Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
QUOTE: Have a few questions for the 3 of you, Miles, Cowboy and Morning Song. What do you believe about Hell... concept and phrases, lake of fire, hades, grave, sheol. Did the meaning change as bibles were written? Speaking in Tongues - Yes or No and interpretation of it. Being Elect or not... Predestination. Did God Choose Us... or Do we need to choose God? Shalom What do you believe about Hell... concept and phrases, lake of fire, hades, grave, sheol. Did the meaning change as bibles were written Life eternal after death is a gift. Satan will not or does not have now or ever a Kingdom in the underworld. The fiery brimstone we see in artists was taken to a whole new level when Dante's play came out around 1400. Ministers latched on to this concept to scare converts to do as they say.. Death is like sleep.. we know nothing while in the grave and at the 2nd resserection you will either inherit life or total destruction mind and body in fire. Speaking in Tongues - Yes or No and interpretation of it All I have ever seen is a bunch of babble to get too emotions. The Biblical speaking in tongues was seen at Pentecost when everyone heard unlearned men speaking in thier own language. It was not the speaking that was the miracle it was the hearing someone speak your language who does not know it. but this happened to many languages at the same time. Yes its happened but I have not seen this. Interpretations is for prophecy. or possibly a word to the people. not like we see.. words of Yahweh being spoken and someone knows what those sayings mean to you ,others or a group of people.an unknown tongue i am not sure of.. Paul said he would take ten thousands words in a known tongue to 5 in a unknown tongue.. I wonder why he said this. Being Elect or not... Predestination. Many people were predestined. John, Jeremiah, Yahshua. Yahweh knows the end from the beginning. Some people are apperently predestined.. The 2 wirnesses in Rev. 11 seem to be predestined as they are seen in Zech. 4 and 5 as olive branches before the throne. Did God Choose Us... or Do we need to choose God? we choose Elohim even if predestined.. everyone can choose him. some have way more Zeal towards him than others.. Blessings..Miles |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
QUOTE: QUOTE: Cowboy, You are NOT yet born again. I have been very honest with you. Again...this is NOT a put down. And I am not gonna sit by, and let the enemy decieve you into thinking you are born again, when you are NOT. But I am trusting God to help you see.......so you WILL become born again, so you WILL be able to finally SEE and KNOW the TRUTH. I appreciate your gesture. But how can you say that? How can you make such a judgement? With what judgement you give, is judged back on you. So what does that say about your salvation? By no means am I saying you aren't saved, just making a statement, food for thought. Matthew 7 1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Thats a good point Cowboy. remember Yahweh says he will have mercy on whoever he decides to have mercy. Not from a relic catch phrase if no Trinity then no salvation for u.. How is that mercy? King David sure needed it |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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We are spiritual beings...
QUOTE: QUOTE: i i Believe you have been misinformed about Yahweh.
Yah is the Poetic form hence Family name like Yah shua. Yah points to existance. we see Yah in the Indian language and it is believed to be the easiests word to say in any language. we all worry about was our babies 1st words momma or daddy when most likely through science the medical comunity Yah is shown to be the most likely word you , your child anyone who has ever been born who was not mute was the Name/ sound Yah. Just as the scriptures contest to. The babes sing to my name. I believe Yah is a hebrew word/sound in the world of religion 1st found in the Torah not a pagan religion. It's thier we just through tradition just like when yahshua came can not understand it because tradition is what the religous elite want to keep because it gives them power. But who Yah is is still thier as the Breath of life You cannot be serious. "Yah" is one of the first sounds made by babies so that somehow lends weight to the ancient Hebrew sky daddy myths? Since virtually all babies make "Maa" and "Paa" sounds does that lend credence to the Himbala People's claims of the Great God Maalak? Or the Urushk culture and their Paalaa'm creator stories? NO! And not least of all because I just invented these people and their gods! Babies babble. Their nonsense does not reveal any great mysteries even if the sounds they make happen to coincide with established words - there are only so many sounds the human mouth can make; naturally similar sounds will appear again and again. I am pointing out that Yah the Poetic name of Yahweh is found throughout the world.. More than any other unless you can show me otherwise |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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Pagan Cross
