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Topic: US driven by Nazi war machine
HappyBun's photo
Wed 05/15/13 09:19 AM
Edited by HappyBun on Wed 05/15/13 09:22 AM


If we want to understand why US-led wars of aggression, covert
and overt, are plaguing the planet, from Iraq, Afghanistan, to
Libya, Syria and Iran, we can gain much insight into today’s
problems by going back to events at the end of the Second World
War.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/11/302975/us-driven-by-nazi-war-machine/

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 05/15/13 10:08 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 05/15/13 10:13 AM



If we want to understand why US-led wars of aggression, covert
and overt, are plaguing the planet, from Iraq, Afghanistan, to
Libya, Syria and Iran, we can gain much insight into today’s
problems by going back to events at the end of the Second World
War.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/11/302975/us-driven-by-nazi-war-machine/
laugh laugh laugh
Yep,PressTV!:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Now you let the Cat out the Bag!rofl
Iran Government Channel!laugh :laughing: rofl

Approved by the Nazi-Imams!
CT at it's best!

HappyBun's photo
Wed 05/15/13 10:34 AM
Gehlen Organization
Gehlen Organization or Gehlen Org was an intelligence agency established in June 1946 by U.S. occupation authorities in the United States Zone of Germany, and consisted of former members of the 12th Department of the Army General Staff (Foreign Armies East, or FHO). It carries the name of Reinhard Gehlen.
Gehlen had all along been under the tutelage of US Army G-2 (intelligence), but he wished to establish and succeeded in establishing an association with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), in 1947. In alliance with the CIA, the military orientation of the organization turned increasingly toward political, economic and technical espionage against the Eastern bloc and the moniker "Pullach" became synonymous with secret service intrigues.[1]
The Org was for many years the only eyes and ears of the CIA on the ground in the Soviet Bloc nations during the Cold War. The CIA kept close tabs on the Gehlen group: the Org supplied the manpower while the CIA supplied the material needs for clandestine operations, including funding, cars and airplanes.
Every German POW returning from Soviet captivity to West Germany between 1947 and 1955 was interviewed by Org agents. Those returnees who were forced to work in Soviet industries and construction and were willing to participate, represented an incomparable source of information, a post-war, up-to-date picture of the Soviet empire as it evolved.[2]
The Org had close contacts with East European émigré organizations. Unheralded tasks, such as observations of the operation of Soviet rail systems, airfields and ports were as important as was infiltration in the Baltic and the Ukraine, using former Kriegsmarine E-boats from bases in Turkey.[3] Another mission by the Gehlen Organization was "Operation Rusty" that carried out counter-espionage activities directed against dissident German organizations in Europe.
The Org "Operation Bohemia" was a major counter-espionage success. By penetrating a Czechoslovak run operation, the Org uncovered another network – a spy ring run by the Yugoslav secret service in several cities in western Europe.[4] The Gehlen Organization was also successful in discovering a secret Soviet assassination unit functioning under the umbrella of SMERSH. An Org informant in Prague reported that the Red Army had been issued an advanced, multi-usage detonator of Czech design but was manufactured in a defense plant in Kharkov. The CIA showed interest. Several weeks later Org’s couriers presented the detonator, with complete technical data to the CIA liaison staff at Pullach. Just after, the Czech engineer and his family were smuggled across the frontier into West Germany and on to the United States.[5] By identifying people who suffered under the new communist regimes in eastern Europe, the Org recruited many agents who "wished nothing more than to drive the Bolsheviks from Europe."[6]
The Gehlen Organization was severely compromised by East German communist moles within the organization itself, and communists and their sympathizers within the CIA and the British MI6, particularly Harold "Kim" Philby. The WIN mission to Poland was a failure due to the compromising of the mission by counter-spies; as it turned out, the so-called Fifth Command of WiN organization within Poland had been created by the Soviet intelligence services.
The Gehlen Org employed hundreds of ex-Nazis. Gehlen initially rejected hiring ex-SS personnel, but later as justification for their recruiting he insinuated that the East German State Security Service had been largely run by ex-SS personnel, i.e., it takes one to catch the other.[7]
Once the Org emerged in minuscule steps from the shadows, Gehlen and his group were attacked relentlessly from both sides, the West and the East. The British in particular had a problem with Gehlen and segments of the English press made sure it became known. Beginning with an article on 17 March 1952, Sefton Delmer, senior correspondent for London’s Daily Express, dragged Gehlen into the news. On 10 August 1954, Delmer would set the tone by announcing that "Gehlen and his Nazis are coming." Delmer implied in his story that a continuation of nothing less than Hitler’s aims was at hand through this "monstrous underground power in Germany."[8] In more recent days, after reviewing selected declassified CIA documents on the Gehlen Org, a Guardian article vents, that "... for all the moral compromises involved [in hiring former Nazis], it was a complete failure in intelligence terms. The Nazis were terrible spies."[9] The communist East as well castigated Gehlen’s group as fanatical and virulent agents of revenge and of American imperialism.[10]
There was also Alois Brunner in Syria, alleged to be an Org operative, who was responsible for the Drancy internment camp near Paris, for the death of 140,000 Jews, and is believed to be still alive as of 2007;[11] the CIA turned a blind eye, and indeed actively participated in some cases, because of the exigencies of the Cold War. According to Robert Wolfe, historian at the US National Archives, "US Army intelligence accepted Reinhard Gehlen's offer to furnish alleged expertise on the Red Army – and was bilked by the many mass murderers he hired."[9]
On April 1, 1956, the Gehlen Org was formally established as the Bundesnachrichtendienst (or Federal Intelligence Agency) of the Federal Republic of Germany, which exists to this day. Reinhard Gehlen stepped down as president in 1968 after reaching retirement age.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 05/15/13 10:44 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 05/15/13 10:46 AM

