Topic: Push for Hammer Control Legislation. Attack at School
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Fri 06/06/14 10:27 PM

2011 firearm deaths, 8583

2011 TOTAL blunt object deaths (hammers AND others) 496

2011 mass shootings 3

drunk driving and cell phone (distraction) laws have attempted to address two of the most common causes of traffic fatalities,,,,


Just what does FBI murder statistics have to do with this OP? There was not even a murder?

Where was the mass shooting? Are you commenting on the same post?

And where did drunk driving and cell phone have to do with anything?

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Fri 06/06/14 10:29 PM

The perpetrator was a Yemeni immigrant.huh


From some of the alternate sources, so was the little girl, both families seem to have arrived from Yemeni not too long ago. But the big question, why the sexual assault? She pulled the little girls pants down and proceeded with a tactical assault upon her sexual parts with that hammer.

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Fri 06/06/14 10:36 PM

You have to have a license and insurance and follow the laws to have and drive a car.

Gun crazies don't even want to do that much. But they are crazy about guns so how can we expect any logic from them.


Don't know what that has to do with this post, but no you don't need no stinking license, nor insurance and what laws, are you referring to the transportation statutes? Don't need to pay those no mind either.

And guns, all that one cares to own. I should have anything my little servant has, it fact the servant should have less, no more lethal weapon for the psychopaths.

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Fri 06/06/14 10:40 PM

you have to have a license, insurance, and follow laws to have and drive a car?

Really?

wow, that's news to me, cause around these parts we can pretty much do as we please... :tongue:


Yep, unless you are driving, like one of them taxis, buses or those trucks for hire.

Statism
The brilliant idea that we give a small group of people the right to kidnap, imprison, harass, steal from and kill people, so that we can be protected from people who kidnap, harass, steal and kill people.

A statist is an individual who erroneously believes that there is such a thing as "authority" vested in certain human beings magically giving them the "right to rule" over other people. This "authority" means that certain people who we call "government", have the "moral right" to issue commands to those whom they rule (those under their "jurisdiction"), and that their "subjects" (slaves) have a "moral obligation" to obey the arbitrary dictates set by their masters. Most simply put a statist is someone who believes in the legitimacy of slavery.

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Fri 06/06/14 10:47 PM


You have to have a license and insurance and follow the laws to have and drive a car.

Gun crazies don't even want to do that much. But they are crazy about guns so how can we expect any logic from them.


People in the USA have a right to bear arms, not a right to operate motor vehicles.


Licenses and permits are claims that a group of people who call themselves "government" have been given the "right" to prevent others from exercising specific behaviors (even if such behaviors causes no harm to others or their property), unless those others petition (beg) or pay the government for permission to be allowed to exercise these behaviors. This amounts to the claim that rights are merely "privileges" that may be granted or taken away by government, based upon their preference or discretion. Remembering that the definition of a right is "any action which does not cause harm to another living being or their property". There is no such thing as the "right" to stop someone from exercising a right, since rights cause no harm. The claim over the rights of another person is called slavery. Even more so it is the claim to be god, the claim that the rights of others flow from you. Therefore, licensing and permits are merely other euphemisms for slavery, regardless of the justifications made by those who claim such practices are "necessary for the common good". Since no individual anywhere on earth has the "right" to claim ownership of another person's rights, such behavior can never be "delegated" to a group and called "right". Therefore, all forms of licensing and permits are always wrong according to natural law.

Pretty awful claim, isn't it. One suffered by the statist that have a real moral relativism complex.


"The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule." - John Locke

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Fri 06/06/14 10:52 PM

i began to exercise my right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" the same day i was issued my learners permit...


That is a total misconception, that was the day you agreed to be a slave for some perceived benefit that was your right all along.

Licenses and permits are claims that a group of people who call themselves "government" have been given the "right" to prevent others from exercising specific behaviors (even if such behaviors causes no harm to others or their property), unless those others petition (beg) or pay the government for permission to be allowed to exercise these behaviors. This amounts to the claim that rights are merely "privileges" that may be granted or taken away by government, based upon their preference or discretion.

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Fri 06/06/14 11:31 PM
Woman gets life for killing husband with hammer

news.yahoo.com/woman-gets-life-killing-husband-hammer-212117477.html

hammers are getting a bad rap... smokin

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Sat 06/07/14 12:49 AM

moderates always involved in fighting with and for extremists

one extreme EVEYONE should own ANY AND EVERY POSSIBLE weapon they want without regulation

other extreme NOONE should own ANY weapon at all


moderate: guns should have common sense REGULATIONS to keep down the numbers of those too emotionally unstable or physically incapable of operating them safely to a minimum, and to keep down the EASE with which individuals can easily take out groups of people,,,,

yep,taken out especially in Gunfree Zones!
Thank You,Billy-Bob "Ceegar" Clinton!sick sick sick

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Sat 06/07/14 01:29 AM
taken out ESPECIALLY In gun loving America,,,

no evidence that the crazies research the zoning as many of them are PERSONAL In nature and many others are murder SUCICIDES who don't plan to come out alive,,,



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Sat 06/07/14 01:31 AM


2011 firearm deaths, 8583

2011 TOTAL blunt object deaths (hammers AND others) 496

2011 mass shootings 3

drunk driving and cell phone (distraction) laws have attempted to address two of the most common causes of traffic fatalities,,,,


Just what does FBI murder statistics have to do with this OP? There was not even a murder?

