? how did you have any money to pay rent, or cell phone, or car insurance,,,w ithout a job , pray tell? to build a HIGH credit rating, you need to build up credit, which is done by accumulating BILLS and paying them on time,,,

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Fri 10/12/12 01:44 PM
and? for every list of ten you will be able to find a list of hundreds that are not black,,,, thats called 'disparity' Yeah, because they are Mexican, Chinese, Saudi, etc.... no, for every list of ten affluent black people, you can find a list of hundreds who are WHITE is that more specific? thats called DISPARITY,,,,as mentioned before Who's holding who back? Ain't no one in dem slave chains no mo. The only chains are the4 ones the wanna'-be victim puts on themselves. Or, cuz they kinky. That sounds a bit hateful towards Caucasians. Why hate on Caucasians who happen to have gotten rich or inherited wealth? Working for it is all about the want, drive, commitment and discipline it takes to get there. Or, the whiners can sit on their a$$es and play victim. and thats why the intellect is declining in this country,, keep believing all the hype the haves put out there keep acting as if the struggling americans are less than crap who are just getting their just desserts and I will pray you never end up one of those 'whiners' Yes because all of us haves got everything handed to us right? We never worked or struggled. None of us held a job since we were legally able, we didn't study in school to get scholarships, we didn't overcome abuse at home, bullying in school, and chronic medical conditions. We didn't go to college and choose a career field and pursue it. Nope, when we were kids some just said "I am giving you lots of money when you grow up"

HasidicEnforcer Joined Thu 12/20/07 Posts: 10235	Fri 10/12/12 01:46 PM
since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority And I reiterate: Michael Jackson Net Worth: $1 Billion – As of 2011 Michael Jordan Net Worth: $500 Million As of 2012 Oprah Winfrey Net Worth: $2.7 billion As of 2012 Shall I go on? Kobe Bryant Net Worth: $200 million As of 2012 Tiger Woods Net Worth: $600 million As of 2012 Jennifer Hudson Net Worth: $15 million As of 2012 Samuel L Jackson Net Worth: $150 million As of 2012 Halle Berry Net Worth: $70 million As of 2012 Robert Johnson Net Worth: $550 million As of 2012

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Fri 10/12/12 01:47 PM
Tied to bills? Why do you have to be tied to bills? I had a good credit score before I got my first job. Just paying your rent on time, paying your cell phone, your car insurance. I mean I guess if you are talking about people that live at home with their parents and have no phone and no transportation but public, but I don't know many of those. how did you have a credit score without a job , pray tell? how did you have any money to pay rent, or cell phone, or car insurance,,,w ithout a job , pray tell? to build a HIGH credit rating, you need to build up credit, which is done by accumulating BILLS and paying them on time,,, I worked part time in college. Just at a game store, arcades, etc. I even had a card canceled on me in college for delinquency. (This was due to the bank moving my over draft to my credit card and not sending me the bill ) By the time I graduated and got much first real job I had a score of 720.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 10/12/12 01:47 PM
and? for every list of ten you will be able to find a list of hundreds that are not black,,,, thats called 'disparity' Yeah, because they are Mexican, Chinese, Saudi, etc.... no, for every list of ten affluent black people, you can find a list of hundreds who are WHITE is that more specific? thats called DISPARITY,,,,as mentioned before Who's holding who back? Ain't no one in dem slave chains no mo. The only chains are the4 ones the wanna'-be victim puts on themselves. Or, cuz they kinky. That sounds a bit hateful towards Caucasians. Why hate on Caucasians who happen to have gotten rich or inherited wealth? Working for it is all about the want, drive, commitment and discipline it takes to get there. Or, the whiners can sit on their a$$es and play victim. and thats why the intellect is declining in this country,, keep believing all the hype the haves put out there keep acting as if the struggling americans are less than crap who are just getting their just desserts and I will pray you never end up one of those 'whiners' Yes because all of us haves got everything handed to us right? We never worked or struggled. None of us held a job since we were legally able, we didn't study in school to get scholarships, we didn't overcome abuse at home, bullying in school, and chronic medical conditions. We didn't go to college and choose a career field and pursue it. Nope, when we were kids some just said "I am giving you lots of money when you grow up" smh who said anyone had things HANDED to them? who said others dont 'overcome' things,, what has that to do with trying to correct what we can ? what has PERSONAL obstacles have to do with INSITUTIONAL ones,,, does ANYONE HERE Understand the difference between the two?