Gehlen Organization
Gehlen Organization or Gehlen Org was an intelligence agency established in June 1946 by U.S. occupation authorities in the United States Zone of Germany, and consisted of former members of the 12th Department of the Army General Staff (Foreign Armies East, or FHO). It carries the name of Reinhard Gehlen.
Gehlen had all along been under the tutelage of US Army G-2 (intelligence), but he wished to establish and succeeded in establishing an association with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), in 1947. In alliance with the CIA, the military orientation of the organization turned increasingly toward political, economic and technical espionage against the Eastern bloc and the moniker "Pullach" became synonymous with secret service intrigues.[1]
The Org was for many years the only eyes and ears of the CIA on the ground in the Soviet Bloc nations during the Cold War. The CIA kept close tabs on the Gehlen group: the Org supplied the manpower while the CIA supplied the material needs for clandestine operations, including funding, cars and airplanes.
Every German POW returning from Soviet captivity to West Germany between 1947 and 1955 was interviewed by Org agents. Those returnees who were forced to work in Soviet industries and construction and were willing to participate, represented an incomparable source of information, a post-war, up-to-date picture of the Soviet empire as it evolved.[2]
The Org had close contacts with East European émigré organizations. Unheralded tasks, such as observations of the operation of Soviet rail systems, airfields and ports were as important as was infiltration in the Baltic and the Ukraine, using former Kriegsmarine E-boats from bases in Turkey.[3] Another mission by the Gehlen Organization was "Operation Rusty" that carried out counter-espionage activities directed against dissident German organizations in Europe.
The Org "Operation Bohemia" was a major counter-espionage success. By penetrating a Czechoslovak run operation, the Org uncovered another network – a spy ring run by the Yugoslav secret service in several cities in western Europe.[4] The Gehlen Organization was also successful in discovering a secret Soviet assassination unit functioning under the umbrella of SMERSH. An Org informant in Prague reported that the Red Army had been issued an advanced, multi-usage detonator of Czech design but was manufactured in a defense plant in Kharkov. The CIA showed interest. Several weeks later Org’s couriers presented the detonator, with complete technical data to the CIA liaison staff at Pullach. Just after, the Czech engineer and his family were smuggled across the frontier into West Germany and on to the United States.[5] By identifying people who suffered under the new communist regimes in eastern Europe, the Org recruited many agents who "wished nothing more than to drive the Bolsheviks from Europe."[6]
The Gehlen Organization was severely compromised by East German communist moles within the organization itself, and communists and their sympathizers within the CIA and the British MI6, particularly Harold "Kim" Philby. The WIN mission to Poland was a failure due to the compromising of the mission by counter-spies; as it turned out, the so-called Fifth Command of WiN organization within Poland had been created by the Soviet intelligence services.
The Gehlen Org employed hundreds of ex-Nazis. Gehlen initially rejected hiring ex-SS personnel, but later as justification for their recruiting he insinuated that the East German State Security Service had been largely run by ex-SS personnel, i.e., it takes one to catch the other.[7]
Once the Org emerged in minuscule steps from the shadows, Gehlen and his group were attacked relentlessly from both sides, the West and the East. The British in particular had a problem with Gehlen and segments of the English press made sure it became known. Beginning with an article on 17 March 1952, Sefton Delmer, senior correspondent for London’s Daily Express, dragged Gehlen into the news. On 10 August 1954, Delmer would set the tone by announcing that "Gehlen and his Nazis are coming." Delmer implied in his story that a continuation of nothing less than Hitler’s aims was at hand through this "monstrous underground power in Germany."[8] In more recent days, after reviewing selected declassified CIA documents on the Gehlen Org, a Guardian article vents, that "... for all the moral compromises involved [in hiring former Nazis], it was a complete failure in intelligence terms. The Nazis were terrible spies."[9] The communist East as well castigated Gehlen’s group as fanatical and virulent agents of revenge and of American imperialism.[10]
There was also Alois Brunner in Syria, alleged to be an Org operative, who was responsible for the Drancy internment camp near Paris, for the death of 140,000 Jews, and is believed to be still alive as of 2007;[11] the CIA turned a blind eye, and indeed actively participated in some cases, because of the exigencies of the Cold War. According to Robert Wolfe, historian at the US National Archives, "US Army intelligence accepted Reinhard Gehlen's offer to furnish alleged expertise on the Red Army – and was bilked by the many mass murderers he hired."[9]
On April 1, 1956, the Gehlen Org was formally established as the Bundesnachrichtendienst (or Federal Intelligence Agency) of the Federal Republic of Germany, which exists to this day. Reinhard Gehlen stepped down as president in 1968 after reaching retirement age.

