A real woman must be femine,humble,neat,submissive,a help mate,royal,a mother,caring,a good cook and sexy. That is what will make your man crazy about you he will always wanna be with you.No reasonable man can resist a real woman. Let me know what you think.

I think that there is no such thing as human nature and when you talk about what men want women to be like you should really talk about an ideal woman rather than a "real" one.

Do I want a woman to be submisive or do I want one of these "modern feminist "I don't really need a man and I'm not going to take any rubbish from them" types? Well, the submisive ones don't really exist anymore and that only leaves women that are going to be dificult or impossible.

Don't you think you're painting with just a bit of a broad brush there? Leaving aside the question of why a woman SHOULD take rubbush from a man (would a man take it from a woman? No), have you considered that a woman who is non-submissive and is her own person (which is really all that feminism is anyway) might actually be more interesting as a partner?

Intelligent men who are secure in their own personhood and masculinity generally find themselves more attracted to a woman who is herself a secure and independent-minded person, because they can find more to talk about and they meet on much more level ground. At least that's been my experience with the men I've dated -- the best ones have always been attracted to a woman who can actually provide a bit of challenge. That isn't the same as being "difficult or impossible"... it just means that she thinks for herself and doesn't wait for a man to tell her what to think or say or do. Obviously, in a relationship, both partners have to employ some give and take to make things work, but each ought to be a person in their own right.

I just think that women are dificult.

Perhaps women just appear to be difficult to a man who is difficult.

I just think that women are dificult.

I accept that no woman is going to take any rubbish from me and I don't really want to take any rubbish from women. I often have to though.

Now, the argument is that there is no contradiction in a woman saying that she doesn't need a man but that she would like one. She somehow wants a man without needing one. She is, in fact, unsure if she really wants a man. Do you follow me?

They say that they are already happy and they don't need a man to make them happy but they are on a dating site looking for a man. Why?

It seems plausible to conclude that they are not entirely happy because they don't have a man or that they think that they might be happier if they had one.

Granted, a woman that just agreed with everything that I said would be a bit boring but if I am not myself being unreasonable it is not unreasonable of me to expect a woman to submit to my will. If I am prepared to submit to a woman's will in certain matters why should I not expect her to also go along with what I really want if I am not being unreasonable?

To quote the great Marilyn Monroe...
"If you can't handle the worst of me,
you don't deserve the best of me"

I just think that women are dificult.

Now, the argument is that there is no contradiction in a woman saying that she doesn't need a man but that she would like one. She somehow wants a man without needing one. She is, in fact, unsure if she really wants a man. Do you follow me?

They say that they are already happy and they don't need a man to make them happy but they are on a dating site looking for a man. Why?

It seems plausible to conclude that they are not entirely happy because they don't have a man or that they think that they might be happier if they had one.

Granted, a woman that just agreed with everything that I said would be a bit boring but if I am not myself being unreasonable it is not unreasonable of me to expect a woman to submit to my will. If I am prepared to submit to a woman's will in certain matters why should I not expect her to also go along with what I really want if I am not being unreasonable?

Perhaps women just appear to be difficult to a man who is difficult.

I think we can be, but I don't think it's any more inherent a quality than it is in men. And men can be difficult too.

Well, if I am arguing that there is no such thing as human nature I'm obviously going to give you that.


Not really. If you say you want a cup of tea, does that mean you actually NEED one, or just that you would like one? And does it mean that you are unsure whether you want one?

Well, I could have the desire to have a cup of tea or a cigarette or some chocolate etc but I could still be unsure as to whether or not I really wanted to actually have one of those things.

It's the same thing. She may very well not REQUIRE a man, but that doesn't change the fact that she would enjoy having one around. I see the same thing in men all the time. They don't necessarily NEED a woman, but they'd like one. Is that a concept that you find contradictory as well? I'm sincerely curious.

What I am saying is based on observation. I have talked to women about this and they do seem rather unsure about it. I don't just mean that they are unsure about me personally.


Because the people who are already happy in their lives actually make the best partners. Why is that? Well, because they aren't going to put pressure on you to be the thing that makes them happy, and thus conversely, aren't as likely to blame you on those occasions when they are unhappy about something.

An analogy: I really don't need a new pair of earrings, but that doesn't mean I might not decide I would like some, and go shopping for them. Haven't you ever decided you want something you don't necessarily need?

Yes I have. There's also something that people do that's known as "window shopping". Maybe someone goes out without any real intention or desire to make a purchase but they still sometimes do buy on an impulse or somebody talks them into it.

Here's another analogy: I really don't need to win the lottery but I want to though. I'm not sure that it would really make me happy but it is something that I fantasise about.


Seems more likely to me that they're fairly happy, but think they might be even happier if they had the RIGHT man. Doesn't mean they need just any man, nor that they can't be content without one. I guess I just don't see what's so difficult to grasp about that, in either gender.

"A man" or "the right man", whatever. You are saying that if they don't find one suited to them they might decide that they will either do without one or just wait for the "right one" to come along apparently. They might just decide that they are content without one. Back we go to whether or not they really want a man to make them happy or happier than they are.


But that isn't what 'submissive' means in the context of this thread. The idea that a woman (specifically a woman) should be 'submissive' or else she isn't a 'real' woman is basically built on the idea that men get to tell women what to do and women submit to the man's will... with no mention of it ever going the other direction. What you've described in this last section is more along the lines of the sort of egalitarian give-and-take necessary in a healthy relationship.

I don't really care what the OP intended by the term and that's an antiquated stereotype anyway.

I prefer real women over fake any day. When they take of the skirt and there is a third leg, run for the hills.

Now what traits make a woman a real woman varies from person to person. Although there is no denying that women often has to wear the hats of many jobs in the household. Aaron Jeoffrey song “Some Kind of Lady,” talks about how wonderful and important a woman is.

3rd leg WTF???? lol

To quote the great Marilyn Monroe...
"If you can't handle the worst of me,
you don't deserve the best of me"

I now have the Kinks' "Lola" running through my head on infinite-repeat.

I am not a real woman either as I am none of the things but I really don't give a crap. I am a real person and that is all that matters; not what men think of me.

*cymbal clash*