HasidicEnforcer Joined Thu 12/20/07 Posts: 10235	Fri 10/12/12 01:47 PM
and thats why the intellect is declining in this country,, keep believing all the hype the haves put out there keep acting as if the struggling americans are less than crap who are just getting their just desserts and I will pray you never end up one of those 'whiners' Yes because all of us haves got everything handed to us right? We never worked or struggled. None of us held a job since we were legally able, we didn't study in school to get scholarships, we didn't overcome abuse at home, bullying in school, and chronic medical conditions. We didn't go to college and choose a career field and pursue it. Nope, when we were kids some just said "I am giving you lots of money when you grow up" Thank you, Chaz.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 10/12/12 01:48 PM
since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority And I reiterate: Michael Jackson Net Worth: $1 Billion – As of 2011 Michael Jordan Net Worth: $500 Million As of 2012 Oprah Winfrey Net Worth: $2.7 billion As of 2012 Shall I go on? Kobe Bryant Net Worth: $200 million As of 2012 Tiger Woods Net Worth: $600 million As of 2012 Jennifer Hudson Net Worth: $15 million As of 2012 Samuel L Jackson Net Worth: $150 million As of 2012 Halle Berry Net Worth: $70 million As of 2012 Robert Johnson Net Worth: $550 million As of 2012 again, IM not talking about INDIVIDUALS, Im talking about DEMOGRAPHICS

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Fri 10/12/12 01:48 PM
Leave the personal attacks and insults off of the forums. Debate the topic not the poster Kim

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Fri 10/12/12 02:01 PM
My ancestors where either in Canada fleeing the Germans or (on my dad's side) fleeing the the wrath of our ancestors when one of us "went with a non-royal"... So yeah, we were totally not to blame for slavery, period. We didn't even have a plantation, so I don't know why I have to work harder to support myself and my education when an African American my same age gets free rides. lol wow, you folks are seriously duped show me where you have to 'work' harder than an african american (of which I am one) and what 'free ride' my blackness affords me that INSTITUTIONALLY disadvantages another demographic,,, again, I challenge you to find a statistic that backs up such ridiculous claims,,,, and its not about 'blame' its about responsibility there is no personal blame on any one in this thread for anything someone else did, but there is a COLLECTIVE effect that the us GOVERNMENTS policies has had leading to GLARING discrepancies across race lines in wealth, employment, education , and healthcare which need to be addressed,,, addressed how? reform of the justice system, to make it more about crime and less about money reform of the educational system, to make it more about quality and less about money reform of the healthcare system,, well, thats already happening reform of the 'credit' ranking system, so it is not so much about how much debt one stays on top of ,,to name a few all the things that are so intertwined with money that make such large disparities Racially (due to the racial disparity in wealth that resulted from the years of institutional segregation and racism) need to be revisited, I agree with the justice system.. Poor people are going to jail for the same crimes rich people can pay a lawyer to get them out of.. With education... If you are disciplined and want to learn you can. We see many examples of poor people that overcame incredible odds to become successful. Clarence Thomas was the son of a sharecropper, who walked out on the family when Clarence was 2 years old..They lived in rural Georgia in a shack with dirt floors and no running water. He survived the white liberal democrats racist assault during his supreme court confirmation hearings.. Unfortunately, because he is a conservative he is not looked up to by some in his own ethnic community.. He would probably lose a popularity contest to Suge Knight or Chris Brown.. But that is for someone else to sort out.. Healthcare isn't fixed.. The rich will still get better care and when caps are placed on medicaid and medicare doctors they will stop seeing patients. Then the lines will grow, quality of care will decline and the poor will be the ones on the outside looking in.. But that will be down the road.. The credit issue.. Don't really know where you are going with that.. There is CRA and Fannie and Freddie for home loans to the poor. There is a government lending agency for practically every possible business loan. The car companies and still lending to subprime buyers. Be specific on that.. The less credit or smaller debt one has.. the better off they are in my opinion.. You can certainly blame banks for the subprime lending that led to the financial collapse, but no one pointed a gun to the borrowers head forcing them into a mortgage they knew they couldn't afford.. our credit system, which requires one to have credit to , for instance, rent a car or which requires a credit record for major purchases like home and vehicle and even jobs now but in order to have a credit record, one has to have accumulated 'bills' that they pay,, so those who dont wish to be tied to bills but to pay for the things they need, are screwed,,,, I see what you are saying just not sure how that is race based. AHAH! thank goodness for an honest and intellectual reflection it is not DIRECTLY about race but it INDIRECTLY has a disparate affect across racial lines since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority that means that those things that affect ALL americans of a certain class of wealth, will Disparately affect minorities my point is not to ignore all but minorities, but I do have an interest in seeing those things which seem to disproportionatlely affect minorities become more 'just'/'equal' Are you willing to agree that there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have nothing to do with racism and that they are also a factor in wealth or educational disparity? If not, explain why..

