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Happy Easter, Which is Not Named After Ishtar, Okay?
Department of Awful Facebook Memes My unfavorite new Facebook meme is this bit of sillyness which has apparently been spotted everywhere from the feeds of my college friends to (allegedly) that of Richard Dawkins' Foundation for Reason and Science: I immediately knew that this was a bit of nonsense for the simple reason that Easter is an English word. The Greeks and Romans called it Pascha, which is why Easter is Pasqua in Italian, Pascua in Spanish, and Paques in French. How exactly did the name of a Canaanite fertility goddess skip all the way to England from the Middle East without stopping in Rome or Byzantium? Belle Jar has more: Ishtar was the goddess of love, war and sex. These days she is particularly associated with sacred prostitution* (also known as temple prostitution), which, in the religions of the Ancient Near East, took on the form of every woman having to, at some point in her life, go to the temple of Ishtar and have sex with the first stranger who offered her money. Once a woman entered the temple of Ishtar for the purpose of sacred prostitution, she was not allowed to leave until she’d done the deed. I can’t imagine that sacred prostitution sex was ever very good sex, but hey, what do I know? Probably some people were pretty into it – I mean, if you can imagine it, someone’s made porn about it, right? Anyway, the point I am trying to make here is that, yes, Ishtar was associated with fertility and sex. However, her symbols were the lion, the gate and the eight-pointed star; I can’t find any evidence of eggs or rabbits symbolically belonging to her. And Easter has nothing to do with her. Most scholars believe that Easter gets its name from Eostre or Ostara, a Germanic pagan goddess. English and German are two of the very few languages that use some variation of the word Easter (or, in German, Ostern) as a name for this holiday. Most other European languages use one form or another of the Latin name for Easter, Pascha, which is derived from the Hebrew Pesach, meaning Passover. . . . But at its roots Easter (which is pronounced Ishtar) was all about celebrating fertility and sex. Look. Here’s the thing. Our Western Easter traditions incorporate a lot of elements from a bunch of different religious backgrounds. You can’t really say that it’s just about resurrection, or just about spring, or just about fertility and sex. You can’t pick one thread out of a tapestry and say, “Hey, now this particular strand is what this tapestry’s really about.” It doesn’t work that way; very few things in life do. The fact is that the Ancient Romans were smart when it came to conquering. In their pagan days, they would absorb gods and goddesses from every religion they encountered into their own pantheon; when the Roman Empire became Christian, the Roman Catholic Church continued to do the same thing, in a manner of speaking. And do you know why that worked so well? Because adaptability is a really, really good trait to have in terms of survival of the fittest (something I wish the present-day Catholic Church would remember). Scratch the surface of just about any Christian holiday, and you’ll find pagan elements, if not a downright pagan theme, underneath. Know what else? Most Christians know this. Or, at least, most of the Christians that I’m friends with (which is, admittedly, a fairly small sampling). They know that Jesus wasn’t really born on December 25th, and they know that there were never any actual snakes in Ireland, and they know that rabbits and eggs are fertility symbols. But they don’t care, because they realize that religions evolve and change and that that’s actually a good thing, not a bad thing. The fact that many Christian saints are just re-imagined pagan gods and goddesses doesn’t alter their faith one iota; because faith isn’t about reason or sense, it’s about belief. Look, go ahead and debate religion. Go ahead and tell Christians why what they believe is wrong. That’s totally fine and, in fact, I encourage it. A little debate and critical thinking are good for everyone. But do it intelligently. Get to know the Bible, so you actually know what you’re disagreeing with when you form an argument. Brush up on your theology so that you can explain why it’s so wrong. And have some compassion, for Christ’s sake – be polite and respectful when you enter into a debate, even when the person you’re debating with loses their cool. You want to prove that you’re better, more enlightened than Christians? Great, do it by remaining rational and level-headed in the face of someone who’s willing to stoop to personal attacks. To behave otherwise is to be just as bad as the people you’re debating. The general rule of infographics and similar fare is that the more deliciously it skewers people you don't respect very much, the more likely it is to be a fake. Always good to consider before you click that "share" button. |
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Happy Easter, Which is Not Named After Ishtar, Okay? Department of Awful Facebook Memes My unfavorite new Facebook meme is this bit of sillyness which has apparently been spotted everywhere from the feeds of my college friends to (allegedly) that of Richard Dawkins' Foundation for Reason and Science: I immediately knew that this was a bit of nonsense for the simple reason that Easter is an English word. The Greeks and Romans called it Pascha, which is why Easter is Pasqua in Italian, Pascua in Spanish, and Paques in French. How exactly did the name of a Canaanite fertility goddess skip all the way to England from the Middle East without stopping in Rome or Byzantium? Belle Jar has more: Ishtar was the goddess of love, war and sex. These days she is particularly associated with sacred prostitution* (also known as temple prostitution), which, in the religions of the Ancient Near East, took on the form of every woman having to, at some point in her life, go to the temple of Ishtar and have sex with the first stranger who offered her money. Once a woman entered the temple of Ishtar for the purpose of sacred prostitution, she was not allowed to leave until she’d done the deed. I can’t imagine that sacred prostitution sex was ever very good sex, but hey, what do I know? Probably some people were pretty into it – I mean, if you can imagine it, someone’s made porn about it, right? Anyway, the point I am trying to make here is that, yes, Ishtar was associated with fertility and sex. However, her symbols were the lion, the gate and the eight-pointed star; I can’t find any evidence of eggs or rabbits symbolically belonging to her. And Easter has nothing to do with her. Most scholars believe that Easter gets its name from Eostre or Ostara, a Germanic pagan goddess. English and German are two of the very few languages that use some variation of the word Easter (or, in German, Ostern) as a name for this holiday. Most other European languages use one form or another of the Latin name for Easter, Pascha, which is derived from the Hebrew Pesach, meaning Passover. . . . But at its roots Easter (which is pronounced Ishtar) was all about celebrating fertility and sex. Look. Here’s the thing. Our Western Easter traditions incorporate a lot of elements from a bunch of different religious backgrounds. You can’t