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Topic: Rise of the Right
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Sun 08/13/17 07:40 AM
Edited by Ɔʎɹɐx on Sun 08/13/17 07:50 AM
Following the unfortunate incident in Virginia, which is linked in a way or another to the whole global rising tension based on the rise of the right wingers (White nationalist right in the West and Islamic right in the East), the incident shows a struggle between Nationalist right wingers and Liberal left ones, but what lies between the lines could be something else, a Right-Right clash, while the left is caught in the middle trying to save the values of the modern societies (social justice, equality, freedom...)
Wasn't it wrong at the very beginning to satanize the left in the Western world instead of cooperating with it to keep the world balanced and to evade creating a gap that is being filled quickly with haters and fanatics?

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Sun 08/13/17 07:51 AM

Following the unfortunate incident in Virginia, which is linked in a way or another to the whole global rising tension based on the rise of the right wingers (White national right in the West and Islamic right in the East), the incident shows a struggle between National right wingers and Liberal left ones, but what lies between the lines could be something else, a Right-Right clash, while the left is caught in the middle trying to save the values of the modern societies (social justice, equality, freedom...)
Wasn't it wrong at the very beginning to satanize the left in the Western world instead of cooperation with it to keep the world balanced and to evade creating a gap that is being filled quickly with the haters and fanatics?

Seems a most of the haters are on the left now...all the rioting and looting done in the past 2 years has been party and Muslim supporters. I honestly feel that some of the right side wants to help, like trump. But lots on both sides have to many agendas going, so you could be right about an interfraction battle taking place...

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Sun 08/13/17 07:59 AM
We have the same problem here in the UK.
The left will do everything in there power to disrupt a right viewing government even if they agree they will disagree.
The lefties are governed basically by the unions hence you see an increase in striking and disruption in the public sector.

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Sun 08/13/17 08:00 AM
I agree that most of the left youth organizations take riots as the way to change, based on the revolutionary nature of the leftist ideology, but I was referring to the cooperation on higher levels (on the level of governments and parties) that can control the masses, it's too late to talk about it right now but the world could have been a better place with the presence of the "late" eastern leftist pact (if it could have become more democratic and less totalitarian) ... taken into consideration the ability to diffuse global crisis (like the Cuban missile crisis for example)

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Sun 08/13/17 08:04 AM
Right and left cooperation wouldn't work here. lefties are generally anti war, anti everything come to that, if they had a crisis we would be walked over every time.

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Sun 08/13/17 08:05 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 08/13/17 08:06 AM

Following the unfortunate incident in Virginia, which is linked in a way or another to the whole global rising tension based on the rise of the right wingers (White nationalist right in the West and Islamic right in the East), the incident shows a struggle between Nationalist right wingers and Liberal left ones, but what lies between the lines could be something else, a Right-Right clash, while the left is caught in the middle trying to save the values of the modern societies (social justice, equality, freedom...)
Wasn't it wrong at the very beginning to satanize the left in the Western world instead of cooperating with it to keep the world balanced and to evade creating a gap that is being filled quickly with haters and fanatics?


What I believe to be 'wrong' is the blanket labeling of groups of people with diverse interests and motivation, and then the label based demonization

it shuts down communication, which is what is needed to accomplish goals
but if the 'left' is demonmized , the interests of those individuals may get shut down and ignored by the 'right' and vice versa

it is wrong to 'satanize' any group, for the same reason of its impact on communication and progress,,,,no individual in any group is perfect


I am a firm believer in 'balance' and the world has been getting more and more off balance since it began,,,every generation , imho, just feels like its happening quicker than it did in previous generations,,

whene everyone does their own thing, and their is no 'common' anything because of the individual and absolute 'freedom' , then there is no balance, and we get closer and closer to that insane 'ideal' constantly, ,,rather on the 'right' or the 'left' with the attacks and villainization that interferes not with 'cooperation' but with communication,,,

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Sun 08/13/17 08:06 AM
The 'political horseshoe theory' is a good read.

It basically states that some on the left, go that far left, that they come around to the right, in a horshoe shape.

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Sun 08/13/17 08:10 AM

The 'political horseshoe theory' is a good read.

It basically states that some on the left, go that far left, that they come around to the right, in a horshoe shape.