laugh laugh laugh yes,we all know about Gehlen!
What does that have to do with the Garbage the Mullahs in Tehran threw out in that Dispatch on PressTV?

HappyBun's photo
Wed 05/15/13 11:00 AM
The thread is about the Nazi influence on Americas war machine post ww2.


Gehlen was a Nazi. But you knew that, right?

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 05/15/13 11:04 AM

The thread is about the Nazi influence on Americas war machine post ww2.


Gehlen was a Nazi. But you knew that, right?
nope,actually it is about some ASSertions by some Jerks in Iran,who are no better than the Nazis were!!

HappyBun's photo
Wed 05/15/13 12:11 PM
"Yes, we all know about Gehlen"

Do you mean we Europeans, you and I?

We are the only ones on this thread.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Wed 05/15/13 05:41 PM



If we want to understand why US-led wars of aggression, covert
and overt, are plaguing the planet, from Iraq, Afghanistan, to
Libya, Syria and Iran, we can gain much insight into today’s
problems by going back to events at the end of the Second World
War.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/11/302975/us-driven-by-nazi-war-machine/


slaphead

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/16/13 08:19 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 05/16/13 08:23 AM

"Yes, we all know about Gehlen"

Do you mean we Europeans, you and I?

We are the only ones on this thread.
How about Rick and Magnus Pym?

HappyBun's photo
Thu 05/16/13 09:13 AM


"Yes, we all know about Gehlen"

Do you mean we Europeans, you and I?

We are the only ones on this thread.
How about Rick and Magnus Pym?


What are their usernames?

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 05/16/13 04:12 PM



"Yes, we all know about Gehlen"

Do you mean we Europeans, you and I?

We are the only ones on this thread.
How about Rick and Magnus Pym?


What are their usernames?


slaphead

HappyBun's photo
Thu 05/16/13 04:21 PM




"Yes, we all know about Gehlen"

Do you mean we Europeans, you and I?