really say that it’s just about resurrection, or just about spring, or just about fertility and sex. You can’t pick one thread out of a tapestry and say, “Hey, now this particular strand is what this tapestry’s really about.” It doesn’t work that way; very few things in life do. The fact is that the Ancient Romans were smart when it came to conquering. In their pagan days, they would absorb gods and goddesses from every religion they encountered into their own pantheon; when the Roman Empire became Christian, the Roman Catholic Church continued to do the same thing, in a manner of speaking. And do you know why that worked so well? Because adaptability is a really, really good trait to have in terms of survival of the fittest (something I wish the present-day Catholic Church would remember). Scratch the surface of just about any Christian holiday, and you’ll find pagan elements, if not a downright pagan theme, underneath. Know what else? Most Christians know this. Or, at least, most of the Christians that I’m friends with (which is, admittedly, a fairly small sampling). They know that Jesus wasn’t really born on December 25th, and they know that there were never any actual snakes in Ireland, and they know that rabbits and eggs are fertility symbols. But they don’t care, because they realize that religions evolve and change and that that’s actually a good thing, not a bad thing. The fact that many Christian saints are just re-imagined pagan gods and goddesses doesn’t alter their faith one iota; because faith isn’t about reason or sense, it’s about belief. Look, go ahead and debate religion. Go ahead and tell Christians why what they believe is wrong. That’s totally fine and, in fact, I encourage it. A little debate and critical thinking are good for everyone. But do it intelligently. Get to know the Bible, so you actually know what you’re disagreeing with when you form an argument. Brush up on your theology so that you can explain why it’s so wrong. And have some compassion, for Christ’s sake – be polite and respectful when you enter into a debate, even when the person you’re debating with loses their cool. You want to prove that you’re better, more enlightened than Christians? Great, do it by remaining rational and level-headed in the face of someone who’s willing to stoop to personal attacks. To behave otherwise is to be just as bad as the people you’re debating. The general rule of infographics and similar fare is that the more deliciously it skewers people you don't respect very much, the more likely it is to be a fake. Always good to consider before you click that "share" button. Depends on how you look at it my friend. Just as Jesus probably wasn't born in Dec, from multiple different examples. Don't recall them off the top of my head exactly, but sure they'll pop up in this discussion lol. But there is mention of shepherds, and shepherds in the fields with their flock ect. The date in itself is irrelevant. Wouldn't matter if we celebrated Christmas in the middle of July in 100 degree weather or like it is in December, in the winter. But it is celebrated in memory/celebration of Jesus' birth. And kept to one day to make it easier to congregate with family and makes plans, ect. At this time in question, Jesus' birth, they weren't so organized in such a way where there's birth certificates and so forth. There is absolutely no way to know 100% the day Jesus was born. But again is irrelevant for we do celebrate Christmas in honor and memory of Jesus' birth. Regardless if other beliefs/celebration are on that day is irrelevant. And yes the celebrations of say Easter. Again the exact day is irrelevant. There is absolutely NO idea to know the exact day Jesus resurrected. But nonetheless the celebration of Easter takes place in memory and showing thanks of. The Easter bunny, eggs, ect are just for the kids. Lightens the idea of the celebration for a child. Making it more "fun" rather then serious kind of celebration. |
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I immediately knew that this was a bit of nonsense for the simple reason that Easter is an English word. The Greeks and Romans called it Pascha, which is why Easter is Pasqua in Italian, Pascua in Spanish, and Paques in French. How exactly did the name of a Canaanite fertility goddess skip all the way to England from the Middle East without stopping in Rome or Byzantium?
pascha NT:3957 pascha (pas'-khah); of Aramaic origin [compare OT:6453]; the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it): KJV - Easter, Passover. (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright � 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) OT:6453 OT:6453 Pecach (peh'-sakh); from OT:6452; a pretermission, i.e. exemption; used only techically of the Jewish Passover (the festival or the victim): KJV - passover (offering). (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright � 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) in the NT Pacsha is translated 28 times as Passover and 1 time as Easter. King James. It is good to be the King. Same greek word. Yahshua did not say I am going to come back to eat the Bunny rabbit with us anew. or is that The Jack Rabbit that's Anew?  common I know u r smarter than that |
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Happy Easter, Which is Not Named After Ishtar, Okay? Department of Awful Facebook Memes My unfavorite new Facebook meme is this bit of sillyness which has apparently been spotted everywhere from the feeds of my college friends to (allegedly) that of Richard Dawkins' Foundation for Reason and Science: I immediately knew that this was a bit of nonsense for the simple reason that Easter is an English word. The Greeks and Romans called it Pascha, which is why Easter is Pasqua in Italian, Pascua in Spanish, and Paques in French. How exactly did the name of a Canaanite fertility goddess skip all the way to England from the Middle East without stopping in Rome or Byzantium? Belle Jar has more: Ishtar was the goddess of love, war and sex. These days she is particularly associated with sacred prostitution* (also known as temple prostitution), which, in the religions of the Ancient Near East, took on the form of every woman having to, at some point in her life, go to the temple of Ishtar and have sex with the first stranger who offered her money. Once a woman entered the temple of Ishtar for the purpose of sacred prostitution, she was not allowed to leave until she’d done the deed. I can’t imagine that sacred prostitution sex was ever very good sex, but hey, what do I know? Probably some people were pretty into it – I mean, if you can imagine it, someone’s made porn about it, right? Anyway, the point I am trying to make here is that, yes, Ishtar was associated with fertility and sex. However, her symbols were the lion, the gate and the eight-pointed star; I can’t find any evidence of eggs or rabbits symbolically belonging to her. And Easter has nothing to do with her. Most scholars believe that Easter gets its name from Eostre or Ostara, a Germanic pagan goddess. English and German are two of the very few languages that use some variation of the word Easter (or, in German, Ostern) as a name for this holiday. Most other European languages use one form or another of the Latin name for Easter, Pascha, which is derived from the Hebrew