I've often wondered that :thumbsup:

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Sun 08/13/17 08:18 AM
The left trying to save the values of the modern societies (social justice, equality, freedom...)? slaphead




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Sun 08/13/17 08:19 AM
right and left have both existed since the dawn of civilizations, but whenever one side rises above the other we have a crisis on a global level.
The rise of the radical right in the 1930s resulted in the WW2 and what followed after, then the left rose with the Soviet union and we had some sort of a balance during the next five decades, but after the dissolution of the USSR (which was fighting the Islamic right during the last years of its existence) the right rose again, feeding on the unlimited oil funds from the Gulf countries. The Islamic right started to expand and found many helpers and suppliers, either directly or indirectly by using this rising tide to achieve some plans(), that resulted in the awakening of the White nationalist right in the west which was triggered by the radical threats that aim to change the Western way of living (in Europe mainly, and after that in the USA as a result).

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Sun 08/13/17 08:22 AM

The left trying to save the values of the modern societies (social justice, equality, freedom...)? slaphead


that's why liberals, workers and low-income proletariat vote for left parties, or not?

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Sun 08/13/17 08:25 AM
Far right as in Germany was an extreme I think, I'm sure most right parties these days would never be that extreme.
Although with the fall of the East it didn't help there point. as in North Korea and with the extreme muslims, they need to preach fear to keep control.
On a whole, I'd say the modern right is pretty well balanced.

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Sun 08/13/17 08:27 AM


The left trying to save the values of the modern societies (social justice, equality, freedom...)? slaphead


that's why liberals, workers and low-income proletariat vote for left parties, or not?
in Britain I'd say the lower working class would be more leaning towards the left. but on false promises.

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Sun 08/13/17 08:28 AM
I have no exact idea on the situation in the USA regarding the left and right parties, as I feel that left doesn't politically exist... the view is clearer in Europe where leftist and even far leftist parties exist and even have seats in parliaments.

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Sun 08/13/17 08:29 AM


The left trying to save the values of the modern societies (social justice, equality, freedom...)? slaphead


that's why liberals, workers and low-income proletariat vote for left parties, or not?


they work together more than we know, a great example of that would be obarry's regime change with the promise of hope and change... nothing changed, everything was the exact same as when bush left office for about 6 years... the senate is the ones that need to be disbanded, they are the real power over here in the states... oh, BTW, did i mention they are seated for life unless voted out?

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Sun 08/13/17 08:38 AM
yep, well, that is the thing about the democratic republic, the people get to VOTE,,,

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Sun 08/13/17 08:38 AM
Edited by Ɔʎɹɐx on Sun 08/13/17 08:40 AM

Far right as in Germany was an extreme I think, I'm sure most right parties these days would never be that extreme.
Although with the fall of the East it didn't help there point. as in North Korea and with the extreme muslims, they need to preach fear to keep control.
On a whole, I'd say the modern right is pretty well balanced.

far right in Germany exists for sure, but is monitored by the government and prevented from participating in the political life, Germans don't want to repeat the unfortunate history of the Nazi era, yet right parties exist ( AFD) and are gonna win more seats in the Bundestag, right in other European countries is winning as well.
North Korea doesn't constitute real threat, everyone can tell that Kim Jong-un is just an actor, trying to gain more fame by making the news.
Extreme Muslims benefit from this situation by recruiting more terrorists.

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Sun 08/13/17 08:51 AM

yep, well, that is the thing about the democratic republic, the people get to VOTE,,,


they do in syria as well, but the democrats were trying to force Assad out... why is that?

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Sun 08/13/17 08:55 AM
Syria? Wth,,,,

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Sun 08/13/17 08:58 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 08/13/17 09:13 AM

right and left have both existed since the dawn of civilizations, but whenever one side rises above the other we have a crisis on a global level.
The rise of the radical right in the 1930s resulted in the WW2 and what followed after, then the left rose with the Soviet union and we had some sort of a balance during the next five decades, but after the dissolution of the USSR (which was fighting the Islamic right during the last years of its existence) the right rose again, feeding on the unlimited oil funds from the Gulf countries. The Islamic right started to expand and found many helpers and suppliers, either directly or indirectly by using this rising tide to achieve some plans(), that resulted in the awakening of the White nationalist right in the west which was triggered by the radical threats that aim to change the Western way of living (in Europe mainly, and after that in the USA as a result).

National Socialism was/Is about as Leftist as one can get!


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