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: The cross does not show up in the followers of Messiah untill around Constantine.. Before that it was what was used to kill thier Messiah.. No writer I have seen before constantine spoke of anyone wearing a cross.. That would be like wearing a Swasika in Jerusalem Getting back on topic: "The cross does not show up in the followers of Messiah untill around Constantine" Yet it shows up much earlier than the Judaic "Messaiah myths" as I have explained in earlier posts. The primitive Christ followers latched on to the Celtic Cross (using the massive coincidence of their "saviour" being crucified - as if "He" was the only human being in existence to ever be crucified; a common form of torture by the Romans) as a means to convert the "heathens" of Europe to their rapidly spreading new religion. It is a coincidence of form that the "crucified messiah" happens to bear resemblance to the ancient pagan symbol of the heavens. For a 21st century person to ignore this fact is beyond incredible; it is wilful ignorance. . I am not sure what happened as I am redoing my computer but this was about Easter being Condemned CowBoy............ This is a whole chapter of Eze.8.. I will leave it alone so you can see everywhere LORD is is from YHWH but is this past present or future? whats an abominal thing? Its talking about many things being done that r not HOLY>.. And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth [month], in the fifth [day] of the month, [as] I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me. Eze 8:2 Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber. Eze 8:3 And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where [was] the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy. Eze 8:4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel [was] there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain. Eze 8:5 ¶ Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry. Eze 8:6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? [even] the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations. Eze 8:7 ¶ And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall. Eze 8:8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door. Eze 8:9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here. Eze 8:10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about. Eze 8:11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up. Eze 8:12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth. Eze 8:13 ¶ He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. Eze 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which [was] toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Eze 8:15 ¶ Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations than these. Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, [were] about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east............ ( I say this is sunrise services with thier backs turned away from the Holy One.. ............ Eze 8:17 ¶ Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. Eze 8:18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, [yet] will I not hear them.
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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Pagan Cross
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: The cross does not show up in the followers of Messiah untill around Constantine.. Before that it was what was used to kill thier Messiah.. No writer I have seen before constantine spoke of anyone wearing a cross.. That would be like wearing a Swasika in Jerusalem Getting back on topic: "The cross does not show up in the followers of Messiah untill around Constantine" Yet it shows up much earlier than the Judaic "Messaiah myths" as I have explained in earlier posts. The primitive Christ followers latched on to the Celtic Cross (using the massive coincidence of their "saviour" being crucified - as if "He" was the only human being in existence to ever be crucified; a common form of torture by the Romans) as a means to convert the "heathens" of Europe to their rapidly spreading new religion. It is a coincidence of form that the "crucified messiah" happens to bear resemblance to the ancient pagan symbol of the heavens. For a 21st century person to ignore this fact is beyond incredible; it is wilful ignorance. The cross with a circle on top which many chr-stian denominations also show can be seen all over Eygpt. The cross was used centuries if not millinium before the Messiah as a religious relic In Eygpt . Pick up any book and u see it hung around what I would guess priests necks. Other religions ways are seen all through the chr-stian religion. Mithra who was said to be the son of Zoraster ( Zorasterism) was said to be reborn every year soon after the winter soltice. At the time of Constantine most Roman Soldiers had taken on this religion which was from persia. Modern day Iraq and Iran conbined. Thier are around I believe 5000 or so practising in America today with most being in Iran. Thier writings are the oldests found in the world. The Magi as seen who came to Judea within 2 years of the Messiah's birth were the priests of Mithra Chr-stmas was Mithra's B-day and it was on dec 25th. he was the conquering son and the conquering sun as daylight stopped getting shorter and another year was celebrated.funny how religions copy each other If county B has the same or similar laws and or government set up as County A, does that mean country B copied country A? Just because two things are similar, doesn't mean they stole any ideas or anything from the other. are you going to tell me that all the Holy days except Firstfruits which is pentecost are not Pagan? thats crazy.. Chr-stmas just look in a encyclopedia the same as easter.. easter is condemned as UNHOLY in the scriptures yet do you keep the rising of the sun services? |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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We are spiritual beings...