Pesach, meaning Passover. . . . But at its roots Easter (which is pronounced Ishtar) was all about celebrating fertility and sex. Look. Here’s the thing. Our Western Easter traditions incorporate a lot of elements from a bunch of different religious backgrounds. You can’t really say that it’s just about resurrection, or just about spring, or just about fertility and sex. You can’t pick one thread out of a tapestry and say, “Hey, now this particular strand is what this tapestry’s really about.” It doesn’t work that way; very few things in life do. The fact is that the Ancient Romans were smart when it came to conquering. In their pagan days, they would absorb gods and goddesses from every religion they encountered into their own pantheon; when the Roman Empire became Christian, the Roman Catholic Church continued to do the same thing, in a manner of speaking. And do you know why that worked so well? Because adaptability is a really, really good trait to have in terms of survival of the fittest (something I wish the present-day Catholic Church would remember). Scratch the surface of just about any Christian holiday, and you’ll find pagan elements, if not a downright pagan theme, underneath. Know what else? Most Christians know this. Or, at least, most of the Christians that I’m friends with (which is, admittedly, a fairly small sampling). They know that Jesus wasn’t really born on December 25th, and they know that there were never any actual snakes in Ireland, and they know that rabbits and eggs are fertility symbols. But they don’t care, because they realize that religions evolve and change and that that’s actually a good thing, not a bad thing. The fact that many Christian saints are just re-imagined pagan gods and goddesses doesn’t alter their faith one iota; because faith isn’t about reason or sense, it’s about belief. Look, go ahead and debate religion. Go ahead and tell Christians why what they believe is wrong. That’s totally fine and, in fact, I encourage it. A little debate and critical thinking are good for everyone. But do it intelligently. Get to know the Bible, so you actually know what you’re disagreeing with when you form an argument. Brush up on your theology so that you can explain why it’s so wrong. And have some compassion, for Christ’s sake – be polite and respectful when you enter into a debate, even when the person you’re debating with loses their cool. You want to prove that you’re better, more enlightened than Christians? Great, do it by remaining rational and level-headed in the face of someone who’s willing to stoop to personal attacks. To behave otherwise is to be just as bad as the people you’re debating. The general rule of infographics and similar fare is that the more deliciously it skewers people you don't respect very much, the more likely it is to be a fake. Always good to consider before you click that "share" button. Depends on how you look at it my friend. Just as Jesus probably wasn't born in Dec, from multiple different examples. Don't recall them off the top of my head exactly, but sure they'll pop up in this discussion lol. But there is mention of shepherds, and shepherds in the fields with their flock ect. The date in itself is irrelevant. Wouldn't matter if we celebrated Christmas in the middle of July in 100 degree weather or like it is in December, in the winter. But it is celebrated in memory/celebration of Jesus' birth. And kept to one day to make it easier to congregate with family and makes plans, ect. At this time in question, Jesus' birth, they weren't so organized in such a way where there's birth certificates and so forth. There is absolutely no way to know 100% the day Jesus was born. But again is irrelevant for we do celebrate Christmas in honor and memory of Jesus' birth. Regardless if other beliefs/celebration are on that day is irrelevant. And yes the celebrations of say Easter. Again the exact day is irrelevant. There is absolutely NO idea to know the exact day Jesus resurrected. But nonetheless the celebration of Easter takes place in memory and showing thanks of. The Easter bunny, eggs, ect are just for the kids. Lightens the idea of the celebration for a child. Making it more "fun" rather then serious kind of celebration. whats relevant is what the Bible says. Sunrise worship. Ezek 8:16 16 So He brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house; and there, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, and they were worshiping the sun toward the east. NKJV who is this? Prophecy. Gen 1:1 - Rev 19:5 After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, "Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God! 2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her." 3 Again they said, "Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!" 4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne, saying,"Amen! Alleluia!" 5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying,"Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!" NKJV The Elders fall down towards Yahweh not the east. where is Yahweh's Throne? Hint it is not towards the east which son do you worship the Sun or the Son? |
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Happy Easter, Which is Not Named After Ishtar, Okay? Department of Awful Facebook Memes My unfavorite new Facebook meme is this bit of sillyness which has apparently been spotted everywhere from the feeds of my college friends to (allegedly) that of Richard Dawkins' Foundation for Reason and Science: I immediately knew that this was a bit of nonsense for the simple reason that Easter is an English word. The Greeks and Romans called it Pascha, which is why Easter is Pasqua in Italian, Pascua in Spanish, and Paques in French. How exactly did the name of a Canaanite fertility goddess skip all the way to England from the Middle East without stopping in Rome or Byzantium? Belle Jar has more: Ishtar was the goddess of love, war and sex. These days she is particularly associated with sacred prostitution* (also known as temple prostitution), which, in the religions of the Ancient Near East, took on the form of every woman having to, at some point in her life, go to the temple of Ishtar and have sex with the first stranger who offered her money. Once a woman entered the temple of Ishtar for the purpose of sacred prostitution, she was not allowed to leave until she’d done the deed. I can’t imagine that sacred prostitution sex was ever very good sex, but hey, what do I know? Probably some people were pretty into it – I mean, if you can imagine it, someone’s made porn about it, right? Anyway, the point I am trying to make here is that, yes, Ishtar was associated with fertility and sex. However, her symbols were the lion, the gate and the eight-pointed star; I can’t find any evidence of eggs or rabbits symbolically belonging to her. And Easter has nothing to do with her. Most scholars believe that Easter gets its name from Eostre or Ostara, a Germanic pagan goddess. English and German are two of the very few languages that use some variation of the word Easter (or, in German, Ostern) as a name for this holiday. Most other European languages use one form or another of the Latin name for Easter, Pascha, which is derived from the Hebrew Pesach, meaning Passover. . . . But at its roots Easter (which is pronounced Ishtar) was all about celebrating fertility