Where was the mass shooting? Are you commenting on the same post?

And where did drunk driving and cell phone have to do with anything?



reading the thread will answer the questions,,

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Sat 06/07/14 01:08 PM

moderates always involved in fighting with and for extremists

one extreme EVEYONE should own ANY AND EVERY POSSIBLE weapon they want without regulation

other extreme NOONE should own ANY weapon at all


moderate: guns should have common sense REGULATIONS to keep down the numbers of those too emotionally unstable or physically incapable of operating them safely to a minimum, and to keep down the EASE with which individuals can easily take out groups of people,,,,


A total contradiction, moderate means middle so how can one involved with extremists be considered moderate, only in the mind of those that refuse to gain the knowledge to determine right and wrong, a moral relativist.

And their are no extremes in gun ownership, only the statist that believe they are god and can somehow determine what the rights of another should be. Another credo of the moral relativist.

True freedom can never exist in a society that embraces "Moral Relativism" (the idea that there is no inherent and objective difference between right and wrong, so humanity may arbitrarily "create" or "decide" right and wrong for themselves).

The belief in the legitimacy of "authority" is the belief in the legitimacy of slavery. Ultimately, "authority" is the idea that man can become God and through "jurisdiction" dictate the law. This is an illusion of a diseased psyche, based entirely in violence and built upon the erroneous and dogmatic belief that some people are masters who have the moral right to issue commands, and others are slaves who have a moral obligation to obey the masters.

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Sat 06/07/14 01:15 PM

If a judge rules that a person is mentally incompetent to live independently, then I see why it would be sensible to restrict that person's access to fire arms. If a person is a danger to herself/himself, then that person probably shouldn't possess a fire-arm.


So you condone the action that a man, not just any man, but one that puts on a costume and assumes a position above all others, just to instill the proper attitude, somehow becomes a god and can deem what is to happen in the life of others.

Of course you do, Statism, the brilliant idea that we give a small group of people the right to kidnap, imprison, harass, steal from and kill people, so that we can be protected from people who kidnap, harass, steal and kill people.

A statist is an individual who erroneously believes that there is such a thing as "authority" vested in certain human beings magically giving them the "right to rule" over other people. This "authority" means that certain people who we call "government", have the "moral right" to issue commands to those whom they rule (those under their "jurisdiction"), and that their "subjects" (slaves) have a "moral obligation" to obey the arbitrary dictates set by their masters. Most simply put a statist is someone who believes in the legitimacy of slavery.

And to believe that once upon a time, the founders of this great country gave their lives so that this nation could be free, not the degenerate mass of slaves, the ignorant masses.


The liberties of our country are worth defending at all hazards. It is our duty to defend them against all attacks. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them be the artifices of designing men. - Samuel Adams




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Sat 06/07/14 01:24 PM

On planet Melmac it was "life, liberty and the pursuit of cats to eat".


I have suffered, therefore I shall cause suffering. Self-Loathing is the underlying psychological condition that causes people to attempt to abdicate their own personal responsibility to exercise conscience, and fall into patterns of order-following and justification. Just as it is not possible for an order-follower to truly be exercising conscience, it is not possible for an order-follower to truly love themselves.

Self-Loathing is created when on earlier trauma has been suppressed and buried into the subconscious mind, instead of being confronted, dealt with, and healed. Such trauma could take the form of feelings of inadequacy, whether real, suggested, or imagined.


Accept responsibility for yourself and your actions, thoughts and words. You alone make choices. You alone are answerable to the consequences of your behavior. The feeble excuse that your boss required it, the establishment expected it, holds no truth or justification - David Icke


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Sat 06/07/14 01:29 PM

Actually, medical mistakes kill more than TWICE as many people as automobile accidents. Check out: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

Got a good laugh from "Willing2's" comment about licensing hammers, but there has been a parody website up called "Moms Insisting on Licensed Tools" for ages, haha. It's no longer active, but is archived here: http://www.allmax.com/milt/

It is a well established fact that crime is inversely proportional to the percentage of responsible, well armed citizens in a population because we outnumber the "bad guys" a hundred to one at least. It is an inherent human right to be able to defend oneself as effectively as possible, and to me that usually means carrying a sidearm.


Human beings possess the natural right to defend themselves from violence with defensive physical force. A person who is accosted by violence possesses the right to stop the person who is conducting the violence from continuing to do harm to them, with any amount of force necessary to stop the attack, up to and including deadly force.

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Sat 06/07/14 01:41 PM



2011 firearm deaths, 8583

2011 TOTAL blunt object deaths (hammers AND others) 496

2011 mass shootings 3

drunk driving and cell phone (distraction) laws have attempted to address two of the most common causes of traffic fatalities,,,,


Just what does FBI murder statistics have to do with this OP? There was not even a murder?