QUOTE: QUOTE: The truth is written. The truth is God's Word. Take It, or leave It But we all answer to It. Again, I ask: which is the TRUTH, Derekkye? The Jewish version? The Muslim version? Christian? - all these "truths" are derived from a common set of mystic "truths"; the ancient Hebrews plagiarised their "sacred" texts from pre-existing mythology. I put it to you that IF there were an Almighty Creatory of the Universe then He would have the foresight to reveal himself to ALL the peoples of the Earth in order to spare mankind from thousands of years of religious difference, war and genocide. WTF would a "benevolent God" sit back and watch the horrendous brutality we inflict upon our fellow man "in the name of the Lord"!!??! If I were this "Master of the Universe" I would certainly do a better job of watching over my flock than this "Yawheh" has supposedly done for the past few aeons. Are we to accept that "God" has no common sense (something he granted to his creation, yet he himself lacks?!)?! Yah is the Poetic form hence Family name like Yah shua. Yah points to existance. we see Yah in the Indian language and it is believed to be the easiests word to say in any language. we all worry about was our babies 1st words momma or daddy when most likely through science the medical comunity Yah is shown to be the most likely word you , your child anyone who has ever been born who was not mute was the Name/ sound Yah. Just as the scriptures contest to. The babes sing to my name. I believe Yah is a hebrew word/sound in the world of religion 1st found in the Torah not a pagan religion. It's thier we just through tradition just like when yahshua came can not understand it because tradition is what the religous elite want to keep because it gives them power. But who Yah is is still thier as the Breath of life |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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Pagan Cross
QUOTE: QUOTE: The cross does not show up in the followers of Messiah untill around Constantine.. Before that it was what was used to kill thier Messiah.. No writer I have seen before constantine spoke of anyone wearing a cross.. That would be like wearing a Swasika in Jerusalem Getting back on topic: "The cross does not show up in the followers of Messiah untill around Constantine" Yet it shows up much earlier than the Judaic "Messaiah myths" as I have explained in earlier posts. The primitive Christ followers latched on to the Celtic Cross (using the massive coincidence of their "saviour" being crucified - as if "He" was the only human being in existence to ever be crucified; a common form of torture by the Romans) as a means to convert the "heathens" of Europe to their rapidly spreading new religion. It is a coincidence of form that the "crucified messiah" happens to bear resemblance to the ancient pagan symbol of the heavens. For a 21st century person to ignore this fact is beyond incredible; it is wilful ignorance. The cross with a circle on top which many chr-stian denominations also show can be seen all over Eygpt. The cross was used centuries if not millinium before the Messiah as a religious relic In Eygpt . Pick up any book and u see it hung around what I would guess priests necks. Other religions ways are seen all through the chr-stian religion. Mithra who was said to be the son of Zoraster ( Zorasterism) was said to be reborn every year soon after the winter soltice. At the time of Constantine most Roman Soldiers had taken on this religion which was from persia. Modern day Iraq and Iran conbined. Thier are around I believe 5000 or so practising in America today with most being in Iran. Thier writings are the oldests found in the world. The Magi as seen who came to Judea within 2 years of the Messiah's birth were the priests of Mithra Chr-stmas was Mithra's B-day and it was on dec 25th. he was the conquering son and the conquering sun as daylight stopped getting shorter and another year was celebrated.funny how religions copy each other |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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Pagan Cross
QUOTE: QUOTE: The cross does not show up in the followers of Messiah untill around Constantine.. Before that it was what was used to kill thier Messiah.. No writer I have seen before constantine spoke of anyone wearing a cross.. That would be like wearing a Swasika in Jerusalem Getting back on topic: "The cross does not show up in the followers of Messiah untill around Constantine" Yet it shows up much earlier than the Judaic "Messaiah myths" as I have explained in earlier posts. The primitive Christ followers latched on to the Celtic Cross (using the massive coincidence of their "saviour" being crucified - as if "He" was the only human being in existence to ever be crucified; a common form of torture by the Romans) as a means to convert the "heathens" of Europe to their rapidly spreading new religion. Yes constantinwe was a pagan.. Probally of the Cult of Mithra. He converted after winning a great battle when he was greatly out numbered and he claimed as they went into battle he saw a cross in the air and under it it said. " by This sign conquer" Since then the cross has been used to kill millions of people as a sign of Conquest. It's sickening to me |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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Pagan Cross