and sex. Look. Here’s the thing. Our Western Easter traditions incorporate a lot of elements from a bunch of different religious backgrounds. You can’t really say that it’s just about resurrection, or just about spring, or just about fertility and sex. You can’t pick one thread out of a tapestry and say, “Hey, now this particular strand is what this tapestry’s really about.” It doesn’t work that way; very few things in life do. The fact is that the Ancient Romans were smart when it came to conquering. In their pagan days, they would absorb gods and goddesses from every religion they encountered into their own pantheon; when the Roman Empire became Christian, the Roman Catholic Church continued to do the same thing, in a manner of speaking. And do you know why that worked so well? Because adaptability is a really, really good trait to have in terms of survival of the fittest (something I wish the present-day Catholic Church would remember). Scratch the surface of just about any Christian holiday, and you’ll find pagan elements, if not a downright pagan theme, underneath. Know what else? Most Christians know this. Or, at least, most of the Christians that I’m friends with (which is, admittedly, a fairly small sampling). They know that Jesus wasn’t really born on December 25th, and they know that there were never any actual snakes in Ireland, and they know that rabbits and eggs are fertility symbols. But they don’t care, because they realize that religions evolve and change and that that’s actually a good thing, not a bad thing. The fact that many Christian saints are just re-imagined pagan gods and goddesses doesn’t alter their faith one iota; because faith isn’t about reason or sense, it’s about belief. Look, go ahead and debate religion. Go ahead and tell Christians why what they believe is wrong. That’s totally fine and, in fact, I encourage it. A little debate and critical thinking are good for everyone. But do it intelligently. Get to know the Bible, so you actually know what you’re disagreeing with when you form an argument. Brush up on your theology so that you can explain why it’s so wrong. And have some compassion, for Christ’s sake – be polite and respectful when you enter into a debate, even when the person you’re debating with loses their cool. You want to prove that you’re better, more enlightened than Christians? Great, do it by remaining rational and level-headed in the face of someone who’s willing to stoop to personal attacks. To behave otherwise is to be just as bad as the people you’re debating. The general rule of infographics and similar fare is that the more deliciously it skewers people you don't respect very much, the more likely it is to be a fake. Always good to consider before you click that "share" button. Depends on how you look at it my friend. Just as Jesus probably wasn't born in Dec, from multiple different examples. Don't recall them off the top of my head exactly, but sure they'll pop up in this discussion lol. But there is mention of shepherds, and shepherds in the fields with their flock ect. The date in itself is irrelevant. Wouldn't matter if we celebrated Christmas in the middle of July in 100 degree weather or like it is in December, in the winter. But it is celebrated in memory/celebration of Jesus' birth. And kept to one day to make it easier to congregate with family and makes plans, ect. At this time in question, Jesus' birth, they weren't so organized in such a way where there's birth certificates and so forth. There is absolutely no way to know 100% the day Jesus was born. But again is irrelevant for we do celebrate Christmas in honor and memory of Jesus' birth. Regardless if other beliefs/celebration are on that day is irrelevant. And yes the celebrations of say Easter. Again the exact day is irrelevant. There is absolutely NO idea to know the exact day Jesus resurrected. But nonetheless the celebration of Easter takes place in memory and showing thanks of. The Easter bunny, eggs, ect are just for the kids. Lightens the idea of the celebration for a child. Making it more "fun" rather then serious kind of celebration. whats relevant is what the Bible says. Sunrise worship. Ezek 8:16 16 So He brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house; and there, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, and they were worshiping the sun toward the east. NKJV who is this? Prophecy. Gen 1:1 - Rev 19:5 After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, "Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God! 2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her." 3 Again they said, "Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!" 4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne, saying,"Amen! Alleluia!" 5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying,"Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!" NKJV The Elders fall down towards Yahweh not the east. where is Yahweh's Throne? Hint it is not towards the east which son do you worship the Sun or the Son? I worship the Son. But curious the choice of scripture here since there was no "Easter" in the time of Genesis and Rev has absolutely nothing to do with Easter. Please enlighten me/us with the connection between either verse(s) and Easter which is what the current discussion is about and what your quote is referring to. Nor does the Ezek verse have anything to do with Easter. So again I ask that you please show the connection. |
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Happy Easter, Which is Not Named After Ishtar, Okay? Department of Awful Facebook Memes My unfavorite new Facebook meme is this bit of sillyness which has apparently been spotted everywhere from the feeds of my college friends to (allegedly) that of Richard Dawkins' Foundation for Reason and Science: I immediately knew that this was a bit of nonsense for the simple reason that Easter is an English word. The Greeks and Romans called it Pascha, which is why Easter is Pasqua in Italian, Pascua in Spanish, and Paques in French. How exactly did the name of a Canaanite fertility goddess skip all the way to England from the Middle East without stopping in Rome or Byzantium? Belle Jar has more: Ishtar was the goddess of love, war and sex. These days she is particularly associated with sacred prostitution* (also known as temple prostitution), which, in the religions of the Ancient Near East, took on the form of every woman having to, at some point in her life, go to the temple of Ishtar and have sex with the first stranger who offered her money. Once a woman entered the temple of Ishtar for the purpose of sacred prostitution, she was not allowed to leave until she’d done the deed. I can’t imagine that sacred prostitution sex was ever very good sex, but hey, what do I know? Probably some people were pretty into it – I mean, if you can imagine it, someone’s made porn about it, right? Anyway, the point I am trying to make here is that, yes, Ishtar was associated with fertility and sex. However, her symbols were the lion, the gate and the eight-pointed star; I can’t find any evidence of eggs or rabbits symbolically belonging to her. And Easter has nothing to do with her. Most scholars believe that Easter gets its name from Eostre or Ostara, a Germanic pagan goddess. English and German are two of the very few languages that use some variation of