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 10/12/12 02:03 PM
My ancestors where either in Canada fleeing the Germans or (on my dad's side) fleeing the the wrath of our ancestors when one of us "went with a non-royal"... So yeah, we were totally not to blame for slavery, period. We didn't even have a plantation, so I don't know why I have to work harder to support myself and my education when an African American my same age gets free rides. lol wow, you folks are seriously duped show me where you have to 'work' harder than an african american (of which I am one) and what 'free ride' my blackness affords me that INSTITUTIONALLY disadvantages another demographic,,, again, I challenge you to find a statistic that backs up such ridiculous claims,,,, and its not about 'blame' its about responsibility there is no personal blame on any one in this thread for anything someone else did, but there is a COLLECTIVE effect that the us GOVERNMENTS policies has had leading to GLARING discrepancies across race lines in wealth, employment, education , and healthcare which need to be addressed,,, addressed how? reform of the justice system, to make it more about crime and less about money reform of the educational system, to make it more about quality and less about money reform of the healthcare system,, well, thats already happening reform of the 'credit' ranking system, so it is not so much about how much debt one stays on top of ,,to name a few all the things that are so intertwined with money that make such large disparities Racially (due to the racial disparity in wealth that resulted from the years of institutional segregation and racism) need to be revisited, I agree with the justice system.. Poor people are going to jail for the same crimes rich people can pay a lawyer to get them out of.. With education... If you are disciplined and want to learn you can. We see many examples of poor people that overcame incredible odds to become successful. Clarence Thomas was the son of a sharecropper, who walked out on the family when Clarence was 2 years old..They lived in rural Georgia in a shack with dirt floors and no running water. He survived the white liberal democrats racist assault during his supreme court confirmation hearings.. Unfortunately, because he is a conservative he is not looked up to by some in his own ethnic community.. He would probably lose a popularity contest to Suge Knight or Chris Brown.. But that is for someone else to sort out.. Healthcare isn't fixed.. The rich will still get better care and when caps are placed on medicaid and medicare doctors they will stop seeing patients. Then the lines will grow, quality of care will decline and the poor will be the ones on the outside looking in.. But that will be down the road.. The credit issue.. Don't really know where you are going with that.. There is CRA and Fannie and Freddie for home loans to the poor. There is a government lending agency for practically every possible business loan. The car companies and still lending to subprime buyers. Be specific on that.. The less credit or smaller debt one has.. the better off they are in my opinion.. You can certainly blame banks for the subprime lending that led to the financial collapse, but no one pointed a gun to the borrowers head forcing them into a mortgage they knew they couldn't afford.. our credit system, which requires one to have credit to , for instance, rent a car or which requires a credit record for major purchases like home and vehicle and even jobs now but in order to have a credit record, one has to have accumulated 'bills' that they pay,, so those who dont wish to be tied to bills but to pay for the things they need, are screwed,,,, I see what you are saying just not sure how that is race based. AHAH! thank goodness for an honest and intellectual reflection it is not DIRECTLY about race but it INDIRECTLY has a disparate affect across racial lines since wealth has not been attained amongst blacks in this country, nor a network of resources and references that is equal to the majority that means that those things that affect ALL americans of a certain class of wealth, will Disparately affect minorities my point is not to ignore all but minorities, but I do have an interest in seeing those things which seem to disproportionatlely affect minorities become more 'just'/'equal' Are you willing to agree that there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have nothing to do with racism and that they are also a factor in wealth or educational disparity? If not, explain why.. I can agree not every issue that minorities face is due to racism, can you agree there is a subset of issues plaguing the minority communities that have EVERYTHING to do with the wealth and resources disparity created by centuries of institutional racism?

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Fri 10/12/12 02:18 PM
Gee, if msharmony is correct, then I wonder how all of my high school classmates were able to achieve their goals. Here is a group photo from my recent 30-year high school class reunion: When I was born, my high school was an all-black high school located a few short miles from the site of a race riot that took place in 1921. My black classmates were determined not to let any racism prevent them from achieving their goals, and they didn't. The harsh reality is that a complete elimination of institutional racism doesn't result in economic equality for all. When the playing field is level, there will still be losers because not everyone is equally talented. The fact that you lost and someone else won doesn't imply that the other person had an unfair advantage.

HasidicEnforcer Joined Thu 12/20/07 Posts: 10235	Fri 10/12/12 02:22 PM
Gee, if msharmony is correct, then I wonder how all of my high school classmates were able to achieve their goals. Here is a group photo from my recent 30-year high school class reunion: When I was born, my high school was an all-black high school located a few short miles from the site of a race riot that took place in 1921. My black classmates were determined not to let any racism prevent them from achieving their goals, and they didn't. The harsh reality is that a complete elimination of institutional racism doesn't result in economic equality for all. When the playing field is level, there will still be losers because not everyone is equally talented. The fact that you lost and someone else won doesn't imply that the other person had an unfair advantage. Thank you

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 10/12/12 02:23 PM
Gee, if msharmony is correct, then I wonder how all of my high school classmates were able to achieve their goals. Here is a group photo from my recent 30-year high school class reunion: When I was born, my high school was an all-black high school located a few short miles from the site of a race riot that took place in 1921. My black classmates were determined not to let any racism prevent them from achieving their goals, and they didn't. The harsh reality is that a complete elimination of institutional racism doesn't result in economic equality for all. When the playing field is level, there will still be losers because not everyone is equally talented. The fact that you lost and someone else won doesn't imply that the other person had an unfair advantage. again with INDIVIDUALS I am happy for your class DODO but that also does nothing to refute the DEMOGRAPHICS of how wealth and opportunity are tied to race in this country,,, we all 'lose' and 'win' at different points in life, but that is no excuse to avoid attacking those things which 'stack the odds' against some for reasons they have NO CONTROL OVER (their history in the US)