QUOTE: QUOTE: "In spite of the overwhelming symbolism of the cross, the precise shape of the object on which Jesus was crucified cannot be proven explicitly from the Bible. The Greek word translated “cross” is stauros, meaning “a pole or a cross used as an instrument of capital punishment.” The Greek word stauroo, which is translated “crucify” means to be attached to a pole or cross. Though the Greek usage of these words can mean “pole” or “stake,” many scholars argue that Jesus most likely died on a cross in which the upright beam projected above the shorter crosspiece. Biblically, though, an airtight case cannot be made for either a cross or a pole/stake. The Romans were not picky in regards to how they would crucify people. The Romans used crosses, poles, stakes, upside-down crosses, x-shaped crosses, walls, roofs, etc. Jesus could have been crucified on any of these objects and it would not have affected the perfection or sufficiency of His sacrifice." Jesus was crucified on a cross. John 20:25 25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. If it would have been just a vertical poll there would not have been any prints of any nails in his hand. For it would have been no need to nail his hands to anything if it wasn't on a cross. What we have is scripture that was written for Constantine.. He definately corrupted it.. Not the OT but the new. It says Cursed is he who hangs on a tree not cross. We see also that they broke the thieves leggs for them to die fast before sundown. This is not possible for a fast death in the christian version of a cross.. breaking your leggs with your arms out would cause more suffering but not a fast death.. Thats a proven medical fact. They broke thier leggs for them to suffocate as they could not press up with thier leggs no more. The only way for this to be is for the hands to be nailed together straight above the head. when the leggs are broken your body wieght will cause you to gasp for air and die of suffocation fairly quickly. Yahshua was already dead as not a bone of his body was to be broken as in prophecy of the promiced messiah. He was hung as on a Tree just as the scriptures said he would be |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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Pagan Cross
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: And yes I do believe he was born a virgin, had 12 disciples, was betrayed, and was resurrected. That's cool, believe what you will. What I asked was: do you believe that these... "plot elements" (for want of a better phrase) were original and unique to the Christian stories? (ie: do you realise that these motifs were borrowed from earlier belief systems?) They were not lol. These are history, they happened. If you do not believe they happened, that is your own choice. But they were not "borrowed" they happened. It's not just a book where a couple bored people sat around and wrote. Of course most of it was borrowed. That is the basis for the Church claimed that the Devil knew this and therefore started Paganism prior to Jesus to confuse people. See your own faith teaches it. Only problem with that is the church didn't write the bible. The apostles did eg., the book of John, the book of Genesis, the book of James, ect. The church merely gathered the books together into one book we call the bible. But as in what words it possesses, was written not by the church, but by the apostles, which they received their knowledge from God. The cross does not show up in the followers of Messiah untill around Constantine.. Before that it was what was used to kill thier Messiah.. No writer I have seen before constantine spoke of anyone wearing a cross.. That would be like wearing a Swasika in Jerusalem |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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Do you believe that
QUOTE: Do you believe that When the Lord distributed livelihood No one satisfied with this 
but when When the distributed of the minds Every one was satisfied with what he got and He thinks he got the best mind in the world 
what do think ????? 
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
You know.. What is up with the world?
Billions of people who say they believe don't really care to know. Faith is a Lifestyle of lifestyles. Beauty upon beauty. Elohim is Alive. We worship him. Desires of the heart. We do not just say and go on. We Believe. Antient knowledge of Everything. People spend fortunes trying to figure out the History of Everything when they can hold it in thier hand. He's got the whole world in his hands. Brings a whole new meaning to the word Life. Not scientific in a word of mathmatical equations but a Branch from the Root of David spreading around the world in a sea of Glass sprouting new Life everywhere it goes. The Tree of life was at the beginning and we see it at the end of the book also. Metephorically absent in our lives. Yet we can learn and spread the blood of grapes smashing them between our toes or enjoying them as a Ceaser? A concept of the Spirit leads those who wish to find the words. A mass knowledge given in a time of great distress to counterfind the oppisite of polar negative reactions of an Atom? The sky is falling a fairy tale we do believe. Learn to live the life. The words will flow naturally.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles |
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Milesoftheusa
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WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
QUOTE: Cowboy wrote: QUOTE: Again then I ask why so many denominations? Why so many different interpretations? Does that mean only one group is a saved group and all other denominations are wrong? If so, what denomination is correct? And how do you know this denomination is correct over all others? Why would God choose one group to give the knowledge to but not to the others?