the word Easter (or, in German, Ostern) as a name for this holiday. Most other European languages use one form or another of the Latin name for Easter, Pascha, which is derived from the Hebrew Pesach, meaning Passover. . . . But at its roots Easter (which is pronounced Ishtar) was all about celebrating fertility and sex. Look. Here’s the thing. Our Western Easter traditions incorporate a lot of elements from a bunch of different religious backgrounds. You can’t really say that it’s just about resurrection, or just about spring, or just about fertility and sex. You can’t pick one thread out of a tapestry and say, “Hey, now this particular strand is what this tapestry’s really about.” It doesn’t work that way; very few things in life do. The fact is that the Ancient Romans were smart when it came to conquering. In their pagan days, they would absorb gods and goddesses from every religion they encountered into their own pantheon; when the Roman Empire became Christian, the Roman Catholic Church continued to do the same thing, in a manner of speaking. And do you know why that worked so well? Because adaptability is a really, really good trait to have in terms of survival of the fittest (something I wish the present-day Catholic Church would remember). Scratch the surface of just about any Christian holiday, and you’ll find pagan elements, if not a downright pagan theme, underneath. Know what else? Most Christians know this. Or, at least, most of the Christians that I’m friends with (which is, admittedly, a fairly small sampling). They know that Jesus wasn’t really born on December 25th, and they know that there were never any actual snakes in Ireland, and they know that rabbits and eggs are fertility symbols. But they don’t care, because they realize that religions evolve and change and that that’s actually a good thing, not a bad thing. The fact that many Christian saints are just re-imagined pagan gods and goddesses doesn’t alter their faith one iota; because faith isn’t about reason or sense, it’s about belief. Look, go ahead and debate religion. Go ahead and tell Christians why what they believe is wrong. That’s totally fine and, in fact, I encourage it. A little debate and critical thinking are good for everyone. But do it intelligently. Get to know the Bible, so you actually know what you’re disagreeing with when you form an argument. Brush up on your theology so that you can explain why it’s so wrong. And have some compassion, for Christ’s sake – be polite and respectful when you enter into a debate, even when the person you’re debating with loses their cool. You want to prove that you’re better, more enlightened than Christians? Great, do it by remaining rational and level-headed in the face of someone who’s willing to stoop to personal attacks. To behave otherwise is to be just as bad as the people you’re debating. The general rule of infographics and similar fare is that the more deliciously it skewers people you don't respect very much, the more likely it is to be a fake. Always good to consider before you click that "share" button. Depends on how you look at it my friend. Just as Jesus probably wasn't born in Dec, from multiple different examples. Don't recall them off the top of my head exactly, but sure they'll pop up in this discussion lol. But there is mention of shepherds, and shepherds in the fields with their flock ect. The date in itself is irrelevant. Wouldn't matter if we celebrated Christmas in the middle of July in 100 degree weather or like it is in December, in the winter. But it is celebrated in memory/celebration of Jesus' birth. And kept to one day to make it easier to congregate with family and makes plans, ect. At this time in question, Jesus' birth, they weren't so organized in such a way where there's birth certificates and so forth. There is absolutely no way to know 100% the day Jesus was born. But again is irrelevant for we do celebrate Christmas in honor and memory of Jesus' birth. Regardless if other beliefs/celebration are on that day is irrelevant. And yes the celebrations of say Easter. Again the exact day is irrelevant. There is absolutely NO idea to know the exact day Jesus resurrected. But nonetheless the celebration of Easter takes place in memory and showing thanks of. The Easter bunny, eggs, ect are just for the kids. Lightens the idea of the celebration for a child. Making it more "fun" rather then serious kind of celebration. whats relevant is what the Bible says. Sunrise worship. Ezek 8:16 16 So He brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house; and there, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, and they were worshiping the sun toward the east. NKJV who is this? Prophecy. Gen 1:1 - Rev 19:5 After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, "Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God! 2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her." 3 Again they said, "Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!" 4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne, saying,"Amen! Alleluia!" 5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying,"Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!" NKJV The Elders fall down towards Yahweh not the east. where is Yahweh's Throne? Hint it is not towards the east which son do you worship the Sun or the Son? I worship the Son. But curious the choice of scripture here since there was no "Easter" in the time of Genesis and Rev has absolutely nothing to do with Easter. Please enlighten me/us with the connection between either verse(s) and Easter which is what the current discussion is about and what your quote is referring to. Nor does the Ezek verse have anything to do with Easter. So again I ask that you please show the connection. u will not listen. I always show proof if u will listen. but u do not understand because u choose death over life. u choose tradition over the commandments of Yahweh. U r as most a stiffnecked people who will suffer as Babylon will suffer. come out of her my people or suffer in her sins. u choose Baal over Elohim. EliYah is alive and well in the hearts of Desire for Yahweh |
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Happy Easter, Which is Not Named After Ishtar, Okay? Department of Awful Facebook Memes My unfavorite new Facebook meme is this bit of sillyness which has apparently been spotted everywhere from the feeds of my college friends to (allegedly) that of Richard Dawkins' Foundation for Reason and Science: I immediately knew that this was a bit of nonsense for the simple reason that Easter is an English word. The Greeks and Romans called it Pascha, which is why Easter is Pasqua in Italian, Pascua in Spanish, and Paques in French. How exactly did the name of a Canaanite fertility goddess skip all the way to England from the Middle East without stopping in Rome or Byzantium? Belle Jar has more: Ishtar was the goddess of love, war and sex. These days she is particularly associated with sacred prostitution* (also known as temple prostitution), which, in the religions of the Ancient Near East, took on the form of every woman having to, at some point in her life, go to the temple of Ishtar and have sex with the first stranger who offered her money. Once a woman entered the temple of Ishtar for the purpose of sacred prostitution, she was not allowed to leave until