We are the only ones on this thread.
How about Rick and Magnus Pym?


What are their usernames?


slaphead


OMG. I don't believe you fell for that. You Sir have made my day.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 05/16/13 10:20 PM





"Yes, we all know about Gehlen"

Do you mean we Europeans, you and I?

We are the only ones on this thread.
How about Rick and Magnus Pym?


What are their usernames?


slaphead


OMG. I don't believe you fell for that. You Sir have made my day.


Well, judging by the quality of your threads, it wasn't much of a stretch.

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 05/17/13 12:26 AM



If we want to understand why US-led wars of aggression, covert
and overt, are plaguing the planet, from Iraq, Afghanistan, to
Libya, Syria and Iran, we can gain much insight into today’s
problems by going back to events at the end of the Second World
War.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/11/302975/us-driven-by-nazi-war-machine/
well,pretty hard to believe those Imams though!

no photo
Fri 05/17/13 01:21 AM
Edited by miticoman on Fri 05/17/13 01:22 AM
To op

Theocracy does not live the contemporary era,it is a kind of medieval times, this is undeniable.
Can l ask you a simple question?, would you go to live in the Middle Ages if..yes..why do not u go?

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Fri 05/17/13 04:35 AM
Former NAZI's and the various things done by NAZI's affect all parts of life. From security to medicine.

Gehlen Organization has become the modern German Federal Intelligence Service one of the best in the world.

German 'Medical Experiments' have led to many modern surgical techniques and treatment methods. Should we stop using all those as well?

War breeds new discoveries. It's how they are used that makes the difference.

Nobel was so horrified at how his discovery was used he took the money and created a prize to be given for efforts in peace making.

Winchester appalled by the numbers killed with his rifles made a house with a door for each victim. Many of these doors lead to nothing.

Modern genetics .... NAZI experiments.

Because the US used NAZI agents with the knowledge and connections to get the job done at the time ..... big deal.

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 05/17/13 05:53 AM



"Yes, we all know about Gehlen"

Do you mean we Europeans, you and I?

We are the only ones on this thread.
How about Rick and Magnus Pym?


What are their usernames?
Megerle_Mucky and Hilarios_Scharten-Meyer!

HappyBun's photo
Fri 05/17/13 05:58 AM
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"Yes, we all know about Gehlen"

Do you mean we Europeans, you and I?

We are the only ones on this thread.
How about Rick and Magnus Pym?


What are their usernames?


slaphead


OMG. I don't believe you fell for that. You Sir have made my day.


Well, judging by the quality of your threads, it wasn't much of a stretch.


Judging by the quality of your slaphead replies you are a major contributer to that quality.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Fri 05/17/13 02:06 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Fri 05/17/13 02:09 PM

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"Yes, we all know about Gehlen"

Do you mean we Europeans, you and I?

We are the only ones on this thread.
How about Rick and Magnus Pym?


What are their usernames?


slaphead


OMG. I don't believe you fell for that. You Sir have made my day.


Well, judging by the quality of your threads, it wasn't much of a stretch.


Judging by the quality of your slaphead replies you are a major contributer to that quality.


It's only a response to the naïve content displayed on this, and your other bigoted diatribes that masquerade as 'Current Affairs and Politics', there is no need to get so upset. Let's face it, your contention in the OP is rather tendentious and ill-informed to say the least.

drinker You could be more optimistic.

no photo
Fri 05/17/13 04:10 PM


O






"Yes, we all know about Gehlen"

Do you mean we Europeans, you and I?

We are the only ones on this thread.
How about Rick and Magnus Pym?


What are their usernames?


slaphead


OMG. I don't believe you fell for that. You Sir have made my day.


Well, judging by the quality of your threads, it wasn't much of a stretch.


Judging by the quality of your slaphead replies you are a major contributer to that quality.


It's only a response to the naïve content displayed on this, and your other bigoted diatribes that masquerade as 'Current Affairs and Politics', there is no need to get so upset. Let's face it, your contention in the OP is rather tendentious and ill-informed to say the least.

drinker You could be more optimistic.


Less optimistic might be a wiser choice:wink:


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