Been thru this ALSO before many times... ONCE MORE: I am speaking of ALL the denominations who AGREE on the BASIC FUNDAMENTNAL TRUTHS OF GOD'S WORD...AND THAT INCLUDES BELIEVING THAT THE FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT ARE ONE GOD..ONE ENTITY..ONE SUPREME BEING. HOWEVER.... there are some groups who just" call" themselves Christian.... but are not...since they do NOT believe in the DEITY of Jesus Christ ...NOR do they believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirt are ONE ENTITY. There is also a group who just believes in a Christ consciousness.....but that also is not a biblical teaching at all. Why LIE Morningsong? You don't want Biblical Teaching or discussion.. You never have. You want Morningsong PRAISE To BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet you don't understand what you read because you have to quote a web site all the time for your teachings.. Someone elses studies that you have no idea whats being spoke about.. Ypou found your own religion. Its the MSV Authorised Spirit, Tongue a Wagging, Mouth a Drueling Papas of Rome Confession of Faith |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
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WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: BORN AGAIN CHRSITIANS ARE NOT UNDER LEGALISTIC BONDAGE. BUT FUTHERMORE, BORN AGAN CHRISTIANS ALSO ARE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE PETTY RELIGIOUS NONSENSE....THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD'S WORD AT ALL...BUT HAS TO DO WITH RELIGIOUS SPIRITS OPERATING THRU A PERSON, AND MISINTERPRETING GOD'S WORD AND LEADING PEOPLE ASTAY ON HERE!!! WHEN YOU BECOME BORN AGAIN , MILES, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS: THAT GOD LOOKS UPON THE HEART AND IS NOT CONCERNED IF YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN ARAMAIC OR HEBREW OR ENGLISH OR WHATEVER LANGUAGE..BUT THAT YOU HAVE TRULY RECEIVED HIM INTO YOUR HEART. THAT IS WHAT TRULY MATTERS TO GOD...NOT THAT YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE !!! RELIGIOUS NONSENSE IS GONNA STOP ON HERE !!! You know MS you Don't have the Holy Spirit and I can prove it by your attitude. You dish it out but can not take it.. When u do not understand you claim the 5th.. which in your case is Ypou don't have the Holy Spirit but MS does. The only way someone can be born again is if they agree and listen to MORNINGSONG.. Are you JC? I think so.. Cowboy has never said such arragance as you ever on here. You can not read minds so stop telling everyone you are so RIGHTEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The first letter in the name Yeshua ("Jesus") is the yod. Yod represents the "Y" sound in Hebrew. Many names in the Bible that begin with yod are mispronounced by English speakers because the yod in these names was transliterated in English Bibles with the letter "J" rather than "Y". This came about because in early English the letter "J" was pronounced the way we pronounce "Y" today. All proper names in the Old Testament were transliterated into English according to their Hebrew pronunciation, but when English pronunciation shifted to what we know today, these transliterations were not altered. Thus, such Hebrew place names as ye-ru-sha-LA-yim, ye-ri-HO, and yar-DEN have become known to us as Jerusalem, Jericho, and Jordan; and Hebrew personal names such as yo-NA, yi-SHAI, and ye-SHU-a have become known to us as Jonah, Jesse, and Jesus. Ok cowboy. The KJV has been corrected in the last 50 years.. case in point.. How did they mess this up if it were not deliberate? Heb 4:8 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. KJV Heb 4:8 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. NKJV Joshua the son of NUn and Yahshua had the exact same name.. How did the KJV get this mixed up and what about everywhere else the name is used? Joshua in hebrew - יְהוֹשֻׁעַ Jesus in hebrew - ישוע Not the same. I agree.. But King James had 100 scholars who claimed they all translated the bible seperately into english and this is what supposedly makes the KJV the Authorised version because this could not of happened without the Holy Spirit guiding these 100 scholars. If we read the whole context of Hebrews Chapter 4 the one who is really being spoken of is Joshua the son of Nun.. How could the Holy Spirit of made such a mistake? or was this tradition? Heb 4:1-5:1 :1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. KJV QUOTE: the one who is really being spoken of is Joshua the son of Nun. How do you figure? look at what it says.. Heb 4:8-10 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. KJV 4:8 is a question. Its speaking of the sabbath. Did not the word give us rest on the 7th day? yet it says that JC did not give them rest.. Why? this now makes more since why he did not speak of another day. Heb 4:8-10 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. NKJV |