she’d done the deed. I can’t imagine that sacred prostitution sex was ever very good sex, but hey, what do I know? Probably some people were pretty into it – I mean, if you can imagine it, someone’s made porn about it, right? Anyway, the point I am trying to make here is that, yes, Ishtar was associated with fertility and sex. However, her symbols were the lion, the gate and the eight-pointed star; I can’t find any evidence of eggs or rabbits symbolically belonging to her. And Easter has nothing to do with her. Most scholars believe that Easter gets its name from Eostre or Ostara, a Germanic pagan goddess. English and German are two of the very few languages that use some variation of the word Easter (or, in German, Ostern) as a name for this holiday. Most other European languages use one form or another of the Latin name for Easter, Pascha, which is derived from the Hebrew Pesach, meaning Passover. . . . But at its roots Easter (which is pronounced Ishtar) was all about celebrating fertility and sex. Look. Here’s the thing. Our Western Easter traditions incorporate a lot of elements from a bunch of different religious backgrounds. You can’t really say that it’s just about resurrection, or just about spring, or just about fertility and sex. You can’t pick one thread out of a tapestry and say, “Hey, now this particular strand is what this tapestry’s really about.” It doesn’t work that way; very few things in life do. The fact is that the Ancient Romans were smart when it came to conquering. In their pagan days, they would absorb gods and goddesses from every religion they encountered into their own pantheon; when the Roman Empire became Christian, the Roman Catholic Church continued to do the same thing, in a manner of speaking. And do you know why that worked so well? Because adaptability is a really, really good trait to have in terms of survival of the fittest (something I wish the present-day Catholic Church would remember). Scratch the surface of just about any Christian holiday, and you’ll find pagan elements, if not a downright pagan theme, underneath. Know what else? Most Christians know this. Or, at least, most of the Christians that I’m friends with (which is, admittedly, a fairly small sampling). They know that Jesus wasn’t really born on December 25th, and they know that there were never any actual snakes in Ireland, and they know that rabbits and eggs are fertility symbols. But they don’t care, because they realize that religions evolve and change and that that’s actually a good thing, not a bad thing. The fact that many Christian saints are just re-imagined pagan gods and goddesses doesn’t alter their faith one iota; because faith isn’t about reason or sense, it’s about belief. Look, go ahead and debate religion. Go ahead and tell Christians why what they believe is wrong. That’s totally fine and, in fact, I encourage it. A little debate and critical thinking are good for everyone. But do it intelligently. Get to know the Bible, so you actually know what you’re disagreeing with when you form an argument. Brush up on your theology so that you can explain why it’s so wrong. And have some compassion, for Christ’s sake – be polite and respectful when you enter into a debate, even when the person you’re debating with loses their cool. You want to prove that you’re better, more enlightened than Christians? Great, do it by remaining rational and level-headed in the face of someone who’s willing to stoop to personal attacks. To behave otherwise is to be just as bad as the people you’re debating. The general rule of infographics and similar fare is that the more deliciously it skewers people you don't respect very much, the more likely it is to be a fake. Always good to consider before you click that "share" button. Depends on how you look at it my friend. Just as Jesus probably wasn't born in Dec, from multiple different examples. Don't recall them off the top of my head exactly, but sure they'll pop up in this discussion lol. But there is mention of shepherds, and shepherds in the fields with their flock ect. The date in itself is irrelevant. Wouldn't matter if we celebrated Christmas in the middle of July in 100 degree weather or like it is in December, in the winter. But it is celebrated in memory/celebration of Jesus' birth. And kept to one day to make it easier to congregate with family and makes plans, ect. At this time in question, Jesus' birth, they weren't so organized in such a way where there's birth certificates and so forth. There is absolutely no way to know 100% the day Jesus was born. But again is irrelevant for we do celebrate Christmas in honor and memory of Jesus' birth. Regardless if other beliefs/celebration are on that day is irrelevant. And yes the celebrations of say Easter. Again the exact day is irrelevant. There is absolutely NO idea to know the exact day Jesus resurrected. But nonetheless the celebration of Easter takes place in memory and showing thanks of. The Easter bunny, eggs, ect are just for the kids. Lightens the idea of the celebration for a child. Making it more "fun" rather then serious kind of celebration. whats relevant is what the Bible says. Sunrise worship. Ezek 8:16 16 So He brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house; and there, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, and they were worshiping the sun toward the east. NKJV who is this? Prophecy. Gen 1:1 - Rev 19:5 After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, "Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God! 2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her." 3 Again they said, "Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!" 4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne, saying,"Amen! Alleluia!" 5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying,"Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!" NKJV The Elders fall down towards Yahweh not the east. where is Yahweh's Throne? Hint it is not towards the east which son do you worship the Sun or the Son? I worship the Son. But curious the choice of scripture here since there was no "Easter" in the time of Genesis and Rev has absolutely nothing to do with Easter. Please enlighten me/us with the connection between either verse(s) and Easter which is what the current discussion is about and what your quote is referring to. Nor does the Ezek verse have anything to do with Easter. So again I ask that you please show the connection. u will not listen. I always show proof if u will listen. but u do not understand because u choose death over life. u choose tradition over the commandments of Yahweh. U r as most a stiffnecked people who will suffer as Babylon will suffer. come out of her my people or suffer in her sins. u choose Baal over Elohim. EliYah is alive and well in the hearts of Desire for Yahweh and this is your proof? Easter,the celebration of the return of Life in spring is as old as Humanity! Christianity just made good use of the Pagan Celebrations to imprint their Dogma on the People of Europe! Good way to get to rule a People,steal their Traditions and Identity,and replace them with your Dogma! Christianity and Islam been doing that successfully for Centuries now! BTW,Baal (Ba'al)simply means LORD,Master,Owner! Time for you all Dogma-makers to stop making up Stories to frighten little Children! It's getting stale! 