Where was the mass shooting? Are you commenting on the same post?

And where did drunk driving and cell phone have to do with anything?



reading the thread will answer the questions,,


I did read the thread, right up to the point where it was hijacked by someone posting pure trash about murder statistics. There was no murder in the OP, seems to be a comprehension problem where someone wants have someone guilty of murder.

But of course, that is about normal, don't bother to read the article, don't check out anything that would answer the question posed by the OP but just sees something that you want to discuss and deflect the whole thread.

So perhaps when reading a thread, you should start with the OP, comprehend what it says and discuss that topic. If one want to discuss something else, start another thread.

That is the answer that should have been posted.

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Sat 06/07/14 02:26 PM


On planet Melmac it was "life, liberty and the pursuit of cats to eat".


I have suffered, therefore I shall cause suffering. Self-Loathing is the underlying psychological condition that causes people to attempt to abdicate their own personal responsibility to exercise conscience, and fall into patterns of order-following and justification. Just as it is not possible for an order-follower to truly be exercising conscience, it is not possible for an order-follower to truly love themselves.

Self-Loathing is created when on earlier trauma has been suppressed and buried into the subconscious mind, instead of being confronted, dealt with, and healed. Such trauma could take the form of feelings of inadequacy, whether real, suggested, or imagined.


Accept responsibility for yourself and your actions, thoughts and words. You alone make choices. You alone are answerable to the consequences of your behavior. The feeble excuse that your boss required it, the establishment expected it, holds no truth or justification - David Icke




huh You are quoting David Icke?




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Sat 06/07/14 03:27 PM



On planet Melmac it was "life, liberty and the pursuit of cats to eat".


I have suffered, therefore I shall cause suffering. Self-Loathing is the underlying psychological condition that causes people to attempt to abdicate their own personal responsibility to exercise conscience, and fall into patterns of order-following and justification. Just as it is not possible for an order-follower to truly be exercising conscience, it is not possible for an order-follower to truly love themselves.

Self-Loathing is created when on earlier trauma has been suppressed and buried into the subconscious mind, instead of being confronted, dealt with, and healed. Such trauma could take the form of feelings of inadequacy, whether real, suggested, or imagined.


Accept responsibility for yourself and your actions, thoughts and words. You alone make choices. You alone are answerable to the consequences of your behavior. The feeble excuse that your boss required it, the establishment expected it, holds no truth or justification - David Icke




huh You are quoting David Icke?



So you are saying you have no clue? But no I am not quoting David Icke, I used a quote that belongs to David Icke, a distinction that would be beyond your grasp or you would not have had to ask.

But then the question is trying to imply something much more elemental, the right of ignorance. Ignorance based on who rather than what, the ignorance based on moral relativism, that there is no inherent and objective difference between right and wrong, so if one does not like the author, they speak no words of truth, no that is just the acceptance of ignorance based on self-loathing. the lack of self-respect. That which causes one to hide from reality and to pretend to be what one is not to keep reality at bay, fear.

Fear is the contractive force for consciousness. Fear is the force which influences us to become closed to truth, and the force which ultimately shuts down our awareness.

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Sat 06/07/14 04:05 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 06/07/14 04:08 PM




2011 firearm deaths, 8583

2011 TOTAL blunt object deaths (hammers AND others) 496

2011 mass shootings 3

drunk driving and cell phone (distraction) laws have attempted to address two of the most common causes of traffic fatalities,,,,


Just what does FBI murder statistics have to do with this OP? There was not even a murder?

Where was the mass shooting? Are you commenting on the same post?

And where did drunk driving and cell phone have to do with anything?



reading the thread will answer the questions,,


I did read the thread, right up to the point where it was hijacked by someone posting pure trash about murder statistics. There was no murder in the OP, seems to be a comprehension problem where someone wants have someone guilty of murder.

But of course, that is about normal, don't bother to read the article, don't check out anything that would answer the question posed by the OP but just sees something that you want to discuss and deflect the whole thread.

So perhaps when reading a thread, you should start with the OP, comprehend what it says and discuss that topic. If one want to discuss something else, start another thread.

That is the answer that should have been posted.



hammers are being compared to guns in this thread, the need for regulation of one over the other

hammers are far less responsible for homicides and MASS homicides than guns in this country and are not built for the SPECIFIC purpose of taking life or injuring ,,,,but , yeah, who cares about any of that, it is totally irrelevant,,,

yes , I know statists are just authoritarians and authority is always wrong,, natural survival of the fittest is the only solution

free chaos over restricted humanity anyday,, got it,,,

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Sat 06/07/14 04:09 PM
If I was a stupid liberal, I'd rave, if you're not a licensed construction worker, why would you need a hammer.

Good thing the Hood Ho didn't have an auto fire hammer.


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Sat 06/07/14 04:15 PM
I have not heard or read of one person, liberal or otherwise, make such an insane statement about any TOOL.

people don't have to be licensed to need tools, anymore than they have to have a degree in accounting to prepare budgets,,,

its a silly comparison,, like when people say it wouldn't matter if someone were purple (who the hell is purple?,,lol) when trying to refute being racist or sexist or any other type of bigotry