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Milesoftheusa
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Topic:
WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: BORN AGAIN CHRSITIANS ARE NOT UNDER LEGALISTIC BONDAGE. BUT FUTHERMORE, BORN AGAN CHRISTIANS ALSO ARE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE PETTY RELIGIOUS NONSENSE....THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD'S WORD AT ALL...BUT HAS TO DO WITH RELIGIOUS SPIRITS OPERATING THRU A PERSON, AND MISINTERPRETING GOD'S WORD AND LEADING PEOPLE ASTAY ON HERE!!! WHEN YOU BECOME BORN AGAIN , MILES, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS: THAT GOD LOOKS UPON THE HEART AND IS NOT CONCERNED IF YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN ARAMAIC OR HEBREW OR ENGLISH OR WHATEVER LANGUAGE..BUT THAT YOU HAVE TRULY RECEIVED HIM INTO YOUR HEART. THAT IS WHAT TRULY MATTERS TO GOD...NOT THAT YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE !!! RELIGIOUS NONSENSE IS GONNA STOP ON HERE !!! You know MS you Don't have the Holy Spirit and I can prove it by your attitude. You dish it out but can not take it.. When u do not understand you claim the 5th.. which in your case is Ypou don't have the Holy Spirit but MS does. The only way someone can be born again is if they agree and listen to MORNINGSONG.. Are you JC? I think so.. Cowboy has never said such arragance as you ever on here. You can not read minds so stop telling everyone you are so RIGHTEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The first letter in the name Yeshua ("Jesus") is the yod. Yod represents the "Y" sound in Hebrew. Many names in the Bible that begin with yod are mispronounced by English speakers because the yod in these names was transliterated in English Bibles with the letter "J" rather than "Y". This came about because in early English the letter "J" was pronounced the way we pronounce "Y" today. All proper names in the Old Testament were transliterated into English according to their Hebrew pronunciation, but when English pronunciation shifted to what we know today, these transliterations were not altered. Thus, such Hebrew place names as ye-ru-sha-LA-yim, ye-ri-HO, and yar-DEN have become known to us as Jerusalem, Jericho, and Jordan; and Hebrew personal names such as yo-NA, yi-SHAI, and ye-SHU-a have become known to us as Jonah, Jesse, and Jesus. Ok cowboy. The KJV has been corrected in the last 50 years.. case in point.. How did they mess this up if it were not deliberate? Heb 4:8 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. KJV Heb 4:8 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. NKJV Joshua the son of NUn and Yahshua had the exact same name.. How did the KJV get this mixed up and what about everywhere else the name is used? Joshua in hebrew - יְהוֹשֻׁעַ Jesus in hebrew - ישוע Not the same. I agree.. But King James had 100 scholars who claimed they all translated the bible seperately into english and this is what supposedly makes the KJV the Authorised version because this could not of happened without the Holy Spirit guiding these 100 scholars. If we read the whole context of Hebrews Chapter 4 the one who is really being spoken of is Joshua the son of Nun.. How could the Holy Spirit of made such a mistake? or was this tradition? Heb 4:1-5:1 :1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. KJV QUOTE: the one who is really being spoken of is Joshua the son of Nun. How do you figure? look at what it says.. Heb 4:8-10 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. KJV 4:8 is a question. Its speaking of the sabbath. Did not the word give us rest on the 7th day? yet it says that JC did not give them rest.. Why? |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
Topic:
WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: BORN AGAIN CHRSITIANS ARE NOT UNDER LEGALISTIC BONDAGE. BUT FUTHERMORE, BORN AGAN CHRISTIANS ALSO ARE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE PETTY RELIGIOUS NONSENSE....THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD'S WORD AT ALL...BUT HAS TO DO WITH RELIGIOUS SPIRITS OPERATING THRU A PERSON, AND MISINTERPRETING GOD'S WORD AND LEADING PEOPLE ASTAY ON HERE!!! WHEN YOU BECOME BORN AGAIN , MILES, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS: THAT GOD LOOKS UPON THE HEART AND IS NOT CONCERNED IF YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN ARAMAIC OR HEBREW OR ENGLISH OR WHATEVER LANGUAGE..BUT THAT YOU HAVE TRULY RECEIVED HIM INTO YOUR HEART. THAT IS WHAT TRULY MATTERS TO GOD...NOT THAT YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE !!! RELIGIOUS NONSENSE IS GONNA STOP ON HERE !!! You know MS you Don't have the Holy Spirit and I can prove it by your attitude. You dish it out but can not take it.. When u do not understand you claim the 5th.. which in your case is Ypou don't have the Holy Spirit but MS does. The only way someone can be born again is if they agree and listen to MORNINGSONG.. Are you JC? I think so.. Cowboy has never said such arragance as you ever on here. You can not read minds so stop telling everyone you are so RIGHTEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The first letter in the name Yeshua ("Jesus") is the yod. Yod represents the "Y" sound in Hebrew. Many names in the Bible that begin with yod are mispronounced by English speakers because the yod in these names was transliterated in English Bibles with the letter "J" rather than "Y". This came about because in early English the letter "J" was pronounced the way we pronounce "Y" today. All proper names in the Old Testament were transliterated into English according to their Hebrew pronunciation, but when English pronunciation shifted to what we know today, these transliterations were not altered. Thus, such Hebrew place names as ye-ru-sha-LA-yim, ye-ri-HO, and yar-DEN have become known to us as Jerusalem, Jericho, and Jordan; and Hebrew personal names such as yo-NA, yi-SHAI, and ye-SHU-a have become known to us as Jonah, Jesse, and Jesus. Ok cowboy. The KJV has been corrected in the last 50 years.. case in point.. How did they mess this up if it were not deliberate? Heb 4:8 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. KJV Heb 4:8 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. NKJV Joshua the son of NUn and Yahshua had the exact same name.. How did the KJV get this mixed up and what about everywhere else the name is used? Joshua in hebrew - יְהוֹשֻׁעַ Jesus in hebrew - ישוע Not the same. I agree.. But King James had 100 scholars who claimed they all translated the bible seperately into english and this is what supposedly makes the KJV the Authorised version because this could not of happened without the Holy Spirit guiding these 100 scholars. If we read the whole context of Hebrews Chapter 4 the one who is really being spoken of is Joshua the son of Nun.. How could the Holy Spirit of made such a mistake? or was this tradition? Heb 4:1-5:1 :1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. 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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
Topic:
WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: BORN AGAIN CHRSITIANS ARE NOT UNDER LEGALISTIC BONDAGE. BUT FUTHERMORE, BORN AGAN CHRISTIANS ALSO ARE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE PETTY RELIGIOUS NONSENSE....THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD'S WORD AT ALL...BUT HAS TO DO WITH RELIGIOUS SPIRITS OPERATING THRU A PERSON, AND MISINTERPRETING GOD'S WORD AND LEADING PEOPLE ASTAY ON HERE!!! WHEN YOU BECOME BORN AGAIN , MILES, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS: THAT GOD LOOKS UPON THE HEART AND IS NOT CONCERNED IF YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN ARAMAIC OR HEBREW OR ENGLISH OR WHATEVER LANGUAGE..BUT THAT YOU HAVE TRULY RECEIVED HIM INTO YOUR HEART. THAT IS WHAT TRULY MATTERS TO GOD...NOT THAT YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE !!! RELIGIOUS NONSENSE IS GONNA STOP ON HERE !!! You know MS you Don't have the Holy Spirit and I can prove it by your attitude. You dish it out but can not take it.. When u do not understand you claim the 5th.. which in your case is Ypou don't have the Holy Spirit but MS does. The only way someone can be born again is if they agree