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Happy Easter, Which is Not Named After Ishtar, Okay? Department of Awful Facebook Memes My unfavorite new Facebook meme is this bit of sillyness which has apparently been spotted everywhere from the feeds of my college friends to (allegedly) that of Richard Dawkins' Foundation for Reason and Science: I immediately knew that this was a bit of nonsense for the simple reason that Easter is an English word. The Greeks and Romans called it Pascha, which is why Easter is Pasqua in Italian, Pascua in Spanish, and Paques in French. How exactly did the name of a Canaanite fertility goddess skip all the way to England from the Middle East without stopping in Rome or Byzantium? Belle Jar has more: Ishtar was the goddess of love, war and sex. These days she is particularly associated with sacred prostitution* (also known as temple prostitution), which, in the religions of the Ancient Near East, took on the form of every woman having to, at some point in her life, go to the temple of Ishtar and have sex with the first stranger who offered her money. Once a woman entered the temple of Ishtar for the purpose of sacred prostitution, she was not allowed to leave until she’d done the deed. I can’t imagine that sacred prostitution sex was ever very good sex, but hey, what do I know? Probably some people were pretty into it – I mean, if you can imagine it, someone’s made porn about it, right? Anyway, the point I am trying to make here is that, yes, Ishtar was associated with fertility and sex. However, her symbols were the lion, the gate and the eight-pointed star; I can’t find any evidence of eggs or rabbits symbolically belonging to her. And Easter has nothing to do with her. Most scholars believe that Easter gets its name from Eostre or Ostara, a Germanic pagan goddess. English and German are two of the very few languages that use some variation of the word Easter (or, in German, Ostern) as a name for this holiday. Most other European languages use one form or another of the Latin name for Easter, Pascha, which is derived from the Hebrew Pesach, meaning Passover. . . . But at its roots Easter (which is pronounced Ishtar) was all about celebrating fertility and sex. Look. Here’s the thing. Our Western Easter traditions incorporate a lot of elements from a bunch of different religious backgrounds. You can’t really say that it’s just about resurrection, or just about spring, or just about fertility and sex. You can’t pick one thread out of a tapestry and say, “Hey, now this particular strand is what this tapestry’s really about.” It doesn’t work that way; very few things in life do. The fact is that the Ancient Romans were smart when it came to conquering. In their pagan days, they would absorb gods and goddesses from every religion they encountered into their own pantheon; when the Roman Empire became Christian, the Roman Catholic Church continued to do the same thing, in a manner of speaking. And do you know why that worked so well? Because adaptability is a really, really good trait to have in terms of survival of the fittest (something I wish the present-day Catholic Church would remember). Scratch the surface of just about any Christian holiday, and you’ll find pagan elements, if not a downright pagan theme, underneath. Know what else? Most Christians know this. Or, at least, most of the Christians that I’m friends with (which is, admittedly, a fairly small sampling). They know that Jesus wasn’t really born on December 25th, and they know that there were never any actual snakes in Ireland, and they know that rabbits and eggs are fertility symbols. But they don’t care, because they realize that religions evolve and change and that that’s actually a good thing, not a bad thing. The fact that many Christian saints are just re-imagined pagan gods and goddesses doesn’t alter their faith one iota; because faith isn’t about reason or sense, it’s about belief. Look, go ahead and debate religion. Go ahead and tell Christians why what they believe is wrong. That’s totally fine and, in fact, I encourage it. A little debate and critical thinking are good for everyone. But do it intelligently. Get to know the Bible, so you actually know what you’re disagreeing with when you form an argument. Brush up on your theology so that you can explain why it’s so wrong. And have some compassion, for Christ’s sake – be polite and respectful when you enter into a debate, even when the person you’re debating with loses their cool. You want to prove that you’re better, more enlightened than Christians? Great, do it by remaining rational and level-headed in the face of someone who’s willing to stoop to personal attacks. To behave otherwise is to be just as bad as the people you’re debating. The general rule of infographics and similar fare is that the more deliciously it skewers people you don't respect very much, the more likely it is to be a fake. Always good to consider before you click that "share" button. Depends on how you look at it my friend. Just as Jesus probably wasn't born in Dec, from multiple different examples. Don't recall them off the top of my head exactly, but sure they'll pop up in this discussion lol. But there is mention of shepherds, and shepherds in the fields with their flock ect. The date in itself is irrelevant. Wouldn't matter if we celebrated Christmas in the middle of July in 100 degree weather or like it is in December, in the winter. But it is celebrated in memory/celebration of Jesus' birth. And kept to one day to make it easier to congregate with family and makes plans, ect. At this time in question, Jesus' birth, they weren't so organized in such a way where there's birth certificates and so forth. There is absolutely no way to know 100% the day Jesus was born. But again is irrelevant for we do celebrate Christmas in honor and memory of Jesus' birth. Regardless if other beliefs/celebration are on that day is irrelevant. And yes the celebrations of say Easter. Again the exact day is irrelevant. There is absolutely NO idea to know the exact day Jesus resurrected. But nonetheless the celebration of Easter takes place in memory and showing thanks of. The Easter bunny, eggs, ect are just for the kids. Lightens the idea of the celebration for a child. Making it more "fun" rather then serious kind of celebration. whats relevant is what the Bible says. Sunrise worship. Ezek 8:16 16 So He brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house; and there, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, and they were worshiping the sun toward the east. NKJV who is this? Prophecy. Gen 1:1 - Rev 19:5 After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, "Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God! 2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her." 3 Again they said, "Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!" 