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Topic: The death penalty and its flaws
Ras427's photo
Tue 04/30/13 11:39 AM
Edited by Ras427 on Tue 04/30/13 11:42 AM
By T.J. Starr. George J. Stinney Jr. a 14 year old Black boy who died as the youngest person ever executed in the US in the electric chair in the 20th century, would have been 83 years old. When 2 white girls, 11 year Betty June Binnicker and 8 year old Mary Emma Thames, went missing in Alcolu, S.C. on March 22, 1944, after riding into town on their bicylces, Stinney was arrested the following day for allegedly murdering them. The girls had allegedly passed Stinneys home, where they asked him where they could find a particular type of flower. Once the girls did not return home, hundreds of volunteers looked for them until their bodies were found the next morning in a ditch. Because Stinney joined the search team and shared with one of the volunteers that he had spoken to the girls before they disapperared, he was arrested for their murders. Without his parents, Stinney was interogated by several white officers for hours. A deputy eventualy emerged announcing that Stinney had confessed to the girls murder. The young boy alledgedly told the deputies that he wanted to have sex with the 11 year old girl, but had to kill the younger one to do it. When the 8 year old supposedly refused to leave, he allegedly killed both of them because they refused his sexual advances. There is no record of a confession, no physical evidence that he committed the crime exists. His trial-if you want to call it that, lasted less then two hours. No witnesses were called. No defence evidence was presented. And the all White jury deliberated for all of 10 minutes before sentencing him to death. On June 16, 1944, his frail, 5 foot 1, 95lb body was strapped in to an electric chair at a state correctional facility in Columbia, S.C.. Dictionaries had to be stacked on the seat of the chair so that he could properly sit in the seat. But even that did not help. When the first jolts of electricity hit him, the head mask reportedly slipped off, revealing the agony on his face, and the tears streaming down his cheek. Only after several more jolts of electricity did the boy died.

Ras427's photo
Tue 04/30/13 11:46 AM
Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history.

msharmony's photo
Tue 04/30/13 11:49 AM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 04/30/13 11:52 AM
very sad, I cant wrap my head around intentionally targeting and killing people this way,,,,,

especially children

HappyBun's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:07 PM
State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:09 PM

Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history.


whoa not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI...

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Tue 04/30/13 12:15 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 04/30/13 12:16 PM


Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history.


whoa not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI...


those kids were victims of their insane parents,, who were documented as the cause for the fire,,,,,,AFTER government lost four atf agents and still tried to negotiate for nearly 8 weeks,,,,,

I don't think NOI members or the child in the OP would have received THAT PATIENT a response,,,,

not the quite same level of 'miscarriage of justice' in my opinion,,,

same level of tragedy though

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:16 PM

State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised.


Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms.
Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state.

Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion.

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Tue 04/30/13 12:18 PM


Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history.


whoa not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI...


"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."...Joseph Stalin

Both that boy's execution and the Waco incident fill me with revulsion and disgust at a human condition that would allow either event to take place.
sick

mightymoe's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:22 PM



Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history.


whoa not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI...


those kids were victims of their insane parents,, who were documented as the cause for the fire,,,,,,AFTER government lost four atf agents and still tried to negotiate for nearly 8 weeks,,,,,

I don't think NOI members or the child in the OP would have received THAT PATIENT a response,,,,

not the quite same level of 'miscarriage of justice' in my opinion,,,

same level of tragedy though


those kids were victims of an overzealous government... just like the boy the op was talking about. in the first place, nobody knows who killed the girls, it could have been the kid. the whole story was biasaly told from the point of view that kid was innocent. we don't know if he was or wasn't... but the racial motivations were very different back then...

msharmony's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:25 PM


State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised.


Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms.
Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state.

Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion.



state murder is a contradiction like same difference

however, there is some substance to the idea since 'murder' laws can change over time

I have repeatedly heard the holocaust being described using the term murder, even though at that place and time it was not illegal,,,,

HappyBun's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:26 PM


State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised.


Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms.
Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state.

Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion.
It is state Murder when the murdered party is innocent. Many innocent people have been executted , that is why the death penalty was abolished in the UK for instance. If we call ourselves civilised we nmust find another way.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:27 PM



State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised.


Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms.
Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state.

Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion.



state murder is a contradiction like same difference

however, there is some substance to the idea since 'murder' laws can change over time

I have repeatedly heard the holocaust being described using the term murder, even though at that place and time it was not illegal,,,,



depends on the point of view...

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:27 PM



State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised.


Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms.
Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state.

Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion.



state murder is a contradiction like same difference

however, there is some substance to the idea since 'murder' laws can change over time

I have repeatedly heard the holocaust being described using the term murder, even though at that place and time it was not illegal,,,,
what was not ILLEGAL?

msharmony's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:27 PM




Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history.


whoa not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI...


those kids were victims of their insane parents,, who were documented as the cause for the fire,,,,,,AFTER government lost four atf agents and still tried to negotiate for nearly 8 weeks,,,,,

I don't think NOI members or the child in the OP would have received THAT PATIENT a response,,,,

not the quite same level of 'miscarriage of justice' in my opinion,,,

same level of tragedy though


those kids were victims of an overzealous government... just like the boy the op was talking about. in the first place, nobody knows who killed the girls, it could have been the kid. the whole story was biasaly told from the point of view that kid was innocent. we don't know if he was or wasn't... but the racial motivations were very different back


overthen...




overzealous? I think a decision that takes 8weeks can not by any reasonable standard be considered 'overzealous'

however a decision that takes 10 minutes,, perhaps might be,,,,

msharmony's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:29 PM




State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised.


Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms.
Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state.

Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion.



state murder is a contradiction like same difference

however, there is some substance to the idea since 'murder' laws can change over time

I have repeatedly heard the holocaust being described using the term murder, even though at that place and time it was not illegal,,,,
what was not ILLEGAL?



killing and working jews to death in hitlers Germany,,,,

mightymoe's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:31 PM



State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised.


Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms.
Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state.

Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion.
It is state Murder when the murdered party is innocent. Many innocent people have been executted , that is why the death penalty was abolished in the UK for instance. If we call ourselves civilised we nmust find another way.


name a time in history when "innocents" were not killed? history is full of injustices, most worse than ones before... burning witches, dragging people across the seas to use as slaves, children being kidnapped for use a sex slaves... IMO there should be more and faster executions...

mightymoe's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:33 PM





Just one of many well documented cases of the miscarriages of juctice, the above is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the American judicial systems history.


whoa not even close... i guess the 26 kids burned to death in waco by our government means nothing... but i guess bringing up racial issues from 70 years ago has it's meaning, it seems to follow the militant propaganda from your buddies at the NOI...


those kids were victims of their insane parents,, who were documented as the cause for the fire,,,,,,AFTER government lost four atf agents and still tried to negotiate for nearly 8 weeks,,,,,

I don't think NOI members or the child in the OP would have received THAT PATIENT a response,,,,

not the quite same level of 'miscarriage of justice' in my opinion,,,

same level of tragedy though


those kids were victims of an overzealous government... just like the boy the op was talking about. in the first place, nobody knows who killed the girls, it could have been the kid. the whole story was biasaly told from the point of view that kid was innocent. we don't know if he was or wasn't... but the racial motivations were very different back


overthen...




overzealous? I think a decision that takes 8weeks can not by any reasonable standard be considered 'overzealous'

however a decision that takes 10 minutes,, perhaps might be,,,,


10 minutes? ... huh

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:35 PM





State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised.


Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms.
Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state.

Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion.



state murder is a contradiction like same difference

however, there is some substance to the idea since 'murder' laws can change over time

I have repeatedly heard the holocaust being described using the term murder, even though at that place and time it was not illegal,,,,
what was not ILLEGAL?



killing and working jews to death in hitlers Germany,,,,
only because they were set outside the Law,along with Gypsies,Homosexuals and other Social Undesirables!
To do that to a Party-Approved German Arian was illegal!

msharmony's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:38 PM






State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised.


Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms.
Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state.

Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion.



state murder is a contradiction like same difference

however, there is some substance to the idea since 'murder' laws can change over time

I have repeatedly heard the holocaust being described using the term murder, even though at that place and time it was not illegal,,,,
what was not ILLEGAL?



killing and working jews to death in hitlers Germany,,,,
only because they were set outside the Law,along with Gypsies,Homosexuals and other Social Undesirables!
To do that to a Party-Approved German Arian was illegal!



in any case, what they did was not illegal at the time,,,because jews were not seen as equal citizens, the way slaves from Africa weren't,,, such action against 'unequals' was legal and therefore not technically murder

although civilized folks may consider it as much even back then,,,,

mightymoe's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:38 PM






State Murder is all it is. Nothing more nothing less. Should be abolished. It is uncivilised.


Uh, the expression "state murder" is a contradiction of terms.
Murder is the deliberate killing of a person that does not have the approval of the state.

Whether or not it is civilized to execute people guilty of first-degree murder is a matter of personal opinion.



state murder is a contradiction like same difference

however, there is some substance to the idea since 'murder' laws can change over time

I have repeatedly heard the holocaust being described using the term murder, even though at that place and time it was not illegal,,,,
what was not ILLEGAL?



killing and working jews to death in hitlers Germany,,,,
only because they were set outside the Law,along with Gypsies,Homosexuals and other Social Undesirables!
To do that to a Party-Approved German Arian was illegal!


you forgot the retards and cripples too... Hitler didn't have much use for them either...

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