and listen to MORNINGSONG.. Are you JC? I think so.. Cowboy has never said such arragance as you ever on here. You can not read minds so stop telling everyone you are so RIGHTEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The first letter in the name Yeshua ("Jesus") is the yod. Yod represents the "Y" sound in Hebrew. Many names in the Bible that begin with yod are mispronounced by English speakers because the yod in these names was transliterated in English Bibles with the letter "J" rather than "Y". This came about because in early English the letter "J" was pronounced the way we pronounce "Y" today. All proper names in the Old Testament were transliterated into English according to their Hebrew pronunciation, but when English pronunciation shifted to what we know today, these transliterations were not altered. Thus, such Hebrew place names as ye-ru-sha-LA-yim, ye-ri-HO, and yar-DEN have become known to us as Jerusalem, Jericho, and Jordan; and Hebrew personal names such as yo-NA, yi-SHAI, and ye-SHU-a have become known to us as Jonah, Jesse, and Jesus. Ok cowboy. The KJV has been corrected in the last 50 years.. case in point.. How did they mess this up if it were not deliberate? Heb 4:8 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. KJV Heb 4:8 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. NKJV Joshua the son of NUn and Yahshua had the exact same name.. How did the KJV get this mixed up and what about everywhere else the name is used? |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
Topic:
WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
QUOTE: BORN AGAIN CHRSITIANS ARE NOT UNDER LEGALISTIC BONDAGE. BUT FUTHERMORE, BORN AGAN CHRISTIANS ALSO ARE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE PETTY RELIGIOUS NONSENSE....THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD'S WORD AT ALL...BUT HAS TO DO WITH RELIGIOUS SPIRITS OPERATING THRU A PERSON, AND MISINTERPRETING GOD'S WORD AND LEADING PEOPLE ASTAY ON HERE!!! WHEN YOU BECOME BORN AGAIN , MILES, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS: THAT GOD LOOKS UPON THE HEART AND IS NOT CONCERNED IF YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN ARAMAIC OR HEBREW OR ENGLISH OR WHATEVER LANGUAGE..BUT THAT YOU HAVE TRULY RECEIVED HIM INTO YOUR HEART. THAT IS WHAT TRULY MATTERS TO GOD...NOT THAT YOU SAY HIS SON'S NAME IN A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE !!! RELIGIOUS NONSENSE IS GONNA STOP ON HERE !!! You know MS you Don't have the Holy Spirit and I can prove it by your attitude. You dish it out but can not take it.. When u do not understand you claim the 5th.. which in your case is Ypou don't have the Holy Spirit but MS does. The only way someone can be born again is if they agree and listen to MORNINGSONG.. Are you JC? I think so.. Cowboy has never said such arragance as you ever on here. You can not read minds so stop telling everyone you are so RIGHTEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
Topic:
WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE JESUS'S NAME!!!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE GOD'S LAW !!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM GOD'S WORD !!! NOT GONNA ARGUE LEGALISTIC RELIGIOUS NONSENSE ON HERE WITH YOU, MILES. Then you admitt You are not BORN AGAIN.. I would get on my knees and Pray for Forgiveness before its too late Again weather it's pronounce Yahshua or Jesus, it is the SAME NAME pronounced two ways in two languages. Your name would not be different in Spanish, french, Japanese, or any other language. It would be spelt differently and pronounced differently, but still would remain the same name. It wpuld not be pronounced differently.. J-sus is spelled the same in Spanish but pronounced Hey Zeus not the same. why do you hate Yahshua's given name? |
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Milesoftheusa
Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 4341 |
Topic:
WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
QUOTE: BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE JESUS'S NAME!!!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CHANGE GOD'S LAW !!! BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM GOD'S WORD !!! NOT GONNA ARGUE LEGALISTIC RELIGIOUS NONSENSE ON HERE WITH YOU, MILES. Then you admitt You are not BORN AGAIN.. I would get on my knees and Pray for Forgiveness before its too late |