4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne, saying,"Amen! Alleluia!" 5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying,"Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!" NKJV The Elders fall down towards Yahweh not the east. where is Yahweh's Throne? Hint it is not towards the east which son do you worship the Sun or the Son? I worship the Son. But curious the choice of scripture here since there was no "Easter" in the time of Genesis and Rev has absolutely nothing to do with Easter. Please enlighten me/us with the connection between either verse(s) and Easter which is what the current discussion is about and what your quote is referring to. Nor does the Ezek verse have anything to do with Easter. So again I ask that you please show the connection. u will not listen. I always show proof if u will listen. but u do not understand because u choose death over life. u choose tradition over the commandments of Yahweh. U r as most a stiffnecked people who will suffer as Babylon will suffer. come out of her my people or suffer in her sins. u choose Baal over Elohim. EliYah is alive and well in the hearts of Desire for Yahweh and this is your proof? Easter,the celebration of the return of Life in spring is as old as Humanity! Christianity just made good use of the Pagan Celebrations to imprint their Dogma on the People of Europe! Good way to get to rule a People,steal their Traditions and Identity,and replace them with your Dogma! Christianity and Islam been doing that successfully for Centuries now! BTW,Baal (Ba'al)simply means LORD,Master,Owner! Time for you all Dogma-makers to stop making up Stories to frighten little Children! It's getting stale! Actually, point blank Easter is called the Pache or Pascha which literally means resurrection Sunday. So how exactly is it a "stolen" celebration and or a celebration for something other then Jesus' resurrection when the name in itself says just that? |
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Easter and Passover are two totally different things. Passover is Biblical and Easter is Pagan.
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Easter and Passover are two totally different things. Passover is Biblical and Easter is Pagan. They are two different celebrations. Passover - A holiday beginning on the 14th of Nisan and traditionally continuing for eight days, commemorating the exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt. And Easter is again the celebration of Jesus' resurrection, two totally different celebrations. |
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Can you find Easter anywhere in the King James bible? Some of the later translations have put it instead of the word Passover. Easter is a pagan holiday going back long before Christ.
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Can you find Easter anywhere in the King James bible? Some of the later translations have put it instead of the word Passover. Easter is a pagan holiday going back long before Christ. Well if they have replaced it with "passover" that would be incorrectly used, as again Easter and Passover are two totally different things. Passover is when the Jews finally were freed from slavery in ancient Egypt. Easter is the celebration of Jesus' resurrection. So of course it wouldn't necessarily be in the scriptures as it doesn't tell of what the people did in the world after Jesus' crucifixion that explicit. |
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Judah was only one tribe of Israel. The Israelites came out of Egypt. That was a physical event foreshadowing the death of Christ. Christ gave only the story of Jonah for a sign. He would be in the grave three days and three nights. He was crucified the day before a high day, (annual holy day) That was Wednesday afternoon. Wednesday sunset to Thursday, I day. Thursday to Friday 2 days. Friday to Saturday 3 days. He arose Saturday night, he was gone when Mary Magdalene came to the tomb sunday morning while it was still dark.
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Judah was only one tribe of Israel. The Israelites came out of Egypt. That was a physical event foreshadowing the death of Christ. Christ gave only the story of Jonah for a sign. He would be in the grave three days and three nights. He was crucified the day before a high day, (annual holy day) That was Wednesday afternoon. Wednesday sunset to Thursday, I day. Thursday to Friday 2 days. Friday to Saturday 3 days. He arose Saturday night, he was gone when Mary Magdalene came to the tomb sunday morning while it was still dark. Sunrise services are Pagan. Sunrise services are Pagan. Possibly true, never heard of sunrise services till now, especially in the context of what's being discussed. Never once have I nor known of anyone celebrating any "sun rise service" in connection to Easter, nor again ever hearing of sun rise services in the first place. |
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Google "sunrise services Easter sunday"
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Google "sunrise services Easter sunday" Sunrise services in general are not condoned by God in general, so therefore it couldn't possibly have anything to do with Easter. And plus, these "sunrise services" were before Jesus was crucified, so again has absolutely nothing to do with Easter. Now not disclaiming people do or don't do these "sunrise services". But nonetheless it is not permitted by God so again has absolutely nothing to do with Easter. Ezekiel 8:15-18 15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. 16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. 17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. 18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them. |
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Google "sunrise services Easter sunday" Sunrise services in general are not condoned by God in general, so therefore it couldn't possibly have anything to do with Easter. And plus, these "sunrise services" were before Jesus was crucified, so again has absolutely nothing to do with Easter. Now not disclaiming people do or don't do these "sunrise services". But nonetheless it is not permitted by God so again has absolutely nothing to do with Easter. Ezekiel 8:15-18 15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. 16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. 17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. 18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them. The sunrise services were in worship of Baal the sun god, again has nothing to do Jesus, Easter, or anything of such. |
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Google "sunrise services Easter sunday" glad see someone actually thinks for themselves. it is useless just as it was in Yahshua's day. They would not even believe him then or now. |
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