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Topic: Maternity or Eternity
willowdraga's photo
Tue 07/02/13 06:26 PM

But people are stupid.


Finally we agree on something JB wich the responses prove.

May I reminds the so called christians who have replied, that Paul said that if a man cannot provide for his family, he is worse then a nonbeliever.

I have the backing of scripture on this.

No one has any rights only responsibilities.

To disagree with child birth regulations in our current situation is mironic.

If you cannot provide for children you cannot have them.

Before having children you have to get a job and be prepared to support them.

It's logic, it's reason and anything else is perversed maddness"


So you waste your energy and anger on what others do or do not do that is against what you believe hoping to get validation from others for this judgement.

Can you provide these people with family planning education? Birth control? Are these areas where men feel superior to women and take sex whether a woman gives consent or not?

Be a help not a complainer, eh?

willowdraga's photo
Tue 07/02/13 06:28 PM

Do you guys know that there is a society that call themselves Vehement, its. members vow to not have any children, they see beyond there own selfish needs and look to depopulating the planet, so that it may survive. They believe that all of mankind should stop having children and let the human population dwindle, even die out. This proves that there are enlightened people on this planet. Once we destroy this planet we are all dead and no Alien civilization is going to rescue us at the last minute, only Christ if you obey him now. Atleast this Vehement society is able to see the big picture, identify the problem and are tryin to do something practical and very nobal. Of course the majority of mankind live with their heads up thier bums. Secular education is the biggest threat, which encourages sexual exploration. Like they say if you want to fix the legal system kill all the lawyers. So if its better education you want, kill all the teachers. Atleast the Vehement society is doing something nobal and honorable.


Not true. Atheists have less children. Also good for this society to help the planet last longer

willowdraga's photo
Tue 07/02/13 06:32 PM
I love it when youtube is passed off as some kind of reliable source of factual information... it gives me a good chuckle.

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/03/13 04:38 AM

I love it when youtube is passed off as some kind of reliable source of factual information... it gives me a good chuckle.


on this we agree, although there are the needle in a haystack videos which give accurate accounts of what someone has done or said on camera

it is so simple to edit and post just about any nonsense on youtube,,I know several teens who post there ,,,lol


no photo
Wed 07/03/13 11:31 AM

I love it when youtube is passed off as some kind of reliable source of factual information... it gives me a good chuckle.


Are you implying that Youtube itself is responsible for its content? If so, you have no idea what youtube is about.

You need to use right discrimination towards every individual who uses youtube to dispense information.

Youtube is for all kinds of sources and you cannot judge the messenger as non-reliable or reliable.

You look at the information and the poster, and use your own judgment.


no photo
Wed 07/03/13 11:34 AM


I love it when youtube is passed off as some kind of reliable source of factual information... it gives me a good chuckle.


on this we agree, although there are the needle in a haystack videos which give accurate accounts of what someone has done or said on camera

it is so simple to edit and post just about any nonsense on youtube,,I know several teens who post there ,,,lol




See the above.

The medium is not the author.
Youtube is not responsible for what people choose to distribute.

All information must be judged individually.

You could say the same thing about television, or the entire Internet.



slaphead

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/03/13 05:42 PM



I love it when youtube is passed off as some kind of reliable source of factual information... it gives me a good chuckle.


on this we agree, although there are the needle in a haystack videos which give accurate accounts of what someone has done or said on camera

it is so simple to edit and post just about any nonsense on youtube,,I know several teens who post there ,,,lol




See the above.

The medium is not the author.
Youtube is not responsible for what people choose to distribute.

All information must be judged individually.

You could say the same thing about television, or the entire Internet.



slaphead



I think I stated there are some videos which can accurately portray what someone else has said or done,, although many are edited to appear as something they arent,,,,


because of the nature of youtube posts to have no type of controls, editing, legal culpability of its accurateness. I dont generally consider it as viable a source as a NETWORK source with real legal culpability and real money to lose,,,,


so yeah, if something is on youtube by someone who can be identified who has some past of credibility,, thats great

but RANDOM YOUTUBE posts by anonymous folks or folks with no known history of actual CREDIBLE reporting,,,,not so much a source I take with more than a grain of salt,,,,



no photo
Wed 07/03/13 05:48 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 07/03/13 05:49 PM
One should never believe something solely because of the "source" or "medium" anyway.

But to imply or laugh at youtube as being an "unreliable source" is silly since anyone can post there and some are credible and some are not, and some are simply opinions pieces.

It is all INFORMATION to be analyzed. You should never pass judgement on the medium of the message. That is as silly as discounting a message because it is written on a brown paper bag rather than a nice stationary.

Its just silly.

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/03/13 05:52 PM
agreed

but it helps to site a youtube source with some identity and credibility and REFERENCES instead of some random video/message,,,,,by some random person,,,,

no photo
Wed 07/03/13 05:57 PM

agreed

but it helps to site a youtube source with some identity and credibility and REFERENCES instead of some random video/message,,,,,by some random person,,,,



Of course it is, but that was not the point.

The original statement I had issue with was this one from willowdraga

"I love it when youtube is passed off as some kind of reliable source of factual information... it gives me a good chuckle."

And then you agreed with that... but added that some youtube videos do have useful information.

The truth is, you can't site YOUTUBE as a "source" at all.

IT IS NOT A SOURCE IT IS A MEDIUM. frustrated





msharmony's photo
Wed 07/03/13 06:01 PM


agreed

but it helps to site a youtube source with some identity and credibility and REFERENCES instead of some random video/message,,,,,by some random person,,,,



Of course it is, but that was not the point.

The original statement I had issue with was this one from willowdraga

"I love it when youtube is passed off as some kind of reliable source of factual information... it gives me a good chuckle."

And then you agreed with that... but added that some youtube videos do have useful information.

The truth is, you can't site YOUTUBE as a "source" at all.

IT IS NOT A SOURCE IT IS A MEDIUM. frustrated








all the more reason to not try to pass it off as a 'source' of factual information,,,lol

its a medium for whatever information random folks want to post,, factual or not,,,

no photo
Wed 07/03/13 06:09 PM



agreed

but it helps to site a youtube source with some identity and credibility and REFERENCES instead of some random video/message,,,,,by some random person,,,,



Of course it is, but that was not the point.

The original statement I had issue with was this one from willowdraga

"I love it when youtube is passed off as some kind of reliable source of factual information... it gives me a good chuckle."

And then you agreed with that... but added that some youtube videos do have useful information.

The truth is, you can't site YOUTUBE as a "source" at all.

IT IS NOT A SOURCE IT IS A MEDIUM. frustrated








all the more reason to not try to pass it off as a 'source' of factual information,,,lol





No one is trying to pass Youtube off as a source of information. They are linking to a video.... AND the person who put the video there is the source.

Youtube is not the source. It is the medium.

its a medium for whatever information random folks want to post,, factual or not,,,


Now you get it. Youtube is a medium. IT IS NOT A SOURCE.

no photo
Wed 07/03/13 06:12 PM
Therefore to judge youtube as a reliable or unreliable 'source' is illogical and silly.

To state that it is not a good source for information not accurate.

To state that it is a reliable and truthful source is not accurate.

Because it is a medium, not a source.




William8's photo
Wed 07/03/13 07:25 PM
So you waste your energy and anger on what others do or do not do that is against what you believe hoping to get validation from others for this judgement.


The consequences of having children when they have no job, is validation.

You don't need to validate wisdom, it is justified by her children.

Children born into poverty are less likely to succeed, and are greatly disadvantaged, whereas children born in a rich family have every advantage.

There is no need for education when an application is needed to have children.

If there are certain lawful requirments to having children, like a steady job, then someone wanting a child will have to get a steady job first.

It's logical.

I do not have to validate my religious views, the crime, diseases and aimless persiuts that are the results of secularism, is validation enough for me. :tongue:

no photo
Wed 07/03/13 10:30 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 07/03/13 10:31 PM

So you waste your energy and anger on what others do or do not do that is against what you believe hoping to get validation from others for this judgement.


The consequences of having children when they have no job, is validation.

You don't need to validate wisdom, it is justified by her children.

Children born into poverty are less likely to succeed, and are greatly disadvantaged, whereas children born in a rich family have every advantage.

There is no need for education when an application is needed to have children.

If there are certain lawful requirments to having children, like a steady job, then someone wanting a child will have to get a steady job first.

It's logical.

I do not have to validate my religious views, the crime, diseases and aimless persiuts that are the results of secularism, is validation enough for me. :tongue:



I think the population problem is in God's hands.

It is not up to humans to forbid procreation. You would be talking about a brutal dictatorship that tried something like that.

If you want to solve the poverty problem find out what the FED did with the 9 trillion dollars that went missing.

laugh laugh

Help them find that and demand they distribute it to the poor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5zy7YkuMJ8

no photo
Wed 07/03/13 10:35 PM
I do not have to validate my religious views, the crime, diseases and aimless persiuts that are the results of secularism, is validation enough for me.


Its as if you are under the delusion that Christians don't get diseases, or commit crimes...

Your claim that crime and disease is the result of secularism is absurd and unsupported.

no photo
Wed 07/03/13 10:39 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 07/03/13 10:40 PM
Homicide convictions upheld for Wisconsin parents who treated dying daughter with prayer

A deeply religious Wisconsin couple who prayed over their dying daughter rather than seek medical help were properly convicted of homicide, the state Supreme Court decided Wednesday.

Kara Neumann, 11, of Weston, Wis., died March 23, 2008 — Easter Sunday — of complications of untreated juvenile onset diabetes.

According to the case records, Kara had been showing symptoms of exhaustion and dehydration for more than a week, but her parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, refused to take her to a pediatrician, and decided to respond to her illness with prayer, not medicine.

A pediatrician testified that Kara's disease was highly treatable and that her chances of survival were high until "well into the day of her death."


The Neumanns don't belong to any particular church, but they identify as Pentecostals, according to factual findings in the court record, none of which the Neumanns disputed. Some Pentecostals — but by no means all — believe that prayer and strong religious belief can cure all illnesses, a tradition that helped give rise to famous "faith healers" like Oral Roberts and Benny Hinn.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/03/19275007-homicide-convictions-upheld-for-wisconsin-parents-who-treated-dying-daughter-with-prayer?lite

msharmony's photo
Thu 07/04/13 12:25 AM
that's scary , that parents can be doubly suffered because their child dies of illness,,,


Conrad_73's photo
Thu 07/04/13 12:32 AM

So you waste your energy and anger on what others do or do not do that is against what you believe hoping to get validation from others for this judgement.


The consequences of having children when they have no job, is validation.

You don't need to validate wisdom, it is justified by her children.

Children born into poverty are less likely to succeed, and are greatly disadvantaged, whereas children born in a rich family have every advantage.

There is no need for education when an application is needed to have children.

If there are certain lawful requirments to having children, like a steady job, then someone wanting a child will have to get a steady job first.

It's logical.

I do not have to validate my religious views, the crime, diseases and aimless persiuts that are the results of secularism, is validation enough for me.
More unsupported Malarkey!
One look at the dark Ages would show you different!

msharmony's photo
Thu 07/04/13 12:36 AM
it would be nice if there was more enforcement for parents to take care of their children

regardless of their relation to each other,,,,

if they committed to each other, there could always be one working a few jobs if necessary knowing the children were in good hands with the other (And not paying an arm and a